Collapse us if you can, government dares Brexit opponents

[the guest]

Strange, they had since 2016 to short out a contingency plan for no-deal scenario, and now at almost the 11th hour they are only starting think about it? It makes you wonder what Parliament is for? Looks like they have been on recess for almost 3 years!

[oldhippy]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

My friend I'm European too and there is a certain amount of trolling leavers in my post. And not all Brits are the same. Please accept my hand of European friendship (no irony). I am ashamed of many of my fellow countrymen. 

555 I did understand the sarcasm.....

 

But really, if Europeans could vote on Brexit, I don't think the UK would stand a chance to remain.

Europeans want no more exceptions to labour laws, no more rebates, no more temporizing; euro and Schengen for all.

 

I never liked Charles de Gaulle too much, but he was right -in the sixties- when he twice told the UK:  N O N

 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

9 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

555 I did understand the sarcasm.....

 

But really, if Europeans could vote on Brexit, I don't think the UK would stand a chance to remain.

Europeans want no more exceptions to labour laws, no more rebates, no more temporizing; euro and Schengen for all.

 

I never liked Charles de Gaulle too much, but he was right -in the sixties- when he twice told the UK:  N O N

 

 

 

Don't give up on us just yet - mon ami. ????

 

[pegman]

Time to hit the streets with the first order of business being toss the old lady and the rest of that motley crue out of the Palace.  To the Tower with the bunch of them.  She has failed the people. J.C., it's for you to take your place in history in these Cromwellian times.

[Loiner]

And easy to see why the proles worship them with their Eton-toff fetish.  BoJo and Mogg are behaving rationally and in their own self-interest - probably can't believe they can get an impoverished underclass to help them, in that project. Project Stupid is indeed anything but. 

They hate the toffs and they hate the proles. So where do the Remainers place themselves? Above everybody else is the probable answer. They are the chattering classes and new labour - the scourge of the twenty first century.
Out voted by the masses and now out smarted by Boris!!

[smedly]

too funny 

 

we have a collection of people tried to install an unelected PM and yet they say Boris is unelected, he is who the current government voted as leader of the party

 

They say they don't want "no Deal" without actually explaining what that means, they had a chance 3 times to vote for a withdrawal "treaty" and rejected it

 

We haven't even got to the "Trade Deal" talks yet because the EU refused to talk about trade until we had left.

 

So lets get on with leaving and then we can talk about a "Trade Deal"

 

We want to stop no deal lol - 

 

SNP want to split Scotland from the UK - it has nothing to do with Brexit, they want independence and yet want to be ruled from Brussels - boiling it down in straight talk - it is republican with a twist of insanity- it's "we hate the English/UK we want to be free, it is Republicanism with a twist...…………..who does Scotland trade with ? the UK

 

LibDem - we will never respect any referendum no matter what - tin foil crew

 

LAB - which way is the wind blowing today - if it's towards No10 we will back it but tomorrow the weather could be different so we are looking to the clouds 

 

meanwhile 17.4 million people look on wondering - why did I go out and vote for my Nation to get out of this growing bureaucratic political (Now Military) Empire that I want no part of

 

We want a free trading nation - that is how it all started - what happened  

 

 

[smedly]

6 hours ago, RickBradford said:

Gotta love those nimrods walking around with placards saying "Defend democracy. Stop Brexit".

 

I suppose nobody learns arithmetic in the UK.

a lot of them look like foreigners 

 

People who voted to leave don't feel the need to go to the streets (as yet)

 

what I can't figure out is why they think they have a right to protest - we voted to leave the EU - after 3 years they still don't get it

 

we are not suddenly going to stop trading with the EU countries - we will continue unless they stupidly try to hurt us which quite frankly will not happen

 

we respectfully decided by a majority if 1.4 million people that we didn't like the direction the EU is taking - respect it

[smedly]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

are you talking about the withdrawal treaty or a trade deal - the EU refused to talk about a trade deal until we had left, unfortunately that is what T May agreed too which angered a lot of people - remember she said - nothing is agreed until everything is agreed - she caved and allowed the EU to dictate, that set the scene for the disaster that followed now for 3 years - T May was either a profuse liar or an idiot, but we are were we are 

[smedly]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Jacob William Rees-Mogg do have lot in common.

 

Their wealthy backgrounds, privileged upbringing, education at Eton and Oxford, etc., etc..

 

Plus, of course, Rees-Mogg's devious plotting to depose May which led to Johnson becoming PM.

 

Yes, very easy to see why Johnson rewarded Rees-Mogg.

yes can we please have T May back and give Corbyn the spare room in No10 - call it No10b - how much more of a complete cluster could the pair make of our "Great Nation (including Scotland)"

 

Boris is a breath of fresh air 

Edited August 29, 2019 by smedly

[smedly]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Sorry.

I am European.

I wish the British would <deleted> off.

The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

bye lol

[smedly]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Sorry.

I am European.

I wish the British would <deleted> off.

The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

oh forgot to mention - have you been to Greece for a holiday lately

[smedly]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

My friend I'm European too and there is a certain amount of trolling leavers in my post. And not all Brits are the same. Please accept my hand of European friendship (no irony). I am ashamed of many of my fellow countrymen. 

what are you going on about ??????

 

we are not going to stop trading or being friends with our EU neighbours - we love them all, we are just not going to be ruled from Brussels - don't you get it

 

I thought it was obvious

[RichardColeman]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

Yeah, and like the ones sitting on their backsides at home should be respected for not getting up and voting ? Typical remoaner response to losing. 

And as for the No deal bit ? Like to point out that a majority of MP;s voted for a possible no deal when triggering article 55 , whose default position without a deal is accepting no deal !!

 

[luckyluke]

We know what the British voters thought about Brexit 3 years ago. 

 

In the meantime the British people learned more about Brexit and the E.U..

 

We will never know how they would vote now, as there will be no 2d. referendum. 

 

Brexit will take place on 31 October 2019, based on a vote which took place on 23 June 2016, with the promises and facts from then. 

[AYJAYDEE]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

They hate the toffs and they hate the proles. So where do the Remainers place themselves? Above everybody else is the probable answer. They are the chattering classes and new labour - the scourge of the twenty first century.
Out voted by the masses and now out smarted by Boris!!

37% is the masses? lol

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

7 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough

Never a truer saying.

 

7 hours ago, oldhippy said:

to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

Not to worry the British are and we voted for us to leave the EU. 31st October 2019. Goodbye.

[Laughing Gravy]

7 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

My friend I'm European too and there is a certain amount of trolling leavers in my post. And not all Brits are the same. Please accept my hand of European friendship (no irony). I am ashamed of many of my fellow countrymen. 

You make it sound like we are building a wall around the UK and putting signs saying keep out which is nonsense.

 

I am ashamed my fellow countrymen lack backbone, strength and pride in its belief of trading and being outside the stranglehold of the EU.

 

You are lucky there are 26 other EU countries that you can go to if you are so ashamed. I would have to put up with the constant whining, rejecting the referendum result and selling their country down the river to the EU.

[Aforek]

11 hours ago, RickBradford said:

You don't know the mathematics or the logic.

 

Since 'No Deal Brexit' wasn't on the referendum paper, how could anyone have voted for it? ????

Because three years ago, nobody thought Brexit could be such a mess and a disturbance for us non British , so they didn't speak of " no deal "

[Baerboxer]

13 hours ago, RickBradford said:

Gotta love those nimrods walking around with placards saying "Defend democracy. Stop Brexit".

 

I suppose nobody learns arithmetic in the UK.

 

Democracy - like the right of people to change their minds especially when it so many lies have been exposed you mean?

 

Or is democracy only important if you like the result?

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, oldhippy said:

555 I did understand the sarcasm.....

 

But really, if Europeans could vote on Brexit, I don't think the UK would stand a chance to remain.

Europeans want no more exceptions to labour laws, no more rebates, no more temporizing; euro and Schengen for all.

 

I never liked Charles de Gaulle too much, but he was right -in the sixties- when he twice told the UK:  N O N

 

 

 

 

De Gaulle was an ungrateful racist who craved dominance for France. He quite rightly understood that the UK and Germany would likely prevent France cheating and bullying their own agendas and dominating other members. 

 

Which also explains Macron's eagerness to get the UK out.

 

At some point Germany will get fed up paying for French arrogance and self interest. Then the sparks will fly. Only this time the UK and the US are likely to leave them to it!

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, pegman said:

Time to hit the streets with the first order of business being toss the old lady and the rest of that motley crue out of the Palace.  To the Tower with the bunch of them.  She has failed the people. J.C., it's for you to take your place in history in these Cromwellian times.

 

Delusional post. Very few people in the UK would support a marxist terrorist supporting bunch of traitors and their extreme left-wing pressure group that have seized control of the Labor Party in such a ludicrous venture.

 

HMQ has no real power and has to follow the advice of her PM whether she likes it or not.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Baerboxer

[Pedrogaz]

This is truly fascinating. Read today that the proroguing of Parliament happens almost every year and indicated the end of the session....this proroguing started 3 days before the scheduled recess and ends 3 days after it....so there is only a net loss of 6 days. 6 days after parliament has messed around doing next to nothing for 3 years....I ask you. 

The problem with a vote of no confidence is that there is no time to hold an election....and polls indicate that the Tories will win (surprising after their total mismanagement of Brexit) but they will not command an overall majority, implying a coalition with the Brexit Party and DUP. They might even buy the Scots off with a commitment to another referendum on independence. 

The lacks of time and the need for a government to accept another extension from the EU really make it look like no deal is the way forward....they have to get rid of Boris within about 8 weeks and half of that time they will be prorogued. 

I was not a fan of Boris but I am very impressed with how he has taken command here and taken advantage of the petty squabbles among the opposition. Jo Swinson really blew it when about 10 days ago she refused to have Corbyn as interim PM if they collapsed the government. What an idiot the woman is. 

[Pedrogaz]

14 hours ago, bannork said:

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

 

 

Yadayadayada.....and only 35% voted to stay in the EU, so your point is what exactly?????

 

Everyone who voted for Brexit voted for a no deal Brexit. Look at the question....it is on wiki. It says "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

 

It asks nothing about deals.....it is simply in or out.

The possibility of deals came up after the referendum as a trick for Remainers to thwart democracy.

 

My own personal opinion is that they should now make a law that in any referendum, to alter the stats quo would need a majority of a certain size, say 10% or a 2/3 majority. But that isn't what the people were told or promised.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Pedrogaz
addition of text

[Pattaya46]

10 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Everyone who voted for Brexit voted for a no deal Brexit. Look at the question....it is on wiki. It says "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" //

Thanks to remind ThaiVisa's members that

the Referendum never talked about quitting the customs union or the single market ...

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Democracy - like the right of people to change their minds especially when it so many lies have been exposed you mean?

Or is democracy only important if you like the result?

Indeed, Cameron's bs about honoring the result left with him, it was not his to promise. The British Parliament is not tied by what any other has done before, otherwise we would never have repealed the corn laws. 

 

“A government which is frightened of parliament is frightened of democracy, and I hope that every member of parliament in feeling this humiliation will use every legal and constitutional weapon, to obstruct a government proposing to force on the British people a historic change for which they have long since lost any mandate. To abandon parliamentary scrutiny is a constitutional affront.  Britain has helped to change Europe from Fascist and Communist dictatorships to Parliamentary democracies, and now I am told by the leader and the cabinet, that we were all wrong – that we now must become some subordinate vassal state to the United States.”   Michael Hestletine.

I am reminded that whatever happens the weight of public opinion is now against Brexit, and this trend is only increasing with Demographic change. No deal Brexit now attracts under 25% support (Times, Sunday Times). Forcing through a change which is no longer the “Will of the people” is the act of a despot. That it is no longer the “Will of the people” is blindingly obvious from the fact that they are trying to force it through. Even the most deluded of Brexiteers must know this in their hearts. They have been rumbled, the lies we were told about Europe are out in the open for all to see. They may win the current battle, but they have lost the war. In the near future, if necessary, the youth can reverse Brexit, and rejoin.

   Take courage Mes braves, this is an act of desperation, making it totally clear that they are indeed running scared.

 

BTW anyone who wants to mention Hestletine's agricultural subsidies, don't bother, we have read it many times before, TV posters do have a boredom threshold. Rule out anyone with vested interests having an opinion, and the leaders of Brexit would be mute, among many others of course.

[Thingamabob]

Parliament has dragged it's feet on this for 3 years. Enough already. Time for all Brits to get behind their PM and get Brexit done. These never ending delays are bleeding us dry.

 

[MarineEquine]

16 hours ago, evadgib said:

Yet again 'TBW' is receiving wall-to-wall coverage before she has even licked the stamp while Robin Tilbrook is completely de-platformed:

 

It is quite obvious to anyone who has been following the Culture War that he has been deplatformed because the people in charge of Big Tech (Google, Facebook) are living in an echo chamber of "progressive" thinkers. 

He's not the only one. 

[MarineEquine]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Indeed, Cameron's bs about honoring the result left with him, it was not his to promise. The British Parliament is not tied by what any other has done before, otherwise we would never have repealed the corn laws. 

 

“A government which is frightened of parliament is frightened of democracy, and I hope that every member of parliament in feeling this humiliation will use every legal and constitutional weapon, to obstruct a government proposing to force on the British people a historic change for which they have long since lost any mandate. To abandon parliamentary scrutiny is a constitutional affront.  Britain has helped to change Europe from Fascist and Communist dictatorships to Parliamentary democracies, and now I am told by the leader and the cabinet, that we were all wrong – that we now must become some subordinate vassal state to the United States.”   Michael Hestletine.

I am reminded that whatever happens the weight of public opinion is now against Brexit, and this trend is only increasing with Demographic change. No deal Brexit now attracts under 25% support (Times, Sunday Times). Forcing through a change which is no longer the “Will of the people” is the act of a despot. That it is no longer the “Will of the people” is blindingly obvious from the fact that they are trying to force it through. Even the most deluded of Brexiteers must know this in their hearts. They have been rumbled, the lies we were told about Europe are out in the open for all to see. They may win the current battle, but they have lost the war. In the near future, if necessary, the youth can reverse Brexit, and rejoin.

   Take courage Mes braves, this is an act of desperation, making it totally clear that they are indeed running scared.

 

BTW anyone who wants to mention Hestletine's agricultural subsidies, don't bother, we have read it many times before, TV posters do have a boredom threshold. Rule out anyone with vested interests having an opinion, and the leaders of Brexit would be mute, among many others of course.

Demographic change that is being engineered by the people who want to see a One World Government which they can use to suppress opposition. 

Open your eyes. That's why Brexit and Trump 2016 happened. The "deplorables" (mostly white working class males) are telling you that they have had enough but remoaners and the left wing of the Democrat party have still to wake up to that fact. 

[cleopatra2]

17 hours ago, evadgib said:

Yet again 'TBW' is receiving wall-to-wall coverage before she has even licked the stamp while Robin Tilbrook is completely de-platformed:

 

Robin Tilbrkook case is going nowhere. 

The appeal was refused