Brexit hangs in the balance as EU doubts a deal this week

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

Here we go again blame the EU, They are in Brussels waiting for Boris.

Boris spent most of yesterday trying to come up with a deal that the ERG and DUP will accept, this is a guy who really believes Farther Christmases sledge is pulled by Unicorns and all those Tory MP's he F'ed Off the other week are going to vote for his deal when in reality the whole of the Tory party is falling apart like a clowns car at the circus.

Well if thats the case ,Corbyns Labour party have dissapeared up their own bum

[bert bloggs]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Maybe you should arm yourself with a clove of garlic and a crucifix.

And a tin hat

[DannyCarlton]

7 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Well if thats the case ,Corbyns Labour party have dissapeared up their own bum

Classic Brexiteer deflection. The post was about Johnson and the Tory party. You had no answer for it, so deflected to the Labour party. Same as proliferating the forum with smiley faces. You have no answer to people's posts so answer them with an adolescent smiley face. Pathetic. Brexiteers really don't have game.

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Classic Brexiteer deflection. The post was about Johnson and the Tory party. You had no answer for it, so deflected to the Labour party. Same as proliferating the forum with smiley faces. You have no answer to people's posts so answer them with an adolescent smiley face. Pathetic. Brexiteers really don't have game.

And your reply is a typical remainer deflection ,accusing us Brexiteers of it , want to carry on?,

[sandyf]

On 10/15/2019 at 4:34 PM, JonnyF said:

There's life outside the EU. Open your eyes. 

Of course there is.

 

And as Boris Johnson made new concessions to Brussels in the hope of securing a withdrawal agreement, a respected think tank warned that even if a deal is reached, the uncertainty and disruption of Brexit can be expected to drag on to the middle of the 2020s or beyond, with the danger of multiple no-deal cliff-edges along the way.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-economy-deal-boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-nhs-a9157461.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDNEWS%2316102019&utm_term=IND_Headlines_Masterlist_CDP

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

And your reply is a typical remainer deflection ,accusing us Brexiteers of it , want to carry on?,

I didn't accuse you of "it", I highlighted the facts of your replies. Bring it on.

 

 

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I didn't accuse you of "it", I highlighted the facts of your replies. Bring it on.

 

 

Bored now ,you can go and sit in "Hells garden" and cool down ,Bang Sean is nice this time of day .????

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, bert bloggs said:

Bored now ,you can go and sit in "Hells garden" and cool down ,Bang Sean is nice this time of day .????

Great idea but too busy today. maybe tomorrow!

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm sorry but you've fallen for the Brexiteer rhetoric. For argument's sake, let's take the value of the £ as an indicator of the state of the UK economy.

 

Immediately after the vote for Brexit, the £ fell like a stone. This wasn't due to "uncertainty", it was due to the prospect of the UK leaving the EU, causing irrevocable damage to the UK economy.

 

Currently, every time that there's the slightest prospect that we leave with no deal, the £ drops, every time a no deal exit seems less lightly, the £ recovers. This isn't due to "uncertainty", it's due to the certainty of the long term damage that a no deal exit would do to the UK economy.

 

Daniel Cummings will have you believe that the fragility in the economy and the low value of the £ is due to "uncertainty" and once we have left the EU, deal or no deal, everything in the garden will be rosey, the UK economy will flourish and the value of the £ will reach new heights. If this were true, why would the £ fall every time exit and particularly no deal exit looks more certain and rise when it seems less certain?

 

Don't listen to Cummings' lies, listen to the global economists, they deal in hard nosed facts, leaving the EU will be a disaster for the UK economy. They know this, so should you.

 

Uncertainty? My backside!

Yes, the pound did fall against all other currencies the day after the referendum, actually it had been falling for days before the referendum when it became clear the result could be leave,  but the value of the pound isn't the the only factor in our economy, other things like GDP, employment, wages, inflation also count.

 

As for uncertaity, we do not know if it will be Brexit with a deal, a no deal Brexit, another referendum, or Brexit abandoned.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Classic Brexiteer deflection. The post was about Johnson and the Tory party. You had no answer for it, so deflected to the Labour party. Same as proliferating the forum with smiley faces. You have no answer to people's posts so answer them with an adolescent smiley face. Pathetic. Brexiteers really don't have game.

Brexiteers are made of the stuff that made Britain 'Great' and will keep Britain 'Great. They thrive on turning uncertainty and adversity into achievements and success.

 

Remainers are ALL about uncertainty, doom and gloom and going cap in hand to Brussels asking, 'Please sir, may I have some more?" And that includes the ones in uncertainty denial.

 

BTW. who on Earth is Daniel Cummings when he's at home?

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Of course there is.

 

And as Boris Johnson made new concessions to Brussels in the hope of securing a withdrawal agreement, a respected think tank warned that even if a deal is reached, the uncertainty and disruption of Brexit can be expected to drag on to the middle of the 2020s or beyond, with the danger of multiple no-deal cliff-edges along the way.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-economy-deal-boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-nhs-a9157461.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDNEWS%2316102019&utm_term=IND_Headlines_Masterlist_CDP

The CER are worried about having to relocate out of London.

 

If you are talking about the IfG, they are speculating based on what? The 3-and-half years to get this far? Nobody has ever left the EU before so nobody can realistically predict that things can be 'expected to drag' into whenever. Nobody can realistically claim there will be any "multiple no-deal cliff-edges." I thought project fear was past its sell-by date already?

 

It's half-past ime for the training wheels to come off the bloody bike!

[Rookiescot]

18 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Brexiteers are made of the stuff that made Britain 'Great' and will keep Britain 'Great. They thrive on turning uncertainty and adversity into achievements and success.

 

Remainers are ALL about uncertainty, doom and gloom and going cap in hand to Brussels asking, 'Please sir, may I have some more?" And that includes the ones in uncertainty denial.

 

BTW. who on Earth is Daniel Cummings when he's at home?

Ah the old Brexit Dunkirk spirit ????

You know Dunkirk was a bloody disaster yes?

[samran]

31 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Brexiteers are made of the stuff that made Britain 'Great' and will keep Britain 'Great. They thrive on turning uncertainty and adversity into achievements and success.

 

No they aren't. They are all retired will be whinging why their pensions/dole haven't gone up and where is all that money the red bus promised them for the NHS. Should the be feeling slightly adventurous - they'll also be genuinely confused why after Brexit they aren't allowed to easily settle and retire in Spain anymore.

 

The ones who are genuinely going to make a difference now, the younger generation - have seen a great market of 400m people shut off to them, all by a soon to be dead generation.

[Thingamabob]

On 10/15/2019 at 3:24 PM, BritManToo said:

Well, only 15 days left now, it'll happen or Johnson will be gone.

He may well be gone, but he'll be back. Reported on LBC this am The Tories are polling 37%, Labour 22%. Even more remarkable Boris is polling 32% with young people under 30 years of age to Corbyn's 22%. Remarkable, and very bad news for Corbyn. Easy to see why Labour are using every excuse possible to avoid an election. They can't hide forever though. 

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the old Brexit Dunkirk spirit ????

You know Dunkirk was a bloody disaster yes?

In your eyes maybe,

 

 

I thought this one was better though.

 

 

but to me it alludes to...

 

29 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

...turning uncertainty and adversity into achievements and success.

And turning losses into VICTORIES!

[bannork]

11 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

He may well be gone, but he'll be back. Reported on LBC this am The Tories are polling 37%, Labour 22%. Even more remarkable Boris is polling 32% with young people under 30 years of age to Corbyn's 22%. Remarkable, and very bad news for Corbyn. Easy to see why Labour are using every excuse possible to avoid an election. They can't hide forever though. 

Labour need to change their leader.

[NanLaew]

14 minutes ago, samran said:

No they aren't. They are all retired will be whinging why their pensions/dole haven't gone up and where is all that money the red bus promised them for the NHS. Should the be feeling slightly adventurous - they'll also be genuinely confused why after Brexit they aren't allowed to easily settle and retire in Spain anymore.

 

The ones who are genuinely going to make a difference now, the younger generation - have seen a great market of 400m people shut off to them, all by a soon to be dead generation.

And there was me hoping that you were going to come up with something salient, up-to-date and overwhelmingly relevant instead of 'old people' and the ubiquitous 'red bus.'

 

I am used to disappointments though. Maybe you will get used to them too. Eventually.

[samran]

22 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

And there was me hoping that you were going to come up with something salient, up-to-date and overwhelmingly relevant instead of 'old people' and the ubiquitous 'red bus.'

 

I am used to disappointments though. Maybe you will get used to them too. Eventually.

I'll take you more seriously if you weren't the author of the 'plucky brit/right stuff' post...

 

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Brexiteers are made of the stuff that made Britain 'Great' and will keep Britain 'Great. They thrive on turning uncertainty and adversity into achievements and success.

 

Remainers are ALL about uncertainty, doom and gloom and going cap in hand to Brussels asking, 'Please sir, may I have some more?" And that includes the ones in uncertainty denial.

 

BTW. who on Earth is Daniel Cummings when he's at home?

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

He may well be gone, but he'll be back. Reported on LBC this am The Tories are polling 37%, Labour 22%. Even more remarkable Boris is polling 32% with young people under 30 years of age to Corbyn's 22%. Remarkable, and very bad news for Corbyn. Easy to see why Labour are using every excuse possible to avoid an election. They can't hide forever though. 

Corbyn is too old to be PM.

He should be too old to work at all in anything but clown world.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, samran said:

No they aren't. They are all retired will be whinging why their pensions/dole haven't gone up and where is all that money the red bus promised them for the NHS. Should the be feeling slightly adventurous - they'll also be genuinely confused why after Brexit they aren't allowed to easily settle and retire in Spain anymore.

 

The ones who are genuinely going to make a difference now, the younger generation - have seen a great market of 400m people shut off to them, all by a soon to be dead generation.

Stop panicking and calm down , things will be OK at the end isnt nigh

[david555]

Forget a deal in brussels , another extension it could be ….

 

 

Matthew Weaver

Thu 17 Oct 2019 08.10 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/17/dup-boris-johnson-brexit-deal

DUP says it cannot support Boris Johnson's Brexit deal

PM’s proposed deal suffers another blow as party objects to customs and VAT terms

 

The Democratic Unionist party is threatening to scupper the Brexit deal that Boris Johnson is on the cusp of agreeing with the EU.

On the morning of a crucial EU summit in Brussels, a joint statement from the DUP’s leader Arlene Foster and her deputy Nigel Dodds, explicitly says the party cannot support the deal that is close to being finalised.

The pound fell 0.5% against the dollar and the euro within minutes of the announcement.

 

more...

 

[SheungWan]

Don't agree for the obvious reason that a deal could well be passed by parliament. Whether that's true or not is irrelevant, but it's nearer reality than the above statement.

If its not true, then hardly obvious.

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[sanemax]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

If its not true, then hardly obvious.


 

The word "obvious" was in the first sentence .

The word "true" was in the second sentence .

[SheungWan]

He may well be gone, but he'll be back. Reported on LBC this am The Tories are polling 37%, Labour 22%. Even more remarkable Boris is polling 32% with young people under 30 years of age to Corbyn's 22%. Remarkable, and very bad news for Corbyn. Easy to see why Labour are using every excuse possible to avoid an election. They can't hide forever though. 

You mean like Hard Brexiteers avoiding a new referendum?

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[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, david555 said:

Forget a deal in brussels , another extension it could be ….

 

 

Matthew Weaver

Thu 17 Oct 2019 08.10 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/17/dup-boris-johnson-brexit-deal

DUP says it cannot support Boris Johnson's Brexit deal

PM’s proposed deal suffers another blow as party objects to customs and VAT terms

 

The Democratic Unionist party is threatening to scupper the Brexit deal that Boris Johnson is on the cusp of agreeing with the EU.

On the morning of a crucial EU summit in Brussels, a joint statement from the DUP’s leader Arlene Foster and her deputy Nigel Dodds, explicitly says the party cannot support the deal that is close to being finalised.

The pound fell 0.5% against the dollar and the euro within minutes of the announcement.

No, no, no... the fact that the DUP have concerns over how VAT accounting can be handled to everyone's satisfaction is far, far removed from anything scuppering anything.

 

Here's an extract from the official comment from the DUP (my emphasis)

 

"As things stand, we could not support what is being suggested on customs and consent issues and there is a lack of clarity on VAT.

We will continue to work with the government to try and get a sensible deal that works for Northern Ireland and protects the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom."

 

Straw clutchers... reading things that simply aren't there.

[david555]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

No, no, no... the fact that the DUP have concerns over how VAT accounting can be handled to everyone's satisfaction is far, far removed from anything scuppering anything.

 

Straw clutchers... reading things that simply aren't there.

it done over & out for the moment ….. next extension or nothing , I don't see any solution in this short few weeks day's

can not be done technically as 27 country heads have to be informed if ANY changes could be made to "sweeten" the DUP ...

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, samran said:

No they aren't. They are all retired will be whinging why their pensions/dole haven't gone up and where is all that money the red bus promised them for the NHS. Should the be feeling slightly adventurous - they'll also be genuinely confused why after Brexit they aren't allowed to easily settle and retire in Spain anymore.

 

The ones who are genuinely going to make a difference now, the younger generation - have seen a great market of 400m people shut off to them, all by a soon to be dead generation.

Still spouting the tired old cliches about Brexiteers? No wonder Remain lost the Referendum with such a poor understanding of the Leave demographic.

 

It's amazing that Remainers still haven't learnt that insulting people doesn't make them change their minds. Should you be fortunate enough to get another referendum, no doubt you'll be in a state of shock when Leave wins again. Maybe you should get out and talk to some Brexiteers face to face (no doubt you'd drop the insults when you're not hiding behind a keyboard) and find their real reasons for leaving. You might be surprised.

[brewsterbudgen]

So if the DUP and ERG reject Boris' deal, surely Brexit is finally over with. An indefinite extension and a non Tory government (scuppered by Farage!) and we can just revoke and remain.

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[soalbundy]

On 10/15/2019 at 1:58 PM, JonnyF said:

It's time to test how airtight the Benn (Dover) surrender act is.

 

Stop wasting more time negotiating with people who have no interest in reaching a mutually beneficial deal. Get ready for a clean break Brexit.

The EU has an interest in a deal but when they talk with BJ they have no idea if parliament will accept what was agreed upon. The DUP have just rubbished BJ's proposals so an extension is due, BJ's speaker has said the letter will be sent.

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Don't agree for the obvious reason that a deal could well be passed by parliament. Whether that's true or not is irrelevant, but it's nearer reality than the above statement.

 

37 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The word "obvious" was in the first sentence .

The word "true" was in the second sentence .

The 2 sentences obviously not connected to each other. ????????????