33 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

But the democratic process TODAY would reverse it - do you see the irony ?

 

Which is why brexiteers are desperate to get this over the line 

There isn't any irony, we have had a referendum and that is what we rely on, not Mickey Mouse polls. And yes don't you think that after over 3 years of mish mash we finally have a conclusion on this, or do you want to kick the can down the street forever because you don't agree with the result.

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

A brexit campaigner representing UKIP is welcome to carry on campaigning but he is not a group of MPs dedicated to using parliament to delay, fear monger and orchestrate a mass propaganda campaign. The latter is an abuse of power and has led to the neglect of other parliamentary business and individual constituents' needs. The labour party has betrayed its core voters.  Corbyn , a closet Brexiteer has betrayed both his principles and his voters.  No surprise there. Its what socialists do: ignore the will of the people and impose there own ideological rules on them.

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

There isn't any irony, we have had a referendum and that is what we rely on, not Mickey Mouse polls. And yes don't you think that after over 3 years of mish mash we finally have a conclusion on this, or do you want to kick the can down the street forever because you don't agree with the result.

I voted for BRINO for which I will be very happy if we get it - will you ? Remainers time afraid to hold your nose and back Boris whilst he covertly shafts the nut jobs. 

 

"I think by mid-September, there will be an attempt between Brussels and Boris Johnson's government to get a withdrawal agreement back on the table.

"Boris Johnson seems to think that if the backstop is removed, Theresa May's deal is absolutely fine. He literally wants to change about 1% of that deal that was rejected three times by parliament.

"As somebody who wants Brexit, I do not want the withdrawal agreement that costs us £39billion, that still leaves us subject to a foreign court.

"I'm worried that we could face a Theresa May-type 2 deal."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/nigel-farage-warns-brexiters-boris-johnson-deal/

 

 

 

Should it not  be the moment now for SinFein to go and take their seats anyway and give up the principals up for a higher purpose …? must be a nice time to oppose the DUP....( na.......  just wishful thinking....lol) maybe J.C can give them a call ..? 

BTW how many seats they are entitled if taken ?????

Just now, sunnyboy2018 said:

A brexit campaigner representing UKIP is welcome to carry on campaigning but he is not a group of MPs dedicated to using parliament to delay, fear monger and orchestrate a mass propaganda campaign. The latter is an abuse of power and has led to the neglect of other parliamentary business and individual constituents' needs. The labour party has betrayed its core voters.  Corbyn , a closet Brexiteer has betrayed both his principles and his voters.  No surprise there. Its what socialists do: ignore the will of the people and impose there own ideological rules on them.

Impose their own ideological rules?

You dont see the irony in that with a shutdown of parliament and the votes of people who voted for Brexit but not for no deal being hijacked by Brexit fundamentalists?

Seriously you dont see the irony there? 

2 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

If thats what you think you misunderstand democracy and know nothing of British Constitutional Law. Thus you contribute nothing to this discussion. 

Bizarre there it is again - so why worry about a second referendum? As the first vote was after being provided with zero information as to the implications, and now the public are more informed, thus the avalanche of polls which clearly show it would be reversed what have you got to be afraid of ?

 

That's democratic right ?

finally democracy prevails over political left wing clowns and eu political alcoholics the queen for god sake consented to close parliament until 14 of october. hence brexit will go forward and the left throws tantrums.

 

wbr

roobaa01

15 minutes ago, fishtank said:

The old bat is daft enough to do it.

It is nothing to do with taking sides. Its just carrying out her formal constitutional duties. She will agree to the request,  under advisement from her ministers. To do otherwise would cause a constitutional crisis and put the monarchy in jeopardy 

From the Express so must be true......

 

But, Mr Johnson’s pledge is yet to win over all Brexit supporters with Nigel Farage warning Brits to be sceptical of the Conservative Party leader’s pledges.

Mr Farage has also said that he will not form an alliance with the Tories while Mr Cummings is Mr Johnson's special adviser on leaving the bloc.

The Brexit Party leader has said Mr Cummings is “untrustworthy” and not a “true believer” in leaving the bloc.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Farage said: “The appointment of Dominic Cummings as Johnson’s special adviser in No10 means there is no prospect of such a deal.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1160122/Boris-Johnson-news-Dominic-Cummings-video-latest-Brexit-news-European-Union

 

Boris Johnson our best chance of remaining in all but name !

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

Johnson will apparently refuse to resign even if voted out next week and a new PM proposed. it will be up to the courts to throw him out.

What Brexit process are you talking about? Johnson seems hell bent on a no deal Brexit which none of the 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit chose.

Try reading something else in addition to the Guardian/Independent/BBC.

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

It is nothing to do with taking sides. Its just carrying out her formal constitutional duties. She will agree to the request,  under advisement from her ministers. To do otherwise would cause a constitutional crisis and put the monarchy in jeopardy 

Just like it became now ….

3 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

finally democracy prevails over political left wing clowns and eu political alcoholics the queen for god sake consented to close parliament until 14 of october. hence brexit will go forward and the left throws tantrums.

 

wbr

roobaa01

Good then we get BRINO and we can move on - clever folk are onto the wily liar Johnson there will be NO DEAL Brexit but he must make everyone believe that there will be to get the best DEAL that we can get. That word Deal .....

But the democratic process TODAY would reverse it - do you see the irony ?

 

Which is why brexiteers are desperate to get this over the line 

The desperation comes from the remainers attempting to use legislation to prevent legal default No Deal, you cannot remove a legal element.

 

As the EU is refusing to ‘conclude talks’ as per A50 it is they (Brussels) failures not the U.K.

 

The EU has simply sat on its hands, listened to advise from Brexit haters hoping TM would still be PM and HoC would eventually pass the WA. What they didn’t expect is Boris.

 

As I’m not most people, however the desperation is clearly from the remain side as time is very much running out of options for them, hence all the MSM faux outrage.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I look forward to the forthcoming TVF discussions on the inevitable legal challenge to this latest Brexit extremism.

 

 

I don't - another few thousand clichés, same ol same ol democracy denied etc etc (oh the irony)

 

but the one consistent - zero specifics !

1 hour ago, Slip said:

 

 I think poor ol' blighty has suffered enough for now, blame who you will.

 

 May i humbly suggest , Our Queen is suspended, she looks so tired  and drawn,  do her a big favour. 

   With no heir apparant to the throne ,  nobody wants the job . I think the end is nigh , for the royal charade.

I was a royalist , once uopn a time .

Time changes every thing,  even my opinion on our previosly valued democracy...

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Forethat said:

I'm REALLY good at this. 

Yet unable to differentiate between the 'PUBLIC' and 'CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS'

 

Are you sure ?

26 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Yet unable to differentiate between the 'PUBLIC' and 'CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS'

 

Are you sure ?

Yes, I'm REALLY sure.

 

You see, in UK you cannot vote for a PM candidate en general elections. The political party that wins the most seats in the House of Commons at a general election usually forms the new government. Its leader becomes Prime Minister (appointed by the Queen). It may come as a surprise to you, but it is in fact the public who votes in a general election.

 

Now, I know all of this is complex and difficult to understand for someone who's never contemplated this before. For this reason, I have been kind enough to look up the information on the Parliament web site. I suggest you spend some time to read and digest the information therein.

Good luck!

 

https://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/general-elections/

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

If we don't leave, it will be the end of democracy in the UK.

Boris Johnson is seeking to deny the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leaders of this DEMOCRACY - to ram through a process that was wanted by a slim majority three years ago but is no longer wanted according to every survey taken since.

 

Run that 'democracy' thing past us again please …...

9 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 May i humbly suggest , Our Queen is suspended, she looks so tired  and drawn,  do her a big favour. 

   With no heir apparant to the throne ,  nobody wants the job . I think the end is nigh , for the royals .

I was a royalist , once uopn a time . Time changes every thing ...

 

 

By the looks of things it will be El Presidente Boris.

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

parliament is representitive of the people,not to itself,thats called a dictatorship.

and the people don't want to leave now - however Boris is preventing their democratically elected representative from putting that forward, aka dictating - the word democracy slipped away from the leavers today !

2 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Boris Johnson is seeking to deny the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leaders of this DEMOCRACY - to ram through a process that was wanted by a slim majority three years ago but is no longer wanted according to every survey taken since.

 

Run that 'democracy' thing past us again please …...

But...the process he's running through IS part of democracy. YOU are part of the electorate that put the processes in place. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not democracy.

 

For heavens sake, get off the floor and wipe those tears off your face.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

 

Again you don't know that, purely speculation, I would turn the argument around and say that now people are more aware of the way the EU operates there would be more people voting to leave.

and yet every single survey, bar one, of the hundreds commissioned since have said the opposite - how weird is that ?

 

 

4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Embarrassment, with whom exactly, you, the other members of TVF, who I don't know?  I think you are mixing me up with someone who gives a (deleted) 

Your kind of reactionary comments on TV could have been written by a guy calling himself 'Oldairman' on 'the other paper''s site... Nah, probably not you though, as 'Pilotman' here and 'Oldairman' there would be very silly and too common for a self imbued redneck like you!

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Recent polls, ha ha ha, I'll stick with the definitive referendum result thanks.

(From 3 years ago) - That's convenient 

3 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

and yet every single survey, bar one, of the hundreds commissioned since have said the opposite - how weird is that ?

 

 

I'm totally flummoxed, think we had better stick with our surefire referendum result.

2 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

(From 3 years ago) - That's convenient 

Remainers held us back, it should have been done and dusted by now.

1 hour ago, citybiker said:

 

Correction: the pound plunged at 0936 GMT due to PM Proroguing Parliament announcement & since then has returned at lunchtime.

 

Balanced facts please.

 

 

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Did it return to pre-announcement levels ? 

 

That'll be a no

 

 

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

perhaps its because the "markets"[the shiny arsed spivs in the city]have sniffed an earner because of the pucker factor championed by the remainers

any Sun readers got a few mins to translate that for us please ?

Did it return to pre-announcement levels ? 
 
That'll be a no
 
 

That’ll be no reply to post #270


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54 minutes ago, vogie said:

There isn't any irony, we have had a referendum and that is what we rely on, not Mickey Mouse polls. And yes don't you think that after over 3 years of mish mash we finally have a conclusion on this, or do you want to kick the can down the street forever because you don't agree with the result.

Are they 'Mickey Mouse' polls because they go against you ?

 

Hardly democratic is it