Ten people, including one suspect, killed in Dayton, Ohio shooting

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Ten people, including one suspect, killed in Dayton, Ohio shooting

 

 

(Reuters) - Ten people, including one suspect, were killed early on Sunday in a shooting in Dayton, Ohio, and at least 16 others were taken to hospitals with injuries, police said.

 

Authorities gave no details about the circumstances of the shooting except that it occurred in the city's Oregon District, an historic neighbourhood known for its nightclubs, bars, art galleries and shops.

 

The Dayton Daily News said the shooting occurred at or near an establishment called Ned Pepper's Bar in Dayton's Oregon District.

 

(Reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles; Editing by Jane Merriman and Angus MacSwan)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-04

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[Lungstib]

In a nation always at war it appears the citizens have decided to do act likewise. 

[Mikisteel]

Is this a co-ordinated attack?

[JemJem]

Apparently, first responders arrived at the scene in less than a minute ! It could have been a lot worse if they hadn't gone there that fast !

[Mikisteel]

I read the guy yesterday had some kind of manifesto online about attacks. Seems unlikely 2 such attacks in 2 days is just coincidence.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Tragic, but appropriate name for the nearby bar.

 

It is thought the shooting took place outside Ned Peppers Bar on E 5th Street. A note saying staff members were safe appeared on Ned Peppers Instagram page and on the nearby Hole in the Wall bar's Facebook page.

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Mikisteel said:

I read the guy yesterday had some kind of manifesto online about attacks. Seems unlikely 2 such attacks in 2 days is just coincidence.

And this one happened within an hour's drive of one of DT's hate rallies a few days before.

 

 

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, JemJem said:

Apparently, first responders arrived at the scene in less than a minute ! It could have been a lot worse if they hadn't gone there that fast !

The police response time was phenomenal, and still nine people were killed.  That's what happens when you give mentally unstable people access to assault rifles.

[Roadman]

28 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The police response time was phenomenal, and still nine people were killed.  That's what happens when you give mentally unstable people access to assault rifles.

Or stable people with assualt rifles who become unstable?

[sunnyboy2018]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

And this one happened within an hour's drive of one of DT's hate rallies a few days before.

 

 

These mass killings happened under Obama and Clinton too!

[lannarebirth]

Killer's sister among the dead:

 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-sister-megan-betts/

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-dayton-ohio-mass-shooting-20190804-pmcnqkoid5defoiy6hhngi2pfm-story.html

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In less than a minute, Ohio gunman kills 9 people, including sister

By Steve Gorman and Kim Palmer

 

Officials investigate the scene after a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, U.S. August 4, 2019. REUTERS/Bryan Woolston

 

(Reuters) - A gunman dressed in body armour opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio, early on Sunday, killing nine people including his sister and wounding 27 others, authorities said, in the second deadly U.S. mass shooting in less than a day.

 

Police officers who were on routine patrol nearby arrived on the scene in less than a minute and shot the attacker dead, likely preventing a much higher casualty toll, police and the city's mayor said.

 

"In less than one minute, Dayton first responders neutralized the shooter," Mayor Nan Whaley said at a news conference. "I'm just still completely amazed at the heroic nature of our police department."

 

Dayton Assistant Police Chief Matt Carper on Sunday named the alleged gunman as Connor Betts, a 24-year-old white male from Bellbrook, Ohio, who opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio and killed nine people. Officials said his sister Megan Betts, 22, was among those killed. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).

A gunman dressed in body armor opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio, early on Sunday, killing nine people including his sister and wounding 27 others, authorities said, in the second deadly U.S. mass shooting in less than a day.

Police officers who were on routine patrol nearby arrived on the scene in less than a minute and shot the attacker dead, likely preventing a much higher casualty toll, police and the city's mayor said.

"In less than one minute, Dayton first responders neutralized the shooter," Mayor Nan Whaley said at a news conference. "I'm just still completely amazed at the heroic nature of our police department."

Assistant Police Chief Matt Carper named the gunman as Connor Betts, a 24-year-old white male from Bellbrook, Ohio, and said his sister Megan Betts, 22, was among those killed.

Carper told reporters the shooting began at 1 a.m. local time in Dayton's Oregon District, an historic neighborhood popular for its nightclubs, restaurants, art galleries and shops.

The motive behind the shooting was not immediately clear, and investigators believe the individual had acted alone, Carper said.

The victims were four women and five men and ranged in age from 22 to 57, authorities said, adding that the youngest was the gunman's sister. Six of the nine people killed were African-American.

Of the 27 people injured, four remained in serious condition and one person in critical, medical authorities said.

 

Assistant Police Chief Matt Carper named the gunman as Connor Betts, a 24-year-old white male from Bellbrook, Ohio, and said his sister Megan Betts, 22, was among those killed.

 

Carper told reporters the shooting began at 1 a.m. local time in Dayton's Oregon District, an historic neighbourhood popular for its nightclubs, restaurants, art galleries and shops.

 

The motive behind the shooting was not immediately clear, and investigators believe the individual had acted alone, Carper said.

The victims were four women and five men and ranged in age from 22 to 57, authorities said, adding that the youngest was the gunman's sister. Six of the nine people killed were African-American.

 

"There isn't much discrimination in the shooting," Carper told reporters. "It happened in a very short period of time."

 

Of the 27 people injured, four remained in serious condition and one person in critical, medical authorities said.

 

Whaley said the suspect wore body armour and fired a rifle with .223-caliber rounds from high-capacity ammunition magazines.

 

Had police officers not confronted the suspect as quickly as they did, "hundreds of people in the Oregon District could be dead today," the mayor said.

 

FBI agents were assisting in the investigation.

 

The shooting in Dayton, a riverfront city of about 140,000 people in southwestern Ohio, came just 13 hours after a mass shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, where 20 people were killed and 26 others wounded. The 21-year-old suspect in that shooting was arrested.

 

The Ohio shooting was the third major outbreak of U.S. gun violence, coming seven days after a teenager killed three people with an assault rifle at a food festival in Northern California before taking his own life.

 

The latest shooting occurred outside a Dayton tavern called Ned Peppers Bar.

 

The Dayton Daily News cited a Facebook post from James Wilson, who said he was a customer sitting on a patio just outside the bar when the shooting occurred in front of the establishment.

 

"He (a gunman) tried to get into the bar but did not make it through the door," Wilson wrote. "Someone took the gun from him and he got shot and is dead."

 

One witness, Anthony Reynolds, said he heard gunfire that sounded like it was coming from a high-powered weapon.

 

"Just boom boom boom boom boom boom rapid," he said. "You could tell there's a big gun. You're not going to get those from no handgun. You're not."

 

Deb Decker, a spokeswoman for emergency services in Montgomery County, Ohio, told CNN the assailant had been making his way to Ned Peppers from another bar when someone grabbed the barrel of his rifle, and he drew a handgun, but was then shot as police arrived.

 

The mayor said the carnage in Dayton marked the 250th mass shooting in the United States so far this year, a figure that could not immediately be verified.

 

(Reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles and Kim Palmer in Columbus; Additional reporting by Keith Coffman in Denver; Editing by Angus MacSwan, Alexandra Hudson and Lisa Shumaker)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-05

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[Thechook]

3 hours ago, bendejo said:

And this one happened within an hour's drive of one of DT's hate rallies a few days before.

 

 

Mass shootings have always been a favorite pastime of American so you can't blame them on trump.  Blame them on the ease of buying guns

[Damrongsak]

1 hour ago, Thechook said:

Mass shootings have always been a favorite pastime of American so you can't blame them on trump.  Blame them on the ease of buying guns

We have about 325 million people in the USA and their ancestors originated in "other places" at one time or another. Great genetic mix for nut cases.  Worse is the fact that no one pays attention to the "marginal" people who need friends and mentors until it's too late. 

[WeekendRaider]

the USA media and politicians latched onto the "got him in less than one minute" almost as fast as a "Democrat" beleives 'its only about ice melting in 2100 something' or a Trump supporter that 'Mexican rapists' are crossing the border in thousands!

 

we "beleive" what we want to believe in 2 seconds. same same here. 'its mushroom farmers' and 'dumb rice farmers burning for paddy'...... and not what multiple science journals are reporting. example Mandy Fruend et. al in Nat Geoscience, May 2019.  and we call it "human emotions" yet it's from the part of our brains that is not at all uniquely human. it is funny though. 

 

if some nonsense sounds good to us, we will all but memorize it.  such things are a 'tell'.  not just an emotional relief but often times should be getting more intelligent analysis than it is.  and some of us can get way too latched onto that nonsense.  which is why American style politics and culture, even reading books and western journals... all but scares people and at the least discourages them from.  but not all of our science is nonsense for sure.  some of it is very simple, yet can still be denied! 

 

 

[metisdead]

Off topic trolling posts have been removed. 

[wreckingcountry]

These mass killings happened under Obama and Clinton too!

What a pathetic comment ! Fact is they Tried to take action in gun availability ! The white supremiciat psycho in the WH has his base with these folk ! USA in a hole it can’t recover from


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[Jingthing]

It was a fluke that the police were there that quickly. Totally random. It's not like they were in that spot all the time. Yes, these mass shooters go for numbers. Nine is enough to be a big news event. Two or three doesn't cut it. 

[mtls2005]

3 hours ago, Thechook said:

Blame them on the ease of buying guns

 

Or video games?

 

The top House Republican is blaming video games for the weekend’s mass shootings

 

In an interview on Fox and Friends, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy blamed video games that “dehumanize individuals” for mass shootings this weekend in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. “To have a game of shooting individuals and others, I’ve always felt that is a problem for future generations and others.”

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/4/20753725/el-paso-dayton-shootings-video-games-gop-mccarthy

 

 

 

Given that one of the victims was the shooter's sister this one feels less "manifesto-y", and more "postal". Who doesn't love these categories we have for mass shootings?

 

Although traveling with body armor, an assault rifle and large magazines points to some pre-planning?

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

The republicans always give lip service to alternative theories (mental health / gaming) during the peaks of public pressure in the wake of major mass shootings. It's a transparent diversion tactic. The moment the publicity fades (which doesn't take long) nothing is done about that stuff or most importantly -- GUN CONTROL. 

[JCauto]

6 hours ago, Roadman said:

Or stable people with assualt rifles who become unstable?

Or stable people with assault rifles who have hatred in their hearts for others and who have been encouraged to believe the "others" are trying to take away everything they have.

[JCauto]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The republicans always give lip service to alternative theories (mental health / gaming) during the peaks of public pressure in the wake of major mass shootings. It's a transparent diversion tactic. The moment the publicity fades (which doesn't take long) nothing is done about that stuff or most importantly -- GUN CONTROL. 

That's completely untrue. They only give alternative theories when it is WHITE PEOPLE who are doing the shooting up. Otherwise it's "terrorism".

[Emdog]

"Police officers who were on routine patrol nearby arrived on the scene in less than a minute and shot the attacker dead"

Good for quick response.  "Could have been hundreds". No good reason a citizen should have access to weapon that could lead to hundreds dead, IMO.

 Average 100 people per day die in US by guns. I grant good percentage are suicides. It becomes international news when these deaths are at "mass shootings": the two yesterday total still less than 1/3 of daily sum.

 That said, it is a bit off, a bit of too wide a brush, to lump all Americans as gun crazed homicidal maniacs. It is a bit too similar to labeling all Muslims as jihadist terrorists.

[Boon Mee]

Need more mental asylums to lock up these nut jobs. 

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Average 100 people per day die in US by guns. I grant good percentage are suicides.

 

~ Two-thirds are suicides. Some are accidental/negligent. The rest, homicides, ~ 12,000 give or take annually.

 

Languishing on Moscow Mitch's desk...

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8?q={"search"%3A["HR8"]}&s=6&r=1

 

I'm old enough to remember when the NRA was pro gun control.

 

 

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Need more mental asylums to lock up these nut jobs. 

Yes indeed, That's why other countries don't have the problem we have. Because they have a lot of mental asylums.

If we could build many many mental asylums like them, and  Oh yes,  and a wall!!  a nice big beautiful wall,  from sea to shiny sea, everything would be hunky dory . 

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, WeekendRaider said:

the USA media and politicians latched onto the "got him in less than one minute" almost as fast as a "Democrat" beleives 'its only about ice melting in 2100 something' or a Trump supporter that 'Mexican rapists' are crossing the border in thousands!

 

we "beleive" what we want to believe in 2 seconds. same same here. 'its mushroom farmers' and 'dumb rice farmers burning for paddy'...... and not what multiple science journals are reporting. example Mandy Fruend et. al in Nat Geoscience, May 2019.  and we call it "human emotions" yet it's from the part of our brains that is not at all uniquely human. it is funny though. 

 

if some nonsense sounds good to us, we will all but memorize it.  such things are a 'tell'.  not just an emotional relief but often times should be getting more intelligent analysis than it is.  and some of us can get way too latched onto that nonsense.  which is why American style politics and culture, even reading books and western journals... all but scares people and at the least discourages them from.  but not all of our science is nonsense for sure.  some of it is very simple, yet can still be denied! 

 

 

Did you write this in Thai and then use Google translate?????

[DrDave]

Gun control is at best a band-aid solution. Will it help reduce this type of carnage? Definitely. Will it completely prevent it?  Absolutely not. It's incredibly naive to think that gun control laws will completely eliminate shootings. Consider the fact that the US spends billions of dollars each year in an effort to control illicit drugs. Even so, these same drugs can easily be bought anywhere in the country. With so many resources being brought to bear on limiting the availability of illicit drugs, the result is nowhere near 100% effective. I'm neither pro-gun or anti-gun, but I have no reason to believe that gun control laws will be effective. With newer technologies such as 3D printing and micro foundries, it'll be relatively simple to provide firearms to those that want them, regardless of any federal regulations.

 

The real issue here is that nobody seems to be interested in identifying and addressing the root causes of this kind of violence. Guns have been readily available of decades, yet these types of killings were extremely rare in past decades.  It would seem that over time, American society and culture have changed in a way that fosters this type of behavior. Many blame these incidents on mental illness, but if that's the case, then what's driving mentally ill people to commit these acts now?  While gun control might be a good start, what's needed to better address the problem is the identification of root causes with resources brought to bear on those causes. Unfortunately, problem solving techniques including common sense, thorough analysis and basic logic would most likely lead to conclusions that the vocal knee-jerk people on one end of the political spectrum don't want to hear because it's in conflict with their overall agenda.

Gun control may be a good first step, but then what? It seems that there's too much asking "what" (automatic weapons, high capacity magazines, etc) and not enough of asking "why". Without understanding the "why", the problem will never be solved.

[sirineou]

6 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Gun control is at best a band-aid solution. Will it help reduce this type of carnage? Definitely. Will it completely prevent it?  Absolutely not. It's incredibly naive to think that gun control laws will completely eliminate shootings

who thinks that it will completely  eliminate shootings?

10 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Gun control may be a good first step, but then what?

every journey starts with the first step.

 

I get what you are saying, but there is such thing as "the paralysis of analysis"

what we need now is triage.