U.S. diplomat Sondland reverses impeachment testimony, says he knew of Ukraine quid pro quo

[Becker]

10 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The mental dexterity required to keep on defending Trump in the face of overwhelming evidence is truly something to behold.

Doesn't your head hurt trying to keep all the whataboutisms, deflections and just plain conspiracy theories going?

Sondland has literally done a u-turn on what he originally said with a moment of 'remembering' to confirm it was indeed QPQ (and is now the 3rd senior individual to do so) yet that still isn't enough for you guys.

Your boys are truly something else. 

Indeed. Here is another outlandish "defense":

 

Link: Lindsey Graham's Ukraine explanation will blow your mind

 

""What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to, they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo, so no I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not going to legitimize it."

OK, OK. So what we have here is this argument: The Trump White House is so disorganized that they couldn't possibly have quid pro quo'ed it! They are too incompetent! So therefore, this whole thing is a sham!"

 

Just another day in the Twilight Zone.....

[Becker]

 

Link: Trump asked for Barr to host news conference clearing him on Ukraine

 

[J Town]

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Sondland has literally done a u-turn on what he originally said with a moment of 'remembering' to confirm it was indeed QPQ

In order to avoid perjury charges, these "turn arounds" must be done during the same session in which they are being questioned. To do so after other testimony proves you wrong is anything BUT a "get out of jail free card." The only thing in his favor is whether or not, due to the pressure to get this impeachment done, they will charge him at this time. Not sure what the statue of limitation is, but I bet SONDLAND does and he's counting down the minutes!

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, BestB said:

There is no investigation into Biden and that is the point,

 

There is plenty of evidence out there already, it just gets dismissed with childish comments like "but but but" or some other nonsense,

 

As i said earlier, IF Dems had an inquiry into Biden as well, perhaps they would have been more successful and more people would have been willing to condemn Trump, but when one side is just as dirty , but whitewashes its wrong doings, more and more people will stick by Trump.

 

Even some delusional people here still believe Trump will be gone and mission achieved, which is FAR from what is happening

What evidence is out there?

13 hours ago, BestB said:

You do not think now leaked emails are good? Fact that Biden is flip flopping now is not good enough? Perhaps if Schiff did open an investigation, more could be found? Perhaps now that it is going public more will be found?

What leaked emails?  What Biden flip flops?

 

As has been mentioned, the Trump loyalist Barr runs the Justice Department and the Republican Moscow Mitch runs the Senate.  If there was any remotely credible evidence that Joe Biden had done anything improper one or both would have begun an investigation.

[bristolboy]

41 minutes ago, Becker said:

Indeed. Here is another outlandish "defense":

 

Link: Lindsey Graham's Ukraine explanation will blow your mind

 

""What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to, they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo, so no I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not going to legitimize it."

OK, OK. So what we have here is this argument: The Trump White House is so disorganized that they couldn't possibly have quid pro quo'ed it! They are too incompetent! So therefore, this whole thing is a sham!"

 

Just another day in the Twilight Zone.....

This is like saying if you shoot at somebody and hit them, it's a crime. But if you shoot at somebody and miss, then no harm no foul.

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

Indeed. Here is another outlandish "defense":

 

Link: Lindsey Graham's Ukraine explanation will blow your mind

 

""What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to, they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo, so no I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not going to legitimize it."

OK, OK. So what we have here is this argument: The Trump White House is so disorganized that they couldn't possibly have quid pro quo'ed it! They are too incompetent! So therefore, this whole thing is a sham!"

 

Just another day in the Twilight Zone.....

I saw that and it's pretty amazing that Graham is essentially saying "Trump and Rudy are too stupid to engineer an actual quid pro quo!" 

 

Strangely, that's probably the most believable defense Trump has. 

[candide]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

An investigation into Biden would have to be initiated by your favourite AG, Barr. Why do you think he has not done so? IMO: because there4 is nothing there, and that conclusion would be really bad for Trump. Better to keep the status quo so the Trump campaign can keep on pointing fingers at Biden.

 

Do you have any other ideas why Barr is not investigating Biden?

It's been explained to him many times, with factual arguments, links to statements by IMF , EU and Ukrainian officials.

Yet he will go on repeating this claim over and over.

And don't ever expect any answer as to why Trump did not use the legal way.

[mikebike]

20 hours ago, BestB said:

No, its all about not pretending and deflecting that other side was/is innocent.

 

Dems would have had much more success if they also opened an investigation into Biden to show it is really about fighting corruption, instead of denying and whitewashing what Biden did.

 

And clearly with more and more evidence of Biden lying some still  insist on deflecting, instead of acknowledging Dems are just as corrupt and dirty as Trump and his administration.

 

 

In general, they, and traditional republicans, are just more sophisticated at the corruption game.

[mikebike]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes it's gotten to the point of wondering what those loyal republican senators see in him. Assuming it's all selfish, what's in it for them to stick with such a LOSER that's about to be impeached in the house based on the most serious charges against a president in American history. One man is that important? 

Rupublicans are not fond of breaking rank. It has served them well in the past.

[TopDeadSenter]

Poor Gordon just can't get a break. After his thorough humiliation on the stand and being forced to admit he only had a "presumption" of quid pro quo as the impeachment case imploded, his life now gets even worse. He joins the me too list of sexual abusers. Ooooops!

 

"Solis alleges Sondland exposed himself to her and 'shoved his tongue down [her] throat' in 2008 during a business interaction "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7733077/Gordon-Sondland-accused-sexual-misconduct-retaliation-three-women.html

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Poor Gordon just can't get a break. After his thorough humiliation on the stand and being forced to admit he only had a "presumption" of quid pro quo as the impeachment case imploded, his life now gets even worse. He joins the me too list of sexual abusers. Ooooops!

 

"Solis alleges Sondland exposed himself to her and 'shoved his tongue down [her] throat' in 2008 during a business interaction "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7733077/Gordon-Sondland-accused-sexual-misconduct-retaliation-three-women.html

Yeah he is joining trump.

[mtls2005]

4 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He joins the me too list of sexual abusers. Ooooops!

 

Like the president.

 

6 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

his life now gets even worse.

 

Interesting that Ambassador Sondland remains on the job.

 

Assume the refurbishments of the residence in Brussells will continue.

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

Looking at polls would suggest that the Impeachment Schizzle has begun to lose its sizzle,

and beginning to fizzle.

 

Lots of hemming and hawing by some Dems now. Independent voters are letting their feelings be known.

Edited November 28, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[Tug]

25 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Looking at polls would suggest that the Impeachment Schizzle has begun to lose its sizzle,

and beginning to fizzle.

 

Lots of hemming and hawing by some Dems now. Independent voters are letting their feelings be known.

50% for impeachment and removal that’s not good and all this turmoil because Donald wants to slander a political rival now he continues to regurgitate russan disInformation (Ukraine did it)no I don’t see any fizzle 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Looking at polls would suggest that the Impeachment Schizzle has begun to lose its sizzle,

and beginning to fizzle.

 

Lots of hemming and hawing by some Dems now. Independent voters are letting their feelings be known.

Maybe this link will help. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/net-support-for-impeachment-grew-steadily-during-us-congressional-hearings-poll-shows-idUSKBN1Y02MO

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Looking at polls would suggest that the Impeachment Schizzle has begun to lose its sizzle,

and beginning to fizzle.

 

Lots of hemming and hawing by some Dems now. Independent voters are letting their feelings be known.

Or this.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/daily-presidential-tracking-poll/ar-AADKLI1

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Like the president.

 

 

Interesting that Ambassador Sondland remains on the job.

 

Assume the refurbishments of the residence in Brussells will continue.

 

 

he did contributed to Trump with more than a million USD,... that can buy him some extra time

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Or this.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/daily-presidential-tracking-poll/ar-AADKLI1

 

Stay strong...disappointment hurtling down the pike, headed straight for you.

Undisputed viewership data shows impeachment hearings were a big flop.

Dems want him impeached, Republicans don't.

Independents are the swing vote and they care about getting stuff done

so their lives will improve.

Impeachment hearings were a joke....a clown show of whispers, presumptions and 

the superhuman ability to hear entire mobile phone conversations from a dozen feet away....

identifying the president's voice and every word he said....while NOT on speakerphone.

LOL!

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

the superhuman ability to hear entire mobile phone conversations from a dozen feet away....

identifying the president's voice and every word he said....while NOT on speakerphone.

LOL!

not dozen feet away. the guys were sitting across from each other and Trump's voice easy to recognize/ identify with his whining speech tone, no need for speakerphone when it's Trump speaking/whining

[JHolmesJr]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

not dozen feet away. the guys were sitting across from each other and Trump's voice easy to recognize/ identify with his whining speech tone, no need for speakerphone when it's Trump speaking/whining

surely you saw Chris Cuomo demonstrate this superhuman hearing phenomenon live on CNN..and

how badly his demo flopped...lol

 

go to 4:15"

 

 

[Becker]

Link: In a huge blow to Trump, DOJ watchdog found no evidence to support the claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 campaign

 

Another lie debunked.

[tlandtday]

Sondland a liar through and through. Changed his testimony after memory refreshed.  Can it get any more corrupt?  Jail Sinland.

Edited November 28, 2019 by tlandtday

[candide]

8 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Sondland a liar through and through. Changed his testimony after memory refreshed.  Can it get any more corrupt?  Jail Sinland.

He's Trump's aquaintance so no wonder he may be corrupt. However he is not stupid enough to lie under oath. 

[muzley]

Interesting article from NYT.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/upshot/democratic-trump-voters-2020.html

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

surely you saw Chris Cuomo demonstrate this superhuman hearing phenomenon live on CNN..and

how badly his demo flopped...lol

 

go to 4:15"

 

 

I did so and can't compare Trump whining high tone voice to Cuomo's mother soft voice but again you don't have to agree, facts speak, my wife speaks to her mother on a different room from where I am staying and 6-7 feet away I still hear the in law speaking, her tone it's very similar to Trump

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

I did so and can't compare Trump whining high tone voice to Cuomo's mother soft voice but again you don't have to agree, facts speak, my wife speaks to her mother on a different room from where I am staying and 6-7 feet away I still hear the in law speaking, her tone it's very similar to Trump

I'm sorry that your in-law sounds like a whiny b****h

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

surely you saw Chris Cuomo demonstrate this superhuman hearing phenomenon live on CNN..and

how badly his demo flopped...lol

 

go to 4:15"

 

 

Sitting in a noisy bar i can hear a conversation on the phone. Though not some people. Depends who is talking and the evidence is that it was so loud sondland had to move the phone away from his ear.

 

Some people dont need speaker phone at all.

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Sondland a liar through and through. Changed his testimony after memory refreshed.  Can it get any more corrupt?  Jail Sinland.

Yes. Giuliano, pompeo and trump.

 

Quid pro quo is a legal term trump wouldnt have the intelligence to know or understand.

 

2 days before that phone call trump was briefed on the whitleblower report so made a point of saying what his lawyers told him to say.

[JHolmesJr]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Sitting in a noisy bar i can hear a conversation on the phone. Though not some people. Depends who is talking and the evidence is that it was so loud sondland had to move the phone away from his ear.

 

Some people dont need speaker phone at all.

 

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

I did so and can't compare Trump whining high tone voice to Cuomo's mother soft voice but again you don't have to agree, facts speak, my wife speaks to her mother on a different room from where I am staying and 6-7 feet away I still hear the in law speaking, her tone it's very similar to Trump

 

amazing...and you call trump supporters dishonest! Holmes is the laughing stock of the US right now.

Edited November 28, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[Mavideol]

11 minutes ago, Becker said:

I'm sorry that your in-law sounds like a whiny b****h

and so am I  555..... but her daughter is ok