Republicans want Hunter Biden, whistleblower to testify in open hearings

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Sorry, but it would be a VALID subpoena, and the whistleblower can't claim executive privilege.  He made his bed and he can lie in it.

He followed legal procedure. He is protected.

 

why are subpoenas now not valid?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Bit late to worry about that. The fake Adam Schiff summary of Trump's call put this latest witch hunt into realms of bizarre fantasy far beyond any mere clown show.

 

Can't wait until they drag up the Bidens and Schiff to testify, this will be hilarious!

The summary of Trump’s call was provided by the WH and doctored by the WH before release.

 

Do at least try to keep up.

[RideJocky]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The summary of Trump’s call was provided by the WH and doctored by the WH before release.

 

Do at least try to keep up.

Adam Schiff’s version was a little different. 
 

Do at least try to keep up

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

From what I hear on Fox news (get it free here)  GOP is basically saying Ukraine did eventually get the aide so whatever Trump said to Ukraine doesn't matter....paraphrasing. 

Economy robust, unemployment lowest in many years, etc... 

Move on, senate will vote down impeachment anyway. (what they say on Fox again) 

Unfortunately most likely how it will go in senate.  

As you say, all the while GOP still pretending U.S. is the greatest democracy

 

Does Fox mention anything about the future what might happen if Trump gets away with this?

Will the GOP stand against him if he would demand special deals for new Trump towers all over the world?

Would they wake up if he would demand 10% to his own account from the receiver of any money from the USA?

 

I understand that some "mistakes" don't really change the world. But is that a reason to allow him to do what he wants? And then more and more of the same? Maybe in two years he will change the rule that Presidents can only stay for 8 years. Who will hold him back then?

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

You mean Hunter the son of the Vice President who knows nothing about Energy being on the board of a Ukrainian company?  who's father quid pro quo threatened Ukraine to withdraw 1b in aid unless they sack a prosecutor investigating his son's company? You don't think THAT is relevant?  wow just wow

It's absolutely not relevant. The impeachment inquiry is about Trump's wrong-doing. Allegations of wrong-doing by others, even if they were true, are totally irrelevant.

 

It's like a person accused of a burglary going into court and saying, "Yeah, but what about this other guy I know? He broke into someone's else's house." 

 

If there were any prima facie evidence that either of the Bidens did anything illegal (there isn't) it should be investigated by the FBI/DOJ and if there's help needed from a foreign government, the State Dept should liaise with them.

 

It's entirely inappropriate (and as we're seeing, potentially impeachable conduct) for a President to unilaterally decide to extort a foreign leader into investigating a political rival.

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Schiff said that afterwards, after he got caught lying.

That's totally incorrect. The remarks I quoted, are what Schiff said immediately before launching into his parody version of Trump's phone call.

 

Here are those remarks in a fuller connect:

 

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Schiff, Sept. 26: "It reads like a classic organized crime shakedown. Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates.

 

We’ve been very good to your country, very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what? I don’t see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you though. And I’m going to say this only seven times so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand. Lots of it. On this and on that. I’m going to put you in touch with people, not just any people, I am going to put you in touch with the attorney general of the United States, my Attorney General Bill Barr. He’s got the whole weight of the American law enforcement behind him. And I’m going to put you in touch with Rudy. You’re going to love him. Trust me. You know what I’m asking. And so I’m only going to say this a few more times. In a few more ways. And by the way, don’t call me again. I’ll call you when you’ve done what I asked.

 

This is in sum and character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine." 

 

[spidermike007]

Sure they do. They want any distraction possible to deflect from the bad news, that Don Donald has committed multiple felonies, has betrayed his nation, has committed treason (which would be punishable by death in many nations), and has put getting re-elected before the national security of the nation, and the good of the people. 

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

You mean Hunter the son of the Vice President who knows nothing about Energy being on the board of a Ukrainian company?  who's father quid pro quo threatened Ukraine to withdraw 1b in aid unless they sack a prosecutor investigating his son's company? You don't think THAT is relevant?  wow just wow

Yeah, if it actually happened it would be totally relevant.

 

But it didn't so it isn't.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

You think the whistle-blower being a well known Dem supporter is not relevant? 

In your partisan bubble world, yes.

 

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

you think employees, who serve at the Presidents pleasure, should skulk around like cowards spewing untruths and not be held accountable?  not be challenged? 

You mean the White House sycophants that are running and talking in circles? Like Mulvaney's farcical joust with Chris Wallace on Fox. When you tell a lie and then deny that you ever lied and then use another lie to explain the first lie that you've already denied you said...  these guys you mean?

 

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

you don't think POTUS has the right to ask for information about the VP's cocaine son working for millions with zero experience? what are you on?

See my first answer above.

 

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Yeah, if it actually happened it would be totally relevant.

 

But it didn't so it isn't.

Even if it did happen it it irrelevant.

[Laza 45]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Bit late to worry about that. The fake Adam Schiff summary of Trump's call put this latest witch hunt into realms of bizarre fantasy far beyond any mere clown show.

 

Can't wait until they drag up the Bidens and Schiff to testify, this will be hilarious!

The fake Adam Schiff summary ...??.. what conspiracy theory site did you get that one from?

[Kelsall]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That's totally incorrect. The remarks I quoted, are what Schiff said immediately before launching into his parody version of Trump's phone call.

 

Here are those remarks in a fuller connect:

 

 

So is this "impeachment inquiry" a joke or not?  It's got to be one or the other.

[Kelsall]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

He followed legal procedure. He is protected.

 

why are subpoenas now not valid?

Not protected at all.  The law says the IG can't reveal his identity.  He's been unmasked and is fair game now.  He should have known this would happen. 

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

You mean Hunter the son of the Vice President who knows nothing about Energy being on the board of a Ukrainian company?  who's father quid pro quo threatened Ukraine to withdraw 1b in aid unless they sack a prosecutor investigating his son's company? You don't think THAT is relevant?  wow just wow

Except the prosecutor wasn't investigating Burisma. In fact, the Ukraine legislature, anti corruption NGO's and the local anti-corruption movement was pushing to have him fired for not pursuing investigations of corruptions. The only person parties who didn't want to fire him was Poroshenko and his fellow oligarchs whom Shokin was clearly protecting. The only prosecutions Shokin pursued with zeal was Ukraine's biggest anti-corruption NGO and other Ukrainian prosecutors who were going after Shokin's prosecutors on grounds of corruption. His people had been found to be in possession of large amounts of jewels and gold which they couldn't account for.

[Sujo]

32 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

So is this "impeachment inquiry" a joke or not?  It's got to be one or the other.

Hows the evidence going? Care to comment on the facts?

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Except the prosecutor wasn't investigating Burisma. In fact, the Ukraine legislature, anti corruption NGO's and the local anti-corruption movement was pushing to have him fired for not pursuing investigations of corruptions. The only person parties who didn't want to fire him was Poroshenko and his fellow oligarchs whom Shokin was clearly protecting. The only prosecutions Shokin pursued with zeal was Ukraine's biggest anti-corruption NGO and other Ukrainian prosecutors who were going after Shokin's prosecutors on grounds of corruption. His people had been found to be in possession of large amounts of jewels and gold which they couldn't account for.

They know this but refuse to understand facts. Its like trying to talk sense to a flat earther. 

[ricklev]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Schiff did not quote Trumps incomplete transcript. You should know this by now. He totally made up a fake call between the leaders. This reckless act by a desperate Schiff will do to the impeachment saga what the grounding mast did to the Hindenburg. As a sample from the fiction that this witch hunt is based on.

 

"But you know what? I don’t see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you though. And I’m going to say this only seven times so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand. Lots of it."

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/schiffs-parody-and-trumps-response/

Delete

 

[Sujo]

38 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Not protected at all.  The law says the IG can't reveal his identity.  He's been unmasked and is fair game now.  He should have known this would happen. 

How is the whistleblower relevant?

 

You want hearsay as evidence? You think hearsay evidence is acceptable? when there is first hand evidence?

 

He has not been unmasked. His identity is not known in the public. Some have tried to guess but its not confirmed. So you are happy to go after a guy who is only thought may be the whistleblower.

 

i note you do not have the same low standard regarding trump.

 

So how is the evidence going. Care to comment on the actual evidence or happy to just stick to irrelevant matters that will have no bearing on the impeachment.

[Kelsall]

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How is the whistleblower relevant?

 

You want hearsay as evidence? You think hearsay evidence is acceptable? when there is first hand evidence?

 

He has not been unmasked. His identity is not known in the public. Some have tried to guess but its not confirmed. So you are happy to go after a guy who is only thought may be the whistleblower.

 

i note you do not have the same low standard regarding trump.

 

So how is the evidence going. Care to comment on the actual evidence or happy to just stick to irrelevant matters that will have no bearing on the impeachment.

What evidence?  Everything's going on behind closed doors with selective leaking by the Dems.  Even a Dem congressman on TV said he did not know how he would vote on impeachment because he has yet to see the evidence.  They need to get Joe and Hunter Biden, as well as the whistleblower and Adam Schiff to give public testimony.  Then we will get to the bottom of what really happened.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

What evidence?  Everything's going on behind closed doors with selective leaking by the Dems.  Even a Dem congressman on TV said he did not know how he would vote on impeachment because he has yet to see the evidence.  They need to get Joe and Hunter Biden, as well as the whistleblower and Adam Schiff to give public testimony.  Then we will get to the bottom of what really happened.

The investigation has now moved to public testimonies. 

 

Enjoy.

[rabas]

38 minutes ago, ricklev said:

Delete

 

Push harder, it's not working.

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

If putting Hunter and the whistleblower on the stand doesn't happen here, it will in the Senate, assuming it even gets there. 

To put the whistleblower on the stand, either in the House, or in the Senate, or to expose his/her identity would be against the law. I suppose for some acting against the law of the country is OK.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

What evidence?  Everything's going on behind closed doors with selective leaking by the Dems.  Even a Dem congressman on TV said he did not know how he would vote on impeachment because he has yet to see the evidence.  They need to get Joe and Hunter Biden, as well as the whistleblower and Adam Schiff to give public testimony.  Then we will get to the bottom of what really happened.

Keep up with the news. Transcripts of previous testimonies have been made public. They also include answers to questions asked by GOP commissioners.

[Sujo]

18 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

What evidence?  Everything's going on behind closed doors with selective leaking by the Dems.  Even a Dem congressman on TV said he did not know how he would vote on impeachment because he has yet to see the evidence.  They need to get Joe and Hunter Biden, as well as the whistleblower and Adam Schiff to give public testimony.  Then we will get to the bottom of what really happened.

Why do they need bidens and schiff, did trump try and get them to act illegally on his behalf also?

 

transcripts of the evidence is available. But I doubt trump supporters care what hes been up to.

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Ok try a different way. Why can't POTUS with hold the charity they give a country?  nothing wrong in using aid to get information on the ex-VP's cocaine loving son being on the board AND his father getting the prosecutor sacked (for AID). Totally RELEVANT.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why didn't Trump and company disclose the reason for it openly? Why are they still denying it?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Schiff said that afterwards, after he got caught lying.

 

Schiff has said many times how serious this "impeachment" is.  Yet he later said his comments were parody. a joke.  Total BS. Put him under oath.  The R's have the right idea.

I like the idea of putting him under oath but only if Trump is under oath and examined as well. Democracy is a two way street.

[Tippaporn]

35 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

To put the whistleblower on the stand, either in the House, or in the Senate, or to expose his/her identity would be against the law. I suppose for some acting against the law of the country is OK.

All of what your wrote is pure BS.  Only the IG is prohibited from revealing his identity.  Neither is he protected from taking the stand.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

 

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=29&f=treesort&fq=true&num=125

 

If you have legal sources to back your nonsense post it.  

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

All of what your wrote is pure BS.  Only the IG is prohibited from revealing his identity.  Neither is he protected from taking the stand.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

 

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=29&f=treesort&fq=true&num=125

 

If you have legal sources to back your nonsense post it.  

So you are saying trump and repubs just dont have the balls to name him.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

Rep. John Kennedy gets to the core of the issue surrounding this impeachment scam.

 

Trump asked Zelensky to investigate corruption because either a) he wanted to harm his political rival or b) he wanted to investigate legitimate corruption by a political rival.  Of course that only addresses the aspect of requesting an investigation into the Bidens.  Trump also wants the genesis of the Russia hoax investigated.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

So you are saying trump and repubs just dont have the balls to name him.

 

Where did I say that, Sujo?