'Poison' of anti-Semitism has taken root in UK's Labour - Chief Rabbi

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, naboo said:

You're explanation is nothing. Israel's foreign policy is nasty. Israel's foreign policy is nothing to do with the religion of the majority of it's citizens. I'll criticise it all I like. Using antisemitism as a defence shows that there is no better defence.

You may, I may continue to see promoting an equivalence of Israel and Nazi Germany as hate speech. That is not normal criticism of a government's foreign policy. It's hate speech tailored to make Jews angry. If that excites you, enjoy yourself but I think our conversation is over. Bye.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Jingthing

[toast1]

As we see here, the seething hatred some people have for Jewish people is not far under the surface.

A post on Syria or  Sudan where millions have been slaughtered, would barely be noticed.

 

The issue here is Jews, and people who become enraged and aggressive when they are mentioned.

 

The issue with Corybn is not that a few Labour people have been caught saying bad things, that happens all the time in all parties, but  people like this, who have taken over much of the Labour party since Corbyn's rule.

 

There is a level of psychotic, obsessive and deranged hate that people like this display when Jews are mentioned. 

The problem with Corbyn, is that he has spent most of his life supporting, praising, giving money to and protecting them.

 

Jews aren't just trying to protect Israel by complaining about Corbyn, they're trying not to get killed again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

I have another POV as I'm not from the U.K. Consider this -- a young Jewish person tries to join up with some others working on "progressive" issues (which you can associate with Labour). Then she's confronted because she's Jewish to prove that she shares the most toxic POV about Israel (see above, conflating Israel to Nazi Germany). Then she might say I support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself and I also support the rights of Palestinian people. That won't be good enough for the ideological purists whose power seems to be growing. Jews in the west traditionally at the very core of progressive politics are more and more being made to feel unwelcome. Of course that doesn't mean voting Tory either! 

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory post and replies removed.  

[OneMoreFarang]

9 hours ago, judokrab said:

"Is it so bad that it can't be repeated?"

"Is it so harmless that nobody else noticed?"

"Where are a couple of samples what they have done?"

Do you not know how to use Google search?

Try searching: examples of anti-semitism in the british labour party.

You will find a lot of material. A huge, balanced article on Wikipedia, and many articles, like this summary of the current situation...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/26/antisemitism-labour-everything-you-need-to-know

Thanks. In that article I see this:

 

Many of the allegations against Labour members involve sharing social media posts that contain antisemitic tropes, such as suggesting Jews are wealthy or control the government or media. Critics of Corbyn also say that criticism of Israel among some of his supporters, for example about the treatment of the Palestinian people, can too readily tip over into a generalised condemnation that becomes antisemitic.

 

Is that all?

Because it seems in many cases it seems it's about telling the truth. Lots of Jews are influential and Israel treats Palestinians mostly like <deleted>. But when people say this loud then they are accused of anti-semetism.

Maybe there are worse things which Labor members do - I don't know.

 

On the other hand when the current UK PM calls Muslim women letterboxes that seems to be a minor problem for some people... 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

By fair treatment do you mean the destruction of Israel and the creation of the one state they want- their own. Exposing the anti semitism in the labour party, which has been done by labour MP's and not all Jews, is not 'abuse' it's pointing out abuse coming from the labour party.

Corbyn has never supported ‘the destruction of Israel’.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, toast1 said:

No you could not. A very small number of Tories have been suspended or expelled for racism. 

 

The count so far, according to Labour is 120, but that was a few months ago, it goes up every day. 

 

A candidate today was withdrawn, its usually one every few days. 

 

The evidence is from the Labour Party. 

You are using evidence of the Labour Party expelling 120 people for anti-semitism as evidence of the Labour Party being anti-semantic?

[Orton Rd]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Corbyn has never supported ‘the destruction of Israel’.

 

But his terrorist friends do

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

But his terrorist friends do

The PLO, Corbyn and I want the destruction of the racist supremacist ideology of Zionism not Israel or Jews, although one may or may not need to call Israel by another name when it becomes a true secular democracy where the majority indigenous Palestinians have the same civil and human rights as everyone else.

Edited November 29, 2019 by dexterm

[kingdong]

On 11/26/2019 at 11:25 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, a veteran campaigner for Palestinian rights’.

 

Nuff said.

Then let him stand as a politician in palestein,instead of masquerading as a politician in britain,enough said.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Then let him stand as a politician in palestein,instead of masquerading as a politician in britain,enough said.

Is the notion of politicians who have principles and global perspectives which extend beyond Caribbean tax havens and Russian oligarchs really such a threat to you?

[TopDeadSenter]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Is the notion of politicians who have principles and global perspectives which extend beyond Caribbean tax havens and Russian oligarchs really such a threat to you?

People that swallow the nonsense offered by the labour party are a threat to us all. Labour politicians are just as bad at using tax havens to hide they money, just their hypocrisy is worse, off the charts worse. Shame on anybody that believes labour would end Caribbean tax havens and not engage in shady business with Russian oligarchs.

as a tiny sample..

 

New figures at Companies House reveal that ‘Labour Party Properties Limited’ – a venture that owns 19 buildings across the UK – declared zero tax in 2018 despite profits of nearly £630,000.

And it last paid money to the Treasury in 2003.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9977694/labour-property-business-tax-dodge/

[dexterm]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks. In that article I see this:

 

Many of the allegations against Labour members involve sharing social media posts that contain antisemitic tropes, such as suggesting Jews are wealthy or control the government or media. Critics of Corbyn also say that criticism of Israel among some of his supporters, for example about the treatment of the Palestinian people, can too readily tip over into a generalised condemnation that becomes antisemitic.

 

Is that all?

Because it seems in many cases it seems it's about telling the truth. Lots of Jews are influential and Israel treats Palestinians mostly like <deleted>. But when people say this loud then they are accused of anti-semetism.

Maybe there are worse things which Labor members do - I don't know.

 

On the other hand when the current UK PM calls Muslim women letterboxes that seems to be a minor problem for some people... 

 

No wonder Johnson is cheering on the Chief Rabbi because of course his hysterical fake claims about antisemitism in the Labour Party have one goal only: to stop Jeremy Corbyn winning power.
This the same Boris Johnson who refers to black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles, Muslim women as letter boxes and bank robbers, and stereotyping young people as having "an almost Nigerian interest in money".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/28/johnson-accused-of-racial-stereotyping-with-view-on-nigerians?

 

The good rabbi in the OP would have more credibility if he called for an independent inquiry into racism in all political parties.

Edited November 29, 2019 by dexterm

[kingdong]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Is the notion of politicians who have principles and global perspectives which extend beyond Caribbean tax havens and Russian oligarchs really such a threat to you?

Yeah it is to all of us when politicians keep sticking their noses in things that have nothing to do with the uk,for example Blair making up a pack of lies about weapons of mass destruction and murdering 25,000 Iraqi civilians and as a direct result we,ve had British citizens murdered on our streets by radicalized muslims,

Edited November 29, 2019 by kingdong

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Corbyn has never supported ‘the destruction of Israel’.

 

No he just supports terrorists who do.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Yeah it is to all of us when politicians keep sticking their noses in things that have nothing to do with the uk,for example Blair making up a pack of lies about weapons of mass destruction and murdering 25,000 Iraqi civilians and as a direct result we,ve had British citizens murdered on our streets by radicalized muslims,

Blair is not a current Labour MP and Corbyn opposed his war. 

[poohy]

Fair comment from Gideon Levy

 

The Contract on Corbyn.
(Gideon Levy • Haaretz, Nov. 28, 2019)

The Jewish establishment in Britain and the Israeli propaganda machine have taken out a contract on the leader of the British Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn. The contract was taken out a long time ago, and it was clear that the closer Corbyn came to being elected prime minister, the harsher the conflict would get.

Corbyn is not an anti-Semite. He never was. His real sin is his staunch position against injustice in the world, including the version Israel perpetrates. Today this is anti-Semitism. The Hungarian Viktor Orban, the Austrian Freedom Party and the extreme right in Europe are not the danger to Jews. Corbyn is the enemy. The new and efficient strategy of Israel and the Zionist establishment brands every seeker of justice as an anti-Semite, and any criticism of Israel as hatred of Jews. Corbyn is a victim of this strategy, which threatens to paralyze and silence Europe with regard to Israel.

Corbyn is indeed a very harsh critic of the occupation, supports the boycott and compares the closure of Gaza with the siege of Stalingrad and Leningrad. These are anti-Israeli positions, but not necessarily anti-Semitic. The Jews of Britain are blurring this difference as are many Jews throughout the world, intentionally. One can (and should) be a harsh critic of Israel without being anti-Semitic

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Blair is not a current Labour MP and Corbyn opposed his war. 

Did I say Blair was a current mp?no you,'re just trying to put words in my mouth and not doing a very good job.And as for Corbyn opposing the war,why didn,t he resign if he was against it so passionately?

[kingdong]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Corbyn has never supported ‘the destruction of Israel’.

 

You seem to be posting a lot of confused emojis,dare I suggest you,ve received too many blows to the head in your career as a Morris dancer and should consider wearing head protection in future.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, kingdong said:

You seem to be posting a lot of confused emojis,dare I suggest you,ve received too many blows to the head in your career as a Morris dancer and should consider wearing head protection in future.

My emojis are a response to the confused nonsense you and a few others are posting.

 

 

[NanLaew]

9 hours ago, poohy said:

Fair comment from Gideon Levy

 

The Contract on Corbyn.
(Gideon Levy • Haaretz, Nov. 28, 2019)

The Jewish establishment in Britain and the Israeli propaganda machine have taken out a contract on the leader of the British Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn. The contract was taken out a long time ago, and it was clear that the closer Corbyn came to being elected prime minister, the harsher the conflict would get.

Corbyn is not an anti-Semite. He never was. His real sin is his staunch position against injustice in the world, including the version Israel perpetrates. Today this is anti-Semitism. The Hungarian Viktor Orban, the Austrian Freedom Party and the extreme right in Europe are not the danger to Jews. Corbyn is the enemy. The new and efficient strategy of Israel and the Zionist establishment brands every seeker of justice as an anti-Semite, and any criticism of Israel as hatred of Jews. Corbyn is a victim of this strategy, which threatens to paralyze and silence Europe with regard to Israel.

Corbyn is indeed a very harsh critic of the occupation, supports the boycott and compares the closure of Gaza with the siege of Stalingrad and Leningrad. These are anti-Israeli positions, but not necessarily anti-Semitic. The Jews of Britain are blurring this difference as are many Jews throughout the world, intentionally. One can (and should) be a harsh critic of Israel without being anti-Semitic

Enlightening. Thanks.

[DaddyWarbucks]

9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Enlightening. Thanks.

Indeed it is.

It sums up the topic very well and is in stark contrast to the disingenuous talking points and canned narrative usually associated with this subject.

Moderates like Gideon Levy are the only hope for Israel's future.

Radical Zionists are leading the country down the road apartheid South Africa followed to its destruction.

[Number 6]

On 11/26/2019 at 9:13 PM, elliss said:

 

    Spot on . 

JC.  is quite content in his role, as  inactive opossition to the goverment.

      Tory party , what an easy ride they have had .. 

 

Card carrying member of JDL.

 

What was the poison again?? 

[nkg]

6 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Card carrying member of JDL.

 

What was the poison again?? 

 

Ah, so you blame the Jews. Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

[Number 6]

1 minute ago, nkg said:

 

Ah, so you blame the Jews. Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

For what my Jewish friend?

[nkg]

Just now, Number 6 said:

For what my Jewish friend?

 

You tell me. I abhor antisemitism, What about you?

[Number 6]

2 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

You tell me. I abhor antisemitism, What about you?

Where is the incident of anti semitism in the article? 

 

That's what prompted my initial post. Seems just like scapegoating and propaganda. 

 

Alarmist, fake news but not surprised.

[nkg]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Where is the incident of anti semitism in the article? 

 

That's what prompted my initial post. Seems just like scapegoating and propaganda. 

 

Alarmist, fake news but not surprised.

 

Well, I go on to mention it later on:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47400029

 

Quote

 

MP Luciana Berger's decision to quit the party over anti-Semitism was Labour's "worst day of shame" in its 120-year history, Tom Watson has said.

Labour's deputy leader said Ms Berger had been "bullied out of her own party by racist thugs".

 

 

But apparently Luciana Berger and Tom Watson are liars.

[MRToMRT]

On 11/26/2019 at 6:25 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, a veteran campaigner for Palestinian rights’.

But that makes him an anti-zionist (along with a LOT of other people around the world) and not an anti-semite.

I am not a Corbyn supporter but this is all a crock.

[nkg]

1 minute ago, MRToMRT said:

But that makes him an anti-zionist (along with a LOT of other people around the world) and not an anti-semite.

I am not a Corbyn supporter but this is all a crock.

 

That may be true, but there is quite a thin line between anti-zionist and anti-semite. Ken Livingstone crossed that line and lost his job.