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Britain's Queen could be asked to suspend parliament on Wednesday: BBC journalist

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Basil B
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Morally bankrupt act of desperation...    

Sticky Wicket
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Britain's whole Constitution is based on a consent to rule by the people.  The people must be heard and Brexit must be expedited

Sticky Wicket
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Suck it up!

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13 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

As far as I'm concerned, the people that voted for Brexit didn't care about the economy. They voted for "sovereignty" and "immigration". As shown on this thread, the Brexit camp doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the economy.

 

It's very telling that none of these Brexit supporters want to discuss the real reason they voted the way they did; sovereignty and immigration. I agree that immigration policy was far too lax and there are many places now where native-born Brits feel like they are living in a foreign country. The shear ungratefulness shown by the 7/7 bombers and immigrants trying to dictate how Britain should be run. This gets up my nose just as much.

But, I look at the immigration problems the same way I look at gun control in the USA.

Yes, something should have been done, but, the time for action was decades ago. That boat sailed long ago. It's far too late now.

Good comment!

 

I think we should also not forget to see the irony that all this is discussed in a Thai forum by people who mostly live in Thailand. We are the immigrants in Thailand. At least as some stage we were all happy that we were able to move to Thailand. Most of us like living here. And then there are others who complain that the government of the country they chose to live in does not do what they (the foreigners) think the Thai government should do.

The irony!

 

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cleopatra2 Silver Member

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9 minutes ago, vinniekintana said:

The suspension will backfire badly on Big Hair.

Maybe that's the idea.

Snafu upon snafu until an exasperated populace accepts a new referendum.

Problem-reaction-solution

 

My money is still on the no-Brexit outcome.

One possibility is that Parliament passes legislation preventing No Deal next week.

The government have no time to reverse the law due to prorugation.

No new deal forthcoming . BJ is required to either extend or bring back the WA

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Basil B Ruby Member

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5 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

Of course it does. If she agrees to help Boris avoid the democracy of the Parliament, then she is agreeing with Brexit. If she believes in the British democracy, the authority of Parliament, then she says nothing and lets things unfold as they should. Is she on the side of the People and the democratic system of government or is she supporting Brexit?

The Queen is following advise of her ministers...

 

But should the Queen receive a petition from parliament signed by over half of the MP's to annul the proroguing this could cause a constitutional crisis as Parliament has sovereignty over the government.

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Parliamentary sovereignty (also called parliamentary supremacy or legislative supremacy) is a concept in the constitutional law of some parliamentary democracies. It holds that the legislative body has absolute sovereignty and is supreme over all other government institutions, including executive or judicial bodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty

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This earlier post by teatree is excellent IMO.

 

"Parliament will still be able to table a vote of no confidence in the 1st week back before prorougation, and they will have a week to vote on any proposed deal after parliament recovenes in October.

What prorouging does help prevent is the proposal of amendments which would purely be a delaying tactic by remainers who seek to derail the whole Brexit process.  Rather than serve any practical purpose the amendments are just a sneaky way of kicking the can down the road so that an extention can be obtained and then another referendum/ revocation of article 50 can take place.

Remainers are the ones who are a danger to democracy."

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48 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Interesting comment.

I think the main difference between May and Boris is that May tried to reach an agreement between all involved (at least mostly). She was not able to reach an agreement but she knew people still have to live together after Brexit and the EU is still there after Brexit. The UK and EU have to work together somehow.

It seems Boris wants to win. "I did it, we left the EU with no deal." and "We won't pay." And then? How does that work for the future? Should the UK citizen just pretend there is no Europe? Or how about accepting reality that you need some agreements with your neighbors. And ripping up all existing agreements in the hope that sometime in the future things will somehow get better is just plain stupid.

I think the main difference between May and Boris is that May tried to reach an agreement between all involved (at least mostly). She was not able to reach an agreement but she knew people still have to live together after Brexit and the EU is still there after Brexit. The UK and EU have to work together somehow.

The main difference between May and Boris is May didn't want to leave the EU, Boris is respecting the referendum result and in all fairness it is not going down well with most remainers. 

You say May tried to reach an agreement between all involved, well that could have been her biggest mistake, if you try and please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. The referendum was a binary vote, you cannot have a bit of Brexit and a bit of remain, it has to be one or the other.

It is hoped that the EU and the UK can work together, I don't think any Brexiteer would want it any other way, but having to stand to attention when "Ode to Joy' is played would be a no no for most Brits, I would hope anyway.

When you say "Boris wants to win" we are not playing a game here, all he wants to do is to deliver what the referendum voters voted for, infact he is fighting also for the survival of the Tory Party, since he has taken over the reins from Mrs May the party has soared in public opinion, maybe the UK is getting some pride back in itself, much to the consternation of the remainers.

The UK will never pretend there isn't an Europe, why would you say such a thing, maybe another dig at us?

The EU are not prepared to listen to us in their club, maybe they might listen to us when we have left and they acknowledge that they also have hundreds of thousand jobs in jeopardy on their side of the channel at stake too.

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My main concern is that whilst this tactic should hopefully work well to stop remainer MPs from forcing yet another delay, and also ensure that the EU realises that they need to start genuinely negotiating - it may well also result in Boris bringing back the EU/May agreement with just a few alterations to the 'backstop' - which he will then claim as a 'triumph'.....

 

The 'new' agreement would then most likely be accepted (with great relief....) by parliament, even if it still included paying 37bn with no trade agreement etc. etc. ☹️

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dick dasterdly Senior Member

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57 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Interesting comment.

I think the main difference between May and Boris is that May tried to reach an agreement between all involved (at least mostly). She was not able to reach an agreement but she knew people still have to live together after Brexit and the EU is still there after Brexit. The UK and EU have to work together somehow.

It seems Boris wants to win. "I did it, we left the EU with no deal." and "We won't pay." And then? How does that work for the future? Should the UK citizen just pretend there is no Europe? Or how about accepting reality that you need some agreements with your neighbors. And ripping up all existing agreements in the hope that sometime in the future things will somehow get better is just plain stupid.

"I think the main difference between May and Boris is that May tried to reach an agreement between all involved (at least mostly)."

 

Disagree entirely.  May came up with an agreement that ONLY suited the EU.

 

Even the mostly remainer MPs realised that it was an appalling agreement!

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Re. the petition, I think this pretty much sums it up:-

 

"Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled."

 

i.e. - the remainers 'charter'.....

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Basil B Ruby Member

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48 minutes ago, <deleted> dasterdly said:

Re. the petition, I think this pretty much sums it up:-

 

"Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled."

 

i.e. - the remainers 'charter'.....

Exactly and Levers like you just can not face up to the fact they are a now a minority...

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1 hour ago, <deleted> dasterdly said:

My main concern is that whilst this tactic should hopefully work well to stop remainer MPs from forcing yet another delay, and also ensure that the EU realises that they need to start genuinely negotiating - it may well also result in Boris bringing back the EU/May agreement with just a few alterations to the 'backstop' - which he will then claim as a 'triumph'.....

 

The 'new' agreement would then most likely be accepted (with great relief....) by parliament, even if it still included paying 37bn with no trade agreement etc. etc. ☹️

Oh dear. The EU did negotiate, as did the UK. Where do you think the Back-stop originated from? The EU? After negotiations were completed, UK PMs rejected it. Therefore, it's the UK's move. Until they come up with a plan, the EU, quite rightly, won't start negotiations. Why should they? 

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10 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Sorry, but, I can't let this slip.

She is Queen Elizabeth I of the UK and Queen Elizabeth II of England.

If you're playing that game where does it leave her mother?

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7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

If you're playing that game where does it leave her mother?

While King George VI was alive she was called the Queen Consort.

When he died, she was known as the Queen Mother. She has never been one of England's ruling kings and queens.

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6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Doubtful & not within this limited timeframe.

Mp's can petition the queen to annul the proroguing ... 

 

Many have already written to the queen.

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10 minutes ago, the guest said:

Boris is right, this charade must stop. Procrastinating Politicians have been getting in the way of democracy for years.

Yes, revoke article 50.

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Remainers need to calm down and, ideally, get a grip. Especially if they are unhappy.

We know what happens when losers don't accept elections. The system grinds to a halt. There is no way forward. The country becomes a laughing stock. Everyone feels like sh*t. This is the worst possible situation. That's why losers must always accept defeat, in referendums, as in elections, as in cricket.

 

Be British and accept the vote. We are leaving the EU. If you still don't accept it, then you are not being British and your opinion is thereby worthless.

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