Democrats release new batch of testimony from Trump impeachment inquiry

[Becker]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Public hearings start tomorrow.

 

Enjoy.

Popcorn will be prepared. Expect a Twitter sh!tstorm from Putin's boy in the WH.

[Becker]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

We don't use your common core math, Chomper.  2 + 2 still equals 4 for us.

Us? You mean base Trump supporters??

Priceless!

 

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Public hearings start tomorrow.

 

Enjoy.

LOL.  You announce it as if you think we're quaking in our boots and pooing in our pants while simultaneously wetting our leg.

 

Chomper, I've said it many times that I truly look forward to the public hearings.  The Dems have opened Pandora's box and I'll delight in seeing how they'll destroy themselves.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Good job, johhny!!  You really got me that time.  No kidding.  You really did.  Kudos.  Vindman should gift his purple heart to you.  But you did forget to include one small, insignificant fact:  There was no quid pro quo.

Ok one more time for the people at the back of the room - 

Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union in a dramatic u-turn testified that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted after he “refreshed” his recollection.

 

Bill Taylor, U.S. charge d’affaires for Ukraine told Congress that "it was becoming clear" to him that a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian President "was contingent upon the investigation of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections,”

 

And last but not least, decorated army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs for the National Security Council- who was listening to the call - said he had “no doubt” that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rival, according to the transcript. He also said he reported his concerns to the National Security Council’s top lawyer because he was so “concerned.”
 

For the hard of hearing “contingent upon” and “pressuring “ (Big words I know) means quid pro quo. 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ok one more time for the people at the back of the room - 

Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union in a dramatic u-turn testified that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted after he “refreshed” his recollection.

 

Bill Taylor, U.S. charge d’affaires for Ukraine told Congress that "it was becoming clear" to him that a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian President "was contingent upon the investigation of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections,”

 

And last but not least, decorated army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs for the National Security Council- who was listening to the call - said he had “no doubt” that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rival, according to the transcript. He also said he reported his concerns to the National Security Council’s top lawyer because he was so “concerned.”
 

For the hard of hearing “contingent upon” and “pressuring “ (Big words I know) means quid pro quo. 

Don’t forget Pentagon senior officer Laura Copper’s testimony that Trump didn’t released the military aid and it was Bolton who went behind Trump’s back to authorize the release. He saw the illegal obstruction of the aids and decide to do the right thing. He then resigned. 

[riclag]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Pentagon official testifies Trump directed freeze on aid to Ukraine

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pentagon-official-testifies-trump-directed-freeze-aid-ukraine-n1080256

2 key takeaways from this article.

1)The withholding of aid was done illegally

2)The Ukrainians did know that military aid was being withheld. Other sources have also backed this up.

Cooper is another opinionated second hand source that contradicts her self. "Well I'm not a expert on the law" referring to a meeting with deputies ! And then at another meeting she claims, she told national security attendees there was two legal avenues! But she isn't a expert! Sad day for America when unelected officials start interpreting law!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pentagon-official-testifies-trump-directed-freeze-aid-ukraine-n1080256

 

Apparently the dems and the media don't find this POTUS has any right to freeze foreign aid to countries who have been under recent suspicion of corrupt dealings such as in the investigation of Russian collusion starting back in 2016 and the Ukraine involvement . As POTUS he is responsible  for overseeing foreign policy . For many years the office of the POTUS has instituted  self imposed duties and at times uses their interpretation to impose them according to this article on the duties of the POTUS.

"In fact, much of what the president does today is self-imposed. Nothing in the Constitution says he must light the White House Christmas tree or even get involved in the nitty-gritty details of legislating. But the reality of today’s presidency is that it’s an all-encompassing role, and the personalities driven to run for president do not shy away from imposing themselves in all arenas once in office".

https://www.dummies.com/education/politics-government/washington-d-c-constitutional-duties-of-the-president-of-the-united-states/

"The president not only decides the direction of American foreign policy but also plays an important role in carrying it out". 

 

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/study-guides/american-government/the-president/the-functions-of-the-president

 

[Eric Loh]

29 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  You announce it as if you think we're quaking in our boots and pooing in our pants while simultaneously wetting our leg.

 

Chomper, I've said it many times that I truly look forward to the public hearings.  The Dems have opened Pandora's box and I'll delight in seeing how they'll destroy themselves.

Shell shocked White House and foul mood from the President unleashing fury fact bending tirades conjured a President seeing his Presidency slipping through his fingers. Don’t see how it will destroy the Dems. They are not panicking. 

[metisdead]

Off topic troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Becker]

Link: Putin has relished US political chaos. He may now fear Trump's impeachment

 

"On Russian state television, tightly controlled by the Kremlin, support for Donald Trump in his current impeachment battle is absolute. After all it is Russia, they sometimes joke, that got the US president elected in the first place!

Of course, allegations of meddling in the 2016 US presidential election, which swept Trump into office, are officially denied in Russia. But they are often referenced, even on serious television news shows, with a sarcastic wink.
"Have you lost your minds that you want to remove OUR Donald Ivanovich," bawls Vladimir Soloviev, host of "Evening," a pro-Kremlin current affairs program which has been focusing on the US impeachment proceedings."

 

There's a traitor in the WH - plain and simple.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Apparently the dems and the media don't find this POTUS has any right to freeze foreign aid to countries who have been under recent suspicion of corrupt dealings such as in the investigation of Russian collusion starting back in 2016 and the Ukraine involvement

Obviously Rick Perry who got the oil and gas projects in Ukraine for his donors were not investigated for corruption. That in spite of their bids were a few millions lower than others. What was he doing there when Pence was supposed to attend the President inauguration. 

[xylophone]

51 minutes ago, Becker said:

Us? You mean base Trump supporters??

Priceless!

 

Can't be "base trump supporters" the math is too difficult!!

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Obviously Rick Perry who got the oil and gas projects in Ukraine for his donors were not investigated for corruption. That in spite of their bids were a few millions lower than others. What was he doing there when Pence was supposed to attend the President inauguration. 

Is it possible your referring to another topic . I don't see Perry mentioned in this article

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Shell shocked White House and foul mood from the President unleashing fury fact bending tirades conjured a President seeing his Presidency slipping through his fingers. Don’t see how it will destroy the Dems. They are not panicking. 

Latest sign of panick: ????

On Twitter, Trump suggested that House Intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) released doctored transcripts of impeachment depositions conducted behind closed doors — an explosive claim belied by the fact that not a single Republican or witness who has been in the room for them has said anything of the sort.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/11/20959281/trump-schiff-doctored-impeachment-hearings-transcripts

 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Is it possible your referring to another topic . I don't see Perry mentioned in this article

Washington Post and R.Maddow podcast. 

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Latest sign of panick: ????

On Twitter, Trump suggested that House Intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) released doctored transcripts of impeachment depositions conducted behind closed doors — an explosive claim belied by the fact that not a single Republican or witness who has been in the room for them has said anything of the sort.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/11/20959281/trump-schiff-doctored-impeachment-hearings-transcripts

 

Add to his 12,000 false or misleading claims. 

[Eric Loh]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

Is it possible your referring to another topic . I don't see Perry mentioned in this article

Here some help to you to overcome your confusion.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/11/11/rick-perry-supporters-won-potentially-lucrative-ukraine-oil-and-gas-de/

 

Corruption that Trump does not want to know. 

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Here some help to you to overcome your confusion.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/11/11/rick-perry-supporters-won-potentially-lucrative-ukraine-oil-and-gas-de/

 

Corruption that Trump does not want to know. 

I'll be sure to read up on it when it is the topic story!

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

I'll be sure to read up on it when it is the topic story!

Read at your pleasure but just don’t get ridiculous by defending Trump only interest was in Ukraine’s corruption and not Biden. 

[Dumbastheycome]

Nine  moths ago I put a fixed odds bet that Trump will  not  be serving a second term as Potus.

I expect to do  quite well. But if  not  my $50  will  hardly  do me  damage ! lol

 

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Cooper is another opinionated second hand source that contradicts her self. "Well I'm not a expert on the law" referring to a meeting with deputies ! And then at another meeting she claims, she told national security attendees there was two legal avenues! But she isn't a expert! Sad day for America when unelected officials start interpreting law!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pentagon-official-testifies-trump-directed-freeze-aid-ukraine-n1080256

 

Apparently the dems and the media don't find this POTUS has any right to freeze foreign aid to countries who have been under recent suspicion of corrupt dealings such as in the investigation of Russian collusion starting back in 2016 and the Ukraine involvement . As POTUS he is responsible  for overseeing foreign policy . For many years the office of the POTUS has instituted  self imposed duties and at times uses their interpretation to impose them according to this article on the duties of the POTUS.

"In fact, much of what the president does today is self-imposed. Nothing in the Constitution says he must light the White House Christmas tree or even get involved in the nitty-gritty details of legislating. But the reality of today’s presidency is that it’s an all-encompassing role, and the personalities driven to run for president do not shy away from imposing themselves in all arenas once in office".

https://www.dummies.com/education/politics-government/washington-d-c-constitutional-duties-of-the-president-of-the-united-states/

"The president not only decides the direction of American foreign policy but also plays an important role in carrying it out". 

 

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/study-guides/american-government/the-president/the-functions-of-the-president

 

And what about Sondland? Is he “ another opinionated second hand source that contradicts” himself? 
 

Now we know he contradicts Himself (on pain of perjury of course) but is he just another opinionated second hand source or did he actually testify that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted? 

Now be careful. He was handpicked by Trump!

[Scott]

Posts removed from unapproved source, trolling and replies.  

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

 

[Sujo]

12 hours ago, riclag said:

I'll be sure to read up on it when it is the topic story!

Good. I trust thats the last we hear about the bidens because whatever you think they did is irrelevant.

[elmrfudd]

18 hours ago, xylophone said:

It never ceases to amaze me how the trump supporters just don't see what is staring them in the face and even when they do, they dismiss it as something completely different and try to deflect away from the main argument.

 

I bet if you took a survey and asked the majority of the supporters if he had ever told a lie, a majority would say no! But then again, so would Trump as he has no idea what is coming out of that scatological orifice – – no brain to engage before speaking I'm afraid.

 

I notice they have coined a phrase called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", but little do they understand that it could so easily be applied to them, or indeed altered very slightly to "Trump Dumbass Syndrome" when applied to just about anything which Trump says or does.

 

I've said this before and I will say it again – – that I am astonished anyone could support or vote for this POS who is a five-time bankrupt, a compulsive liar, an adulterer, a thief of charity funds and someone who is just plain dumb.

 

America deserves someone better........and with Trump's track record that could be just about anyone. In fact anyone with an IQ of over 80 and who is not a compulsive liar would suffice!

quite a bit of ridiculous assumptions and generalizations, all the while trying to display how "intelligent" you are.

 

Give the moral and intellectual preening a rest for once. your bias and opinions are just that, as are those who disagree with you. your opinion does not make you smarter or a better person., and yet you keep telling everyone it does.

Edited November 13, 2019 by elmrfudd

[metisdead]

A post containing offensive trolling comments has been reported and removed. 

[xylophone]

28 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

quite a bit of ridiculous assumptions and generalizations, all the while trying to display how "intelligent" you are.

 

Give the moral and intellectual preening a rest for once. your bias and opinions are just that, as are those who disagree with you. your opinion does not make you smarter or a better person., and yet you keep telling everyone it does.

Just posting the facts fudd, just the facts!

[Laza 45]

On 11/12/2019 at 8:11 AM, bristolboy said:

Go ahead. Find a poll that shows Trump's approval is not underwater. Not even Rasmussen can bail you out on that one.

Rasmussen is at 44% today ..  ????

[Laza 45]

30 minutes ago, Laza 45 said:

Rasmussen is at 44% today ..  ????

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_nov12

 

[Becker]

Link: Fox News' Andrew Napolitano Challenges Trump's Fitness For Office

 

"Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano challenged President Donald Trump’s fitness for office on Monday because of his “disparagement of the Constitution, which he is sworn to uphold.”

The attacks were his sharpest ever against Trump.

Napolitano told The Associated Press in a profile published Monday that he believes “there is a legal basis to argue high crimes and misdemeanors,” which the Constitution requires for the impeachment of a president."

 

Duh!

Edited November 13, 2019 by Becker

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So in my 'ignorant' liberal view $3 trillion hasn't been added to the gross federal debt, billions haven't been added to the trade deficit and there wasn't less job creation in his last 2 years than Obama achieved in his last 2 years?

Your own graphs show this but if you want sources then here's a few (I'll only add ones that you can't shout 'fake news' at): 

555555

Throwing Big words and graphs at trump supporters as if they understand either one of the,.

Dude!!!   if they did they would not be trump supporters.