Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[seasia]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

A rather new place in Soi Bukhaow : Blue Café

I am a fan, but maybe they take a risk, especially in the actual situation, they only play soft Jazz music.

 

Thanks for that.

 

That would make a pleasant change, rare to hear jazz in Pattaya.

 

Could you tell me roughly where it is on soi bukhao please ?

 

I'll try a visit.

[petermik]

9 hours ago, luckyluke said:

A rather new place in Soi Bukhaow : Blue Café

I am a fan, but maybe they take a risk, especially in the actual situation, they only play soft Jazz music.

 

Been open 5/6 months now and they play anything that,s on youtube if you request it...if you want heavy rock played loudly find somewhere else (next door Zero Bar has a band on and beer just 40 baht) as it,s nice these days to have a bar where you can have a beer and chat without shouting at each other 

[TaaSaparot]

3 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

Devil's Den has a new name. Are they closed now?

 

Been closed several months now.

 

They have been quoted as saying they will open in a new location sometime in the future.

 

Exotic is the name of the bar that has went into its spot.

 

There is photos in this thread.

[TaaSaparot]

Anyone mention the demolition of the Beer Bar Complex that included the popular Paddys Bar, on Pattaya Klang yet?

[polpott]

22 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

Anyone mention the demolition of the Beer Bar Complex that included the popular Paddys Bar, on Pattaya Klang yet?

Not demolition, major refurbishment.

[scubascuba3]

34 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

Anyone mention the demolition of the Beer Bar Complex that included the popular Paddys Bar, on Pattaya Klang yet?

That place always smelt of old Falang and fart when I walked past so I'd always drop one as I walked past because no one would notice

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, petermik said:

Been open 5/6 months now and they play anything that,s on youtube if you request it.

Didn't know that, every time I go ( daytime ) there is soft Jazz via Youtube.

The 2-3 other customers seems also pleased with this.

They should tell or advertise one can choose the music, maybe some customer leave after 1 drink, not being fond of this kind of music.

That's what I do where there is constantly  music I don't like.

 

To seasia : between Soi LK Metro and Soi Honey.

[rott]

2 hours ago, petermik said:

Been open 5/6 months now and they play anything that,s on youtube if you request it...if you want heavy rock played loudly find somewhere else (next door Zero Bar has a band on and beer just 40 baht) as it,s nice these days to have a bar where you can have a beer and chat without shouting at each other 

It's changed then, the one time I went the music blasted me (and others) out of the place after one drink. 

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

Anyone mention the demolition of the Beer Bar Complex that included the popular Paddys Bar, on Pattaya Klang yet?

It has..... missed that. It was where I sat for a couple of cheap ones at the evil hour waiting for my ride home.

[rott]

Wonderful 1 been in darkness for a few days. 

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It has..... missed that. It was where I sat for a couple of cheap ones at the evil hour waiting for my ride home.

Depressing place that, I felt miserable walking past it, old ladies sitting there because probably nowhere else to go and of course the musty smell

[jacko45k]

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Depressing place that, I felt miserable walking past it, old ladies sitting there because probably nowhere else to go and of course the musty smell

Yes a bit glum, but always super busy early on as I would cut through towards the old Pig and Whistle or Rosie's to have some food before hitting Walking St. I would somehow enjoy paying 50 baht for a beer at 3am or so there, and not be hassled for LDs, after the stark contrast of rip-off street. Easy for the Mrs to get to in the truck too!

Edited October 11, 2020 by jacko45k

[Leaver]

20 hours ago, SidJames said:

Everyone's getting pinged unless they pass the envelope, the coffers are empty so no favours for anyone.

Which only makes it more difficult to do businesses, in already difficult times.  It's ridiculous.  

[nausea]

23 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Which only makes it more difficult to do businesses, in already difficult times.  It's ridiculous.  

Yeah, I was wondering what the guys are gonna do with an ever reducing cake. Seems like they're staying true to form.

[Oldie]

18 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Which only makes it more difficult to do businesses, in already difficult times.  It's ridiculous.  

No, mostly the business owners bribe because they don't won't to obey the laws. They allow gambling, they allow customers to use drugs, the don't want to care about closing times, they don't have a liquor license, they don't have a music license or even no license at all. Clever business owners bribe several people and so it is not easy for a single officer to stop this. He might then have his colleagues as enemies. The best way to stop it is to close the business. It is the same with visas. People who can't get it legally often try to bribe the officers. The guy who wants to cheat starts this. And it is the same with businesses. 

[Leaver]

35 minutes ago, nausea said:

Yeah, I was wondering what the guys are gonna do with an ever reducing cake. Seems like they're staying true to form.

Tea Money go down, up the fines from enforcement.  Many systems here are designed that way.   

[Leaver]

34 minutes ago, Oldie said:

No, mostly the business owners bribe because they don't won't to obey the laws.

If it wasn't for corruption, businesses could not survive here.  They have made the laws / system that way, so everyone has to pay, or close the doors.  Remember the darts fiasco?  

 

Over the next 5 to 10 years, in my opinion, Thailand will see that the corruption here will send small hospitality business owners to their competition, mainly Vietnam.   

 

Between greedy Thai landlords and greedy police, and out dated and xenophobic visa laws, the writing is on the wall.  

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, nausea said:

Yeah, I was wondering what the guys are gonna do with an ever reducing cake. Seems like they're staying true to form.

Down to crumbs now and looking to make more of them from the survivors....

[polpott]

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

If it wasn't for corruption, businesses could not survive here.  They have made the laws / system that way, so everyone has to pay, or close the doors.  Remember the darts fiasco?  

 

Over the next 5 to 10 years, in my opinion, Thailand will see that the corruption here will send small hospitality business owners to their competition, mainly Vietnam.   

 

Between greedy Thai landlords and greedy police, and out dated and xenophobic visa laws, the writing is on the wall.  

I know of more than one bar owner in Pattaya who have always refused to pay the police. It hasn't affected their business in any way. I'm afraid the brown envelopes are an urban myth/barstool BS.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

I know of more than one bar owner in Pattaya who have always refused to pay the police. It hasn't affected their business in any way. I'm afraid the brown envelopes are an urban myth/barstool BS.

Interesting, I would expect them to get a bit of hassle. Shop houses or beer bars? Any common factor that may be helping them? Are they closing at midnight? Are the owners policemen, or have hi-so Thai friends?

Edited October 12, 2020 by jacko45k

[polpott]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Interesting, I would expect them to get a bit of hassle. Shop houses or beer bars? Any common factor that may be helping them? Are they closing at midnight? Are the owners policemen, or have hi-so Thai friends?

Both shophouses in Central Pattaya. They don't stay open till the wee small hours and, most importantly, no onsite rooms or particularly mucky stuff in the bar. One is a ladyboy bar, but doesn't break the law. Simple really, don't break the law, no need for brown envelopes, regularly break the law, be prepared to pay. The police try it on with most bar owners, most tell them to do one and don't see them again. Another factor for farang bar owners is don't try to work in the bar, not even to collect a few glasses. And keep your paperwork as straight as a die.

[rott]

4 hours ago, polpott said:

I'm afraid the brown envelopes are an urban myth/barstool BS.

Sorry but that isn't true. 

I am not saying bungs are 100% the norm but I know bar "owners" who've been told to pay up or......... 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, rott said:

Sorry but that isn't true. 

I am not saying bungs are 100% the norm but I know bar "owners" who've been told to pay up or......... 

If you are 100% legal why would you give bungs? 

[redwood1]

7 hours ago, polpott said:

I know of more than one bar owner in Pattaya who have always refused to pay the police. It hasn't affected their business in any way. I'm afraid the brown envelopes are an urban myth/barstool BS.

Urban Myth?......Hardly.......GoGo bars all pay.....Night clubs all pay.....Soi 6 bars all pay...Beer bars its hard to say? I am sure most do pay a little some thing at least they did pre Covid....The payments are just part of doing business in Pattaya....
There are so many codes and rules and regulations that if you got on someone's bad side...lookout......I think it would be better to just pay....  

Edited October 12, 2020 by redwood1

[Oldie]

12 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Urban Myth?......Hardly.......GoGo bars all pay.....Night clubs all pay.....Soi 6 bars all pay...Beer bars its hard to say? I am sure most do pay a little some thing at least they did pre Covid....The payments are just part of doing business in Pattaya....
There are so many codes and rules and regulations that if you got on someone's bad side...lookout......I think it would be better to just pay....  

Perhaps you watch too many Mafia movies. Why should they pay if they don't do anything wrong. There is no protection money like at the Mafia. 

[redwood1]

2 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Perhaps you watch too many Mafia movies. Why should they pay if they don't do anything wrong. There is no protection money like at the Mafia. 

Like I just said, they WILL find problems with your business if you don't pay...I guess if your business is squeaky clean you could avoid paying MAYBE.... 

[Andy from Kent]

5 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

11 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Perhaps you watch too many Mafia movies. Why should they pay if they don't do anything wrong. There is no protection money like at the Mafia. 

Like I just said, they WILL find problems with your business if you don't pay...I guess if your business is squeaky clean you could avoid paying MAYBE.... 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Andy from Kent
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[SidJames]

They are the mafia here.

There is no other version, no Thai/Sicilian tie up.

No little crews sipping expressos & discussing the meet with the Bangkok families.

If you tread the line then you will get attention & if you cross it then you most definitely will sooner or later.

Higher up then you will most likely need 'advice' from someone with military knowledge.

It's very hard to be a real fiscal success here without the 'help of a local partner'.

There may be cases that slipped through the net but for the most part it's a cost to business.

[polpott]

55 minutes ago, SidJames said:

They are the mafia here.

There is no other version, no Thai/Sicilian tie up.

No little crews sipping expressos & discussing the meet with the Bangkok families.

If you tread the line then you will get attention & if you cross it then you most definitely will sooner or later.

Higher up then you will most likely need 'advice' from someone with military knowledge.

It's very hard to be a real fiscal success here without the 'help of a local partner'.

There may be cases that slipped through the net but for the most part it's a cost to business.

You clearly don't know any bar owners or police officers here. I socialise with both. You spend too much time socialising with the barstool brigade.

Edited October 12, 2020 by polpott

[Nout]

On 10/4/2020 at 6:01 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Shows we are all different, I won't miss any of those. Good video though

I only knew one PBG.The rest were basically for footie fans out of their depth in SE Asia and lost without Premier League §híťè. Oh and get me started on hip hop and techno

Edited October 12, 2020 by Nout