Hotels and TM30s

[Tropicalevo]

2 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Your Thai drivers license has your passport number on it (in place of a Thai national id number).  

 

Can they fill out the TM 30 with just your name and number?

No

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

The last time that I checked with my ex in Phuket, she had to enter the guest's full name, passport number, TM6 number, nationality and visa type (tourist or non-immigrant) into the online registration system, plus a couple of other details.  I originally registered her hotel on the system, so I used it myself and know what guest details were required.

 

That was about 5 years ago - maybe  the system has been simplified now.

Still the same. I process TM30's every day.

[Peterw42]

2 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Your Thai drivers license has your passport number on it (in place of a Thai national id number).  

 

Can they fill out the TM 30 with just your name and number?

TM30 requires more information than just your passport number, TM6 number, stay date etc.

[AAArdvark]

Some posters seem to have missed the point of my questions.  If the hotel accepts just the DL it appears that they cannot do a TM30.  If they do not do a TM30 it is not my job to force them to do it.  If no TM30 is done by the hotel there would not be a need for me to do one when I return and would only cause confusion. Nor would it be my job to force Airbnb to do one.  I will carry, but not present my passport unless asked.  If asked, I will do a TM30 on return.

I live in CM and an IO there told me that they would expect one after a stay in another province.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

Some posters seem to have missed the point of my questions.  If the hotel accepts just the DL it appears that they cannot do a TM30.  If they do not do a TM30 it is not my job to force them to do it.  If no TM30 is done by the hotel there would not be a need for me to do one when I return and would only cause confusion. Nor would it be my job to force Airbnb to do one.  I will carry, but not present my passport unless asked.  If asked, I will do a TM30 on return.

I live in CM and an IO there told me that they would expect one after a stay in another province.

Exactly.

 

And to avoid problems I like to book and check in in my wife's name.

[simon43]

So if a hotel or guesthouse accepts your driving licence as ID, you know that they are not making a TM30 report...

[ChipButty]

There was a poster on here TV a while ago said he was told that he only needed to do it TM 30 when he came back into the country

[AAArdvark]

You did not read the other 2 million posts.  Some offices do and some do not.  In my case in CM, I was specifically told that they do need one for out of the province. 

[AAArdvark]

23 minutes ago, simon43 said:

So if a hotel or guesthouse accepts your driving licence as ID, you know that they are not making a TM30 report...

I don't think anyone here knows for sure but the consensus is that there is not enough information on the DL to complete a TM30.

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

Will the hotel do the TM 30 for my staying there, does this TM 30 not apply to me ?

It is the hotel's responsibility to complete the TM 30. It is your responsibility to give them the information ie passport with the entry visa and the TM6 (departure card).

 

TM 30 applies to all foreigners and has nothing to do with 90 day reports.

[Tropicalevo]

3 hours ago, OJAS said:

Why should we, in effect, be required to police the 1979 Immigration Act on behalf of the Immigration Bureau? If a hotel were not prepared to lodge a TM30 covering the period of our stay with them, then this would surely spare us the need to lodge a fresh TM30 upon our return home with our own immigration office (if they are one of those who insist on this being done) in practice. No skin off our noses if the hotel subsequently got found out for not lodging a TM30 – they would be the ones who were fined, not we!

We are not "in effect, be required to police the 1979 Immigration Act on behalf of the Immigration Bureau" - the hotels/property owners are. It is the law.

 

"they would be the ones who were fined, not we!" That is true unless the guest does not provide the information to the hotel. ie does not provide the passport details, TM6 and entry/visa stamp. Then the guest would be fined.

[Roy Baht]

I can tell it's extra work for hotels. One place my wife and I go to occasionally for weekend getaways now asks from my wife's Thai ID instead of my passport when we check in.

[kartman]

You arrive in Thailand and stay at a Hotel that submits a TM30 then you stay at ones that don't for the next 4 nights before arriving home and the House owner submits their TM30 within 24 Hrs what do Immigration do?

[Maestro]

12 hours ago, kartman said:

You arrive in Thailand and stay at a Hotel that submits a TM30 then you stay at ones that don't for the next 4 nights before arriving home and the House owner submits their TM30 within 24 Hrs what do Immigration do?

 

In this situation, immigration will do nothing.

[ChipButty]

19 hours ago, Roy Baht said:

I can tell it's extra work for hotels. One place my wife and I go to occasionally for weekend getaways now asks from my wife's Thai ID instead of my passport when we check in.

That happened to us in Hua Hin my wife's ID was enough

[petedk]

On 7/28/2019 at 12:03 AM, Maestro said:

 

The question was whether the hotel does the TM.30 notification to immigration when the foreigner checks in with only his driving licence. How was this in your case? Did the hotel notify your arrival to immigration?

Yes, they did.

 

Edit: I have read the other posts in the meantime. Yes they registered with immigration. Now I really don't know if it was through a TM30 or other means. I can also add that we usually stay at the same hotels, so they have our customer history regarding meal preferences and so on.

 

This weekend we went to Hua Hin. I offered them my passport and they smiled and said not necessary. We have your wife's ID. I have also stayed at this hotel many times, so maybe they have my details on record somewhere. 

[bbi1]

On 7/28/2019 at 8:56 AM, macahoom said:

 

What do you make of this?

 

I live in Phuket. I hold passports from two different countries.

 

In the last 6 months or so I have stayed in 3 fairly expensive hotels in Thailand and, in each, I have presented reception with my passport that has not a single stamp in it - I have never used it when travelling.

 

In each case, the receptionist did not say a word; just checked me in with no problems.

 

 

You're gonna have a problem when you go to immigration to get an extension of stay. That's for sure.

[kartman]

On 7/29/2019 at 2:32 AM, Maestro said:

 

In this situation, immigration will do nothing.

Not according to Robinsons  at Ching Rai Imm  you had better keep details of where you stayed in my scenario to prove you had not been at your home address for over 24 hrs

[garyk]

After coming into Thailand I checked into a hotel in BKK. They charged me 100 baht extra to do the report. 

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, garyk said:

After coming into Thailand I checked into a hotel in BKK. They charged me 100 baht extra to do the report. 

That's a new one, I might have asked them not to bother. 

[pookett]

According to Mrs P (hotel boss);

Any law abiding hotel will endeavour to see the passport and TM6. They will usually photocopy both along with the latest arrival stamp and/or visa.

For completing the TM30 they will;

Enter TM6 number

Enter passport number

Name of guest as it appears in PP

DOB

Nationality

Gender

Date of entry to KoT

Visa type

Immigration port passed on entry to KoT

 

Many of these fields are not mandatory i.e. if the guest provides less than the above the TM30 can still be registered. This makes the hotel's obligation complete.

She did also state that she had never tried registering someone without a passport number from original PP or DL and would not allow that person entry to the hotel without one.

She also confirmed that spot checks are done on small and medium hotels, no experience of large (>100 rooms).

 

[DFPhuket]

I have a login for the TM30 online notification screen and just checked to see which fields were required. The required fields (they have a red *) are passport, name, nationality and gender. There are indeed other fields (such as the TM6 number) but those do not need to be filled in. Therefore, it would be possible to register someone with just information from a driver's license, since it includes the person's passport number. 

[NoshowJones]

On 7/27/2019 at 5:16 PM, madmen said:

How can they do a TM 30 on a driver's licence? It needs passport copies

Thai Air Bnb probably wont. 

Your passport number is on your driving licence.

 

On 7/27/2019 at 5:22 PM, ubonjoe said:

It depends upon the hotel. Some will while others will insist on you showing your passport.

I have traveled over most of Thailand both on my motorbike road trips, and public transport, the only hotel that ever asked me for my passport is the Nana Hotel in Bangkok.

[NoshowJones]

On 7/28/2019 at 8:41 AM, simon43 said:

The last time that I checked with my ex in Phuket, she had to enter the guest's full name, passport number, TM6 number, nationality and visa type (tourist or non-immigrant) into the online registration system, plus a couple of other details.  I originally registered her hotel on the system, so I used it myself and know what guest details were required.

 

That was about 5 years ago - maybe  the system has been simplified now.

Nothing in Thailand ever gets simplified.

[Sydebolle]

Never showed my passport at a Thai hotel reception; the driver's license is more than sufficient as it shows your passport (or 13 digit personal number for PR holders and Thai citizen) and the backside features your address ........... 
The driver's license is issued against, among others, your passport in the first place ???? 

 

[sumrit]

2 hours ago, DFPhuket said:

it would be possible to register someone with just information from a driver's license, since it includes the person's passport number.

 

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

Your passport number is on your driving licence.

Not always.

 

For those of us who used our Pink ID card (for ID) and yellow babien baan (for our registered address) our renewed Driving Licence has our Thai ID number on I, NOT our passport number. 

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, sumrit said:

 

Not always.

 

For those of us who used our Pink ID card (for ID) and yellow babien baan (for our registered address) our renewed Driving Licence has our Thai ID number on I, NOT our passport number. 

I didn't know that, I have these things you mention. So will a hotel or guesthouse maybe refuse your driving licence if your passport number is not on it?

[Martyp]

6 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I didn't know that, I have these things you mention. So will a hotel or guesthouse maybe refuse your driving licence if your passport number is not on it?

They mean a Thai drivers license has their passport number. They could very well not accept just a foreign license.

[sumrit]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

I didn't know that, I have these things you mention. So will a hotel or guesthouse maybe refuse your driving licence if your passport number is not on it?

I've always used my pink ID card when registering at hotels instead of my passport. It's always been accepted for me. A couple of posters have said they've been asked for their passports at Bangkok hotels but, personally, I've never had a problem. Last weekend we went to a hotel in Chantaburi and I didn't even take my passport with me. My ID card was accepted (with just my Thai ID number), no problem.

 

Your Thai ID number will only be on your driving licence if you used both your ID card and tabien baan when applying for your licence. If you used your passport instead of your pink card for ID purposes when applying yor passport number will be on your licence.

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, sumrit said:

I've always used my pink ID card when registering at hotels instead of my passport. It's always been accepted for me. A couple of posters have said they've been asked for their passports at Bangkok hotels but, personally, I've never had a problem. Last weekend we went to a hotel in Chantaburi and I didn't even take my passport with me. My ID card was accepted (with just my Thai ID number), no problem.

 

Your Thai ID number will only be on your driving licence if you used both your ID card and tabien baan when applying for your licence. If you used your passport instead of your pink card for ID purposes when applying yor passport number will be on your licence.

Thanks, The only hotel that insisted on your passport is The Nana Hotel in Bangkok in my experience.