3 minutes ago, Gilltom said:

So does the agent leave the money in the bank each year fir everyone.if not treading a fine line .is this not illegal if u don.t have the money 

If somebody else puts money into your account just for a day so you can obtain a visa extension? Well, you figure it out.

On 7/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, giddyup said:

Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that?

I consulted an agent and she told me that if they require me to show funds after 90 days that they would re-deposit the money and go with me to Immigration for a fee of 300 baht.  Her fee up front was 18 thousand baht.  I ended up using another agent but that was what this particular agent told me. Agents obviously have some sort of agreement with IO.

On 7/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, giddyup said:

Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that?

By being as bent as a corkscrew, as is the IO, who accepts the fraud. 

58 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

My post was literally firing at those who didn't want to work, drink heavily and the rest, now having to suffer at the whims of agents/immigration officers. 

Thanks for the clarification and it seems like we have a lot in common, because I worked my way out of the "poor folk" by hard work, study and lots of good fortune, however there were people who just were not able to do that and it's those for whom I feel sorry.

 

Like you, I have no time for the whingers who decided to spend all they had, on everything they could, including drink and whatever, and then deciding that life had dealt them a "poor hand".

 

Not in my book because there is a difference between those who had no choice and those who did, and there is no excuse for those who had a choice to save but decided not to.

 

You reap what you sow I think is the old adage.

Hence the new sessions on washing money, possibly they're going to look at these 'funds' going in and out of peoples accounts so they can track the agents money movements - I'm assuming not many pays taxes on their lucrative businesses.

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

Hence the new sessions on washing money, possibly they're going to look at these 'funds' going in and out of peoples accounts so they can track the agents money movements - I'm assuming not many pays taxes on their lucrative businesses.

You can be pretty sure that they ain't going to kill the golden goose.

On 7/24/2019 at 2:46 PM, BritManToo said:

Immigration agree with the agent to waive any financial checks on you for that year.

Head of Immigration at each branch has the right to waive any/all extension conditions.

 

It's perfectly legal.

You call that legal? 

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

You can be pretty sure that they ain't going to kill the golden goose.

only thing I'm sure is I won't rule anything out for times are definitely changing..

22 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Your the freeloader because you dont pay agent money....Immigration dont like freeloaders....I bet right now they are cooking up new ways to get you uppity 800,000 baht deadbeats to show some respect to the man, by paying your fair share of agent money.... 
 

 

 No problem ,  raise it from 800K - 1.5 million bht.

   That would raise the post, for the right quality  type of farlang/alien...

 

    

 

30 minutes ago, sniggie said:

You call that legal? 

 

 Legal in Thailand . welcome to the kingdom , enjoy your visit ..

It never ceases to amaze me that many TVF posters look at Thai legalities in a very Western way. They toss around terms like "corruption" and "bribery", when this is the way things have always been done here and in many other countries. The western mode of legal thinking is only activated when the authorities want to use it for utilitarian reasons. The fact that Immigration has its own internal "agency" shows that whether or not it is technically "legal" or not is not something that a farang needs to consider. I did it the Thai way and got my extension of stay. When I picked up my passport, they had the perfect opportunity to prosecute me, and of course that didn't happen. The current government of Thailand certainly did not follow any western procedure in assuming power. Why should any other function be different?

10 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

It never ceases to amaze me that many TVF posters look at Thai legalities in a very Western way. They toss around terms like "corruption" and "bribery", when this is the way things have always been done here and in many other countries. The western mode of legal thinking is only activated when the authorities want to use it for utilitarian reasons. The fact that Immigration has its own internal "agency" shows that whether or not it is technically "legal" or not is not something that a farang needs to consider. I did it the Thai way and got my extension of stay. When I picked up my passport, they had the perfect opportunity to prosecute me, and of course that didn't happen. The current government of Thailand certainly did not follow any western procedure in assuming power. Why should any other function be different?

 

 Correct KhunFred ,  if it works , dont alter it ..

 

 

29 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

It never ceases to amaze me that many TVF posters look at Thai legalities in a very Western way. They toss around terms like "corruption" and "bribery", when this is the way things have always been done here and in many other countries. The western mode of legal thinking is only activated when the authorities want to use it for utilitarian reasons. The fact that Immigration has its own internal "agency" shows that whether or not it is technically "legal" or not is not something that a farang needs to consider. I did it the Thai way and got my extension of stay. When I picked up my passport, they had the perfect opportunity to prosecute me, and of course that didn't happen. The current government of Thailand certainly did not follow any western procedure in assuming power. Why should any other function be different?

As I've mentioned several times, I don't give a rodents rectum if people use an agent to obtain an extension, my beef is why, and to what purpose, is immigration making it more and more difficult for those who are using the "normal" way of obtaining an extension? To turn a blind eye to those who are not complying with the rules, because there's graft involved, yet add another layer of frustration and inconvenience to those that are, is just perverse.

On 7/24/2019 at 7:20 AM, giddyup said:

Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that?

The Agent is working with the IO . 

7 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 Correct KhunFred ,  if it works , dont alter it ..

 

 

If the world thought like that we'd still be using horse and carts.

4 minutes ago, giddyup said:

If the world thought like that we'd still be using horse and carts.

Giddy-up!

46 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 Legal in Thailand . welcome to the kingdom , enjoy your visit ..

No, corruption in Thailand is still corruption.

8 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Summed up exactly how I would have put it.

 

It also highlights to me, that there are a hell of a lot of Xpats out there who just don't have that small amount of money in savings, i.e. 800,000 baht that they can just leave in the bank.

 

The above said, what the hell did all these Xpats do with their savings over the years worked, dare I ask, I mean how sad is it that they have to rely on corrupt agent/immigration officers to keep them in the country for another year, for a price ranging from 15,000-25,000 baht.

 

It's also sad to see that these Xpats give up there power to these money hungry agents/immigration officers which fuels their greed and if you ask me, I agree, tomorrows increase is your own making and if the 90 day reporting becomes a convenient issue because they have become hungrier, that could be another 5,000 baht every 90 days for example, what then.

 

Foruntately for those of us who have managed to work, think, save, and know when to say no to corrupted agents/immigration officers, can honestly say with pride that they have nothing over us and never will, excluding the chicken feed of 100 to 500 baht I have donated to cops/immigration officers over time, but 15,000-25,000 all I can say is Som Nam Na ????

 

 

You perhaps don,t realise when you are fortunate.

Fortunate in the sense that problems in life have come one at a time. 

It is just a question of timing. 

You lose your job but have your health, therefore you get back on track.

You become seriously ill but are employed or have savings. 

One hurdle is possible to jump. 

But when the hurdles, for mere fate, stack themselves, no-where to land and re-coup, then it is really easy to go under. 

Too easy to judge

On 7/24/2019 at 2:11 PM, from the home of CC said:

imo this will end in tears for many and will probably set a record for responses on tvf when the first one gets deported and posts...

Good luck to all, other than the 'Just get the proper visa' types who may themselves not be complying with the law in its most exact and literal terms. May it be you who meets a sad end, too.

3 hours ago, KhunFred said:

I consulted an agent and she told me that if they require me to show funds after 90 days that they would re-deposit the money and go with me to Immigration for a fee of 300 baht.  Her fee up front was 18 thousand baht.  I ended up using another agent but that was what this particular agent told me. Agents obviously have some sort of agreement with IO.

   Correct ,  mine is ex immi retired , early...

Many agents advertise their services on farang oriented sites .

  Search and you will find , quality is the key ,  nuff said..

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, bigginhill said:

You perhaps don,t realise when you are fortunate.

Fortunate in the sense that problems in life have come one at a time. 

It is just a question of timing. 

You lose your job but have your health, therefore you get back on track.

You become seriously ill but are employed or have savings. 

One hurdle is possible to jump. 

But when the hurdles, for mere fate, stack themselves, no-where to land and re-coup, then it is really easy to go under. 

Too easy to judge

Naturally there are hurdles in life, so if we can we jump them, we will.

 

Born into a poor family,  worked hard, studied later in life, saved and invested, hurdles jumped.

Divorce, property split and child support paid for 16 years, hurdle jumped

Heart attack on a Friday night, hospitalised and stent put in same night, released late afternoon on the Monday which was a public holiday, back to work Tuesday, hurdle jumped

 

I can appreciate that there are hurdles in life that affect how people can or cannot save for later years in life, however I was talking more so about the everyday guys who sit on their rears drinking at the local washing away their only fall back position in life as the $, Pound, Euro goes south, with no further savings or to at least have 800,000 baht in the bank for their extension, and need to pay the corrupt Thai agents/immigration officers to be able to stay here, while they laugh at us, after all we are in the LOS aren't we.

 

I've seen guys lose everything here from wearing their hearts on their sleeves and opening up their bank accounts to their Tiruks, later finding out she had a Thai husband, borrowed money against the house etc etc who would also excluded from the above, hurdles like that you can't jump when your at retirement age, so as I said, my comment was meant for the others, you know who I mean.  

This post and 14 pages later highlight two things.

 

One, a lot of expats are using the agent path. The vast majority?

 

Two, they all know they are skirting the system, but thats ok. 

 

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 1:20 PM, giddyup said:

Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that?

Just a small brown envelope under the table works every time  See problem solved.

17 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

It also highlights to me, that there are a hell of a lot of Xpats out there who just don't have that small amount of money in savings, i.e. 800,000 baht that they can just leave in the bank.

According to a survey, most Americans don't have $500 they could pay in an emergency.

Why you (or anyone else) would think we all have a spare $25,000 to park in a Thai bank is beyond me.

12 minutes ago, a977 said:

On 7/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, giddyup said:

Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that?

Just a small brown envelope under the table works every time  See problem solved.

See problem (ILLEGALLY) solved.

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

According to a survey, most Americans don't have $500 they could pay in an emergency.

Why you (or anyone else) would think we all have a spare $25,000 to park in a Thai bank is beyond me.

The average American household has $175,510 in savings as of June 2018.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/27/heres-how-much-money-americans-have-in-savings-at-every-income-level.html

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The average American household has $175,510 in savings as of June 2018

Is that immediately accessible savings that they can use/spend as and when required???

 

If they all have that much why do they need to use agents to obtain extensions using illegal financial documents?

21 hours ago, giddyup said:

Really, if you'd bothered to actually read the posts you'd see I have no axe to grind with the people who use agents, but with immigration's hypocrisy. 

Just like so many posters, your real problem is because you are reasonably well off, you have it in for those who can't afford the money in the bank.

I can afford it, but I am not having anyone tell me how much I should have in my Thai bank account, besides Thailand is not stable enough for me to trust them with my life savings, so they will stay in my UK bank.

20 hours ago, giddyup said:

Not to say it can't happen again, but it makes little difference either way to me. My beef is with immigration turning the screws on those that are actually doing the right thing.

 Thai immigration has turned the screws on everyone, rich and not so rich. Not so long ago, for anyone who came to Thailand, maybe for the ladies, maybe for a holiday, and then decide they want to stay.

They look in to everything, speak with expats etc, like what they see, find a Thai partner, some with kids, buy a house etc, maybe take them out of poverty.

Eventually the rules all change, they cannot afford the money in the bank, so in your eyes, they should leave their partner, and also the house they bought. then just buzz off back to their own country.

8 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

 Thai immigration has turned the screws on everyone, rich and not so rich. Not so long ago, for anyone who came to Thailand, maybe for the ladies, maybe for a holiday, and then decide they want to stay.

They look in to everything, speak with expats etc, like what they see, find a Thai partner, some with kids, buy a house etc, maybe take them out of poverty.

Eventually the rules all change, they cannot afford the money in the bank, so in your eyes, they should leave their partner, and also the house they bought. then just buzz off back to their own country.

What are you on about? I have said several times I couldn't care less if people use agents, my complaint is with immigration tightening the screws on those who are doing the right thing. Never mentioned anything about people buzzing off back home, so stick to what I've said, not your interpretation.