1 hour ago, petemoss said:

Children playing at politics. Boris would fit in well with them.

on the contrary we would have done the same with adolph hitler and these bums deserve all they get ..unscrupulous scumbags

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The EU might think it's a country with it's own anthem, they need reminding, they are not.

Who needs a country with an own anthem when you can have a bloc of countries with an own anthem? 

quote from nigel farage ..today

 

Heard some say that Brexit MEPs were “disrespectful” today.

I’ll tell you what is disrespectful — taking the ancient nation states of Europe and turning it into one country with its own anthem and flag, without ever asking for permission!

 

13 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

quote from nigel farage ..today

 

Heard some say that Brexit MEPs were “disrespectful” today.

I’ll tell you what is disrespectful — taking the ancient nation states of Europe and turning it into one country with its own anthem and flag, without ever asking for permission!

 

Ok, he’s crazy now. 

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Here's one in colour taken today:

 

KMA ????

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Ok, he’s crazy now. 

Only as crazy as anyone else these days. 

19 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Who needs a country with an own anthem when you can have a bloc of countries with an own anthem? 

It would seem you do, just proves how we've been conned, you enjoy your USofEurope, I turn my back on Ode to Joy too. The Brexiteers anthem is 'Won't get Fooled Again'

8 hours ago, evadgib said:

Here's one in colour taken today:

 

The resemblance with 1933 is uncanny.

7 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Ok, he’s crazy now. 

Changed my mind. He's right.

1 hour ago, wilcopops said:

The resemblance with 1933 is uncanny.

I didn't know you were there!

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I didn't know you were there!

Don't you remember? He was stood right behind you at the Nuremberg Rally. 

Just now, petemoss said:

Don't you remember? He was stood right behind you at the Nuremberg Rally. 

The only time I near there was at was Zeppelinfeld in 1979, with The Who headlining. Didn't see Pops there.

9 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Who needs a country with an own anthem when you can have a bloc of countries with an own anthem? 

I don't know - why don't we go back to the late 80s and ask the USSR? ????

12 hours ago, evadgib said:

Here's one in colour taken today:

 

If the Brexit party were as opposed to the EU and all it's works, including the parliament, as they would have us believe, they would not have turned their backs.

 

They would not have turned up at all!

 

Of course, were they to do that then they would not receive their generous MEP salaries, allowances and pensions! All paid for by the British tax payer.

 

In this they are following the example set by their leader over his many years as an MEP, during which he trousered large amounts of EU cash for doing the bare minimum required to qualify for it.

 

 

17 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

I don't know - why don't we go back to the late 80s and ask the USSR? ????

As a dyed in the wool lifelong Tory nationalist, you can see the comparison between the USSR and the EU. Thankfully most of us see little or no comparison.

 

The EU wan't imposed on us, we begged and pleaded to be allowed to join. In 1975 we had a referendum, the result of which was to remain in the EU by a majority of 2 to 1. Where's our democratic right?

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

If the Brexit party were as opposed to the EU and all it's works, including the parliament, as they would have us believe, they would not have turned their backs.

 

They would not have turned up at all!

The same as Sinn Fein do with the HOC.

11 hours ago, vogie said:

The EU might think it's a country with it's own anthem, they need reminding, they are not.

No, they do not believe that at all.

 

They believe they are a union of nation states.

 

Many organisations which are not countries have an anthem. For example: A Scout Is: The Boy Scout's Anthem

 

 

4 minutes ago, petemoss said:

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

If the Brexit party were as opposed to the EU and all it's works, including the parliament, as they would have us believe, they would not have turned their backs.

 

They would not have turned up at all!

The same as Sinn Fein do with the HOC.

 Indeed, and as a result Sinn Fein MPs do not receive an MP's salary.

 

I have no time for PIRA's mouthpiece, but in this they are at least adhering to their beliefs; unlike Farage and his Brexit party hypocrites.

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No, they do not believe that at all.

 

They believe they are a union of nation states.

 

Many organisations which are not countries have an anthem. For example: A Scout Is: The Boy Scout's Anthem

 

 

They can believe what they want, in reality they are turning Europe into a Federal nation with it's own national anthem and flag, without consulting anyone. Britain is more than a star on somebody elses flag. 

BTW, I don't stand for the Boy Scouts Anthem either.

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

They can believe what they want, in reality they are turning Europe into a Federal nation with it's own national anthem and flag, without consulting anyone. Britain is more than a star on somebody elses flag. 

BTW, I don't stand for the Boy Scouts Anthem either.

It's not somebody else's flag. As a full member with equal rights and equal say in every decision that is made by the EU, it's just as much our flag as anyone else's flag. To paint it as otherwise is simply the usual Brexiteer non-evidential rhetoric. Boring.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

They can believe what they want, in reality they are turning Europe into a Federal nation with it's own national anthem and flag, without consulting anyone.

 Apart from the governments of the member states, who have to agree unanimously to any and all such changes. So whilst a member, we have a veto.

 

Of course, Farage and his cronies don't want you to know that.

 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

BTW, I don't stand for the Boy Scouts Anthem either.

I've never been to a Boy Scouts event where it has been played; but if I ever did I would stand as a sign of respect.

 

But you will doubtless now say that you have no respect for the EU; your choice.

 

Neither do Farage and his party; doesn't stop them from accepting large amounts of cash from the EU, though, does it? Cash which ultimately comes from the British taxpayer.

 

By turning up and accepting this money they have proven themselves hypocrites.

42 minutes ago, petemoss said:

As a dyed in the wool lifelong Tory nationalist, you can see the comparison between the USSR and the EU. Thankfully most of us see little or no comparison.

 

The EU wan't imposed on us, we begged and pleaded to be allowed to join. In 1975 we had a referendum, the result of which was to remain in the EU by a majority of 2 to 1. Where's our democratic right?

 

A perfect example of ardent bias and presumptious preconception that is so often present when discussing political affairs etc. these days with a depressing number of people.

 

You know literally nothing about me, yet you assert much, without any evidence to substantiate it other than your opinion. Facts trump opinions, so here are a few -

 

FYI - I have never voted Tory in my life and think the current so called 'conservative party' is a joke and desperately needs replacing with something competent, and I'm far from being a nationalist either - having spent more than a decade residing outside my home country - living, working and traveling in Thailand/SE Asia and India. My other half is a Burmese/Thai national with whom I have a child, and I have been proficient in the Thai language for many years now.

 

Hardly the hallmarks of 'dyed in the wall lifelong Tory nationalist'! ????

 

Utter conjecture and assumptions with the odd ad-hominem comment thrown in as per usual - but that's ok, I've come to expect it from a great many on this forum - especially when debating something as ideologically provocative as the EU/Brexit. I don't rise to the bait, so insult away pal ????. I would enter into debate with you re: how you overlook some very fundamental similarities / comparable components of both the EU and USSR, but after your opening remark, I can safely say there'd be no point as it seems you've already come to your conclusions and are very willing to demonstrate your disdain for others of an opposing view without considering theirs. Typical really.  

 

8 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

I would enter into debate with you re: how you overlook some very fundamental similarities / comparable components of both the EU and USSR

Such as?

 

Whatever your thoughts on the EU are, there is one fundamental, vital difference between the EU and the old USSR.

 

The EU is a democratic institution where all decisions are made by democratically elected representatives, either by the European Parliament, the Council of Ministers or the Heads of Governments.

 

I doubt that these days you'd find even the most ardent socialist who would claim that the Soviet Union was ever democratic!

 

The EU doesn't have any gulags either.

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 Apart from the governments of the member states, who have to agree unanimously to any and all such changes. So whilst a member, we have a veto.

 

Of course, Farage and his cronies don't want you to know that.

 

I've never been to a Boy Scouts event where it has been played; but if I ever did I would stand as a sign of respect.

 

But you will doubtless now say that you have no respect for the EU; your choice.

 

Neither do Farage and his party; doesn't stop them from accepting large amounts of cash from the EU, though, does it? Cash which ultimately comes from the British taxpayer.

 

By turning up and accepting this money they have proven themselves hypocrites.

I really think you need to educate yourself why the Brexit Party have entered the EU parliament in the first place, it was not out of loyality to the EU, it was to help with the democratic decision of the British electorate to leave the EU.

You say I have no respect for the EU, well you are correct, but personally I would have put it a little stronger than that.

Finally my last word to you, if you want to be part of a greater Federal Union, I respect your decision and your choice, please respect my decision not to part of it.

We have been lied to far to long, at least Verhofstadt is being truthfull here.

 

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

I really think you need to educate yourself why the Brexit Party have entered the EU parliament in the first place, it was not out of loyality to the EU, it was to help with the democratic decision of the British electorate to leave the EU.

 It is you who needs to educate yourself!

 

The reason we have not already left the EU has nothing to do with the European Parliament, it is because British MPs in the British Parliament blocked our exit for their own party political and personal ambition reasons.

 

None of which has anything to do with or can be affected by the European Parliament. Even if that Parliament were to vote on any final deal, the minority of Brexit party MEPs therein would have negligible effect on that vote.

 

OK, Farage formed the Brexit party to show how much support there still remains in the UK for Brexit. But this aim was achieved by the results of the election. His point was made, and would only be emphasised by he and his members refusing to turn up to the Parliament to take their seats.

 

I would not agree with them, but would respect them had they done that.

 

But instead they did turn up. The only reason for so doing being to collect their salaries, expenses and qualify for their MEP pensions. Not to mention the compensation for being removed early from their MEP positions when Brexit does finally happen.

 

They are in it for the money; were they not then they would not have taken up their seats. Which would have been a far more honest and effective protest than childishly turning their backs. But had they done the honest thing, they would not be getting any money!

 

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

You say I have no respect for the EU, well you are correct, but personally I would have put it a little stronger than that.

Your hero Farage certainly respects, or at least loves, the vast amounts of British taxpayers money he's received via the EU over the years. Thanks to Rees-Mogg and others delaying Brexit, he's going to get a whole lot more!

 

19 minutes ago, vogie said:

We have been lied to far to long, at least Verhofstadt is being truthfull here.

Odd how you believe one man's opinion when it confirms your prejudices, but ignore the numerous facts which confound them!

 

Actually, not odd at all; it's to be expected from you and many of your fellow Brexiteers.

^^^^^^

Post as many laugh emojis as you want @vogie; so much easier than actually coming up with cogent arguments to support your view!

 

Edit;

Well done! You've proven my point for me!

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 It is you who needs to educate yourself!

 

The reason we have not already left the EU has nothing to do with the European Parliament, it is because British MPs in the British Parliament blocked our exit for their own party political and personal ambition reasons.

 

 

 

The E.U could have refused an extension of our withdrawal process and the UK would have been out the EU already 

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

^^^^^^

Post as many laugh emojis as you want @vogie; so much easier than actually coming up with cogent arguments to support your view!

 

Edit;

Well done! You've proven my point for me!

You are becoming caustic as usual, I would prefer to leave the discussion at this stage, it would be in both our interests as history as shown. Have a nice day.

29 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The E.U could have refused an extension of our withdrawal process and the UK would have been out the EU already 

 Could have done, yes.

 

But who wanted an extension? Hint; it wasn't the EU!

27 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The E.U could have refused an extension of our withdrawal process and the UK would have been out the EU already 

Let's get this straight. UK Tory rebel Brexiteers of the ERG prevented the UK leaving the EU. It's down to them, not the EU, not the moderates, remainers, or Johnson or Hunt who voted for the WAG. In addition it was the Tory government that requested an extension, not because the EU could have rejected it.

 

Is this clear enough?