Must Read In historic moment, U.S. House impeaches Donald Trump for abuse of power

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Huge news! 

Pelosi the most consequential woman politician in American history has signalled she will NOT be sending this to the senate for trial unless and until the senate passing rules that assure a reasonably fair trial.

God is she smart touché mrs Pelosi touché touché touché kudos mam!!!

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

What's the point really ? He'll never get removed due to the way the American's houses and political system works, and it will just be wasted money that could have been used for better purposes.

It was supposed to drag out until the election but Trump releasing the transcript of the call pulled the rug out from under them and the had to go into damage control. 
 

Now the focus will be on the “evil republican” senators not convicting him. 
 

 

[TopDeadSenter]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Huge news! 

Pelosi the most consequential woman politician in American history has signalled she will NOT be sending this to the senate for trial unless and until the senate passing rules that assure a reasonably fair trial.

The defining moment in this mornings farce was when Pelosi got her 1st impeachment passed, and she stifled a huge outburst of laughter and glee, and then warned her followers to stop giggling. The video of this will be viral. It was a huge moment that offered a split second of honesty to cut through her BS and bluster.

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

God is she smart touché mrs Pelosi touché touché touché kudos mam!!!

I think it a good bet that regardless of what rules the Senate offer Nancy will not see them as being fair enough...

 

 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The defining moment in this mornings farce was when Pelosi got her 1st impeachment passed, and she stifled a huge outburst of laughter and glee, and then warned her followers to stop giggling. The video of this will be viral. It was a huge moment that offered a split second of honesty to cut through her BS and bluster.

No one cares

[steven100]

This ruling instigated by the democrats will be their demise and destruction. This will only strengthen the republicans position and support.

[OneMoreFarang]

Lets wait for the senate.

If the senators, who are supposed to be impartial jury, work together with the White House then this is a very clear sign that the USA is not a 1st world country anymore.

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA so that they have time to think about their behavior which resembles a third class banana republic.

 

I am sorry for all the decent Americans which must have a hard time trying to explaining to the rest of the world why they have a president and lots of politicians which just don't care about the laws and their own constitution. Truly dark times over there.

[mogandave]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

This ruling instigated by the democrats will be their demise and destruction. This will only strengthen the republicans position and support.

I wouldn’t bet on that, they have the press, Google, Facebook, Hollywood, teachers, professors and most civil servants. 
 

Most of them buy into this stuff.

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[steven100]

Impeachment in the US, Brexit nightmare in the UK, Australia's economy is shot to pieces !

can someone give out some good news for a change

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets wait for the senate.

If the senators, who are supposed to be impartial jury, work together with the White House then this is a very clear sign that the USA is not a 1st world country anymore.

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA so that they have time to think about their behavior which resembles a third class banana republic.

 

I am sorry for all the decent Americans which must have a hard time trying to explaining to the rest of the world why they have a president and lots of politicians which just don't care about the laws and their own constitution. Truly dark times over there.

You understand the President is the leader of the Republican Party, yes? 
 

A three year investigation and impeached  by the left for something that happened a few months ago. That seems really impartial. Not.

Edited December 19, 2019 by mogandave
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[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets wait for the senate.

If the senators, who are supposed to be impartial jury, work together with the White House then this is a very clear sign that the USA is not a 1st world country anymore.

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA so that they have time to think about their behavior which resembles a third class banana republic.

 

I am sorry for all the decent Americans which must have a hard time trying to explaining to the rest of the world why they have a president and lots of politicians which just don't care about the laws and their own constitution. Truly dark times over there.

Does the constitution say they have to be impartial? Is there a higher court to appeal to if they are not?

Senators will vote whichever way they think will get them re elected. They are, after all, politicians, and think politically.

 

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA

Sorry but that deserves a

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It was supposed to drag out until the election but Trump releasing the transcript of the call pulled the rug out from under them and the had to go into damage control. 
 

Now the focus will be on the “evil republican” senators not convicting him. 
 

 

Trump did not release the transcript of the call.

 

Next.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, steven100 said:

This ruling instigated by the democrats will be their demise and destruction. This will only strengthen the republicans position and support.

If this actually gets to the senate ( Nancy is looking for an excuse not to send it there ) the effect during the election may be so severe that the Dems only have enough congressmen left to fill the clown car.

Joking alert for the humour deficient.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, mogandave said:

No one cares

Well you obviously do.

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I think it a good bet that regardless of what rules the Senate offer Nancy will not see them as being fair enough...

 

 

I think it’s a  good bet Mitch McConnell will be desperate to get his hands on this set of impeachment charges before the next batch arrive.

 

There are multiple cases before the courts calling for the release of evidence and witnesses being withheld by Trump.

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You understand the President is the leader of the Republican Party, yes? 
 

A three year investigation and impeached  by the left for something that happened a few months ago. That seems really impartial. Not.

Please try to read and understand. I highlighted the important part for you.

You will (hopefully) notice that there is no section that politicians from the same party as the president don't have to follow the constitution.

 

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump, President of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws; [So help me God]."[6]

 

Rules of Procedure and Practice in the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials (26 Rules Applicable to Senate Impeachment Trial, gpo.gov, "Revised rules adopted on Aug. 16, 1986, pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99-2.")

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_trial_of_Donald_Trump

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA

Sorry but that deserves a

Sure you can laugh about that. And I know if won't happen.

But think about how the USA reacts to other countries when they don't follow their own laws. The USA seems to be always in the first row criticizing others... 

 

[spiekerjozef]

" Republican Representative Mike Kelly compared the impeachment to the Japanese attack on Hawaii's Pearl Harbor in 1941, calling the House proceedings another "date that will live in infamy"

 

So continue in the same way, nuke the "white" house....

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please try to read and understand. I highlighted the important part for you.

You will (hopefully) notice that there is no section that politicians from the same party as the president don't have to follow the constitution.

 

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump, President of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws; [So help me God]."[6]

 

Rules of Procedure and Practice in the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials (26 Rules Applicable to Senate Impeachment Trial, gpo.gov, "Revised rules adopted on Aug. 16, 1986, pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99-2.")

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_trial_of_Donald_Trump

What makes you think the Republicans will not be impartial? 
 

Just because the Democrats have no integrity does not mean the Republicans will follow suit...

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What makes you think the Republicans will not be impartial? 
 

Just because the Democrats have no integrity does not mean the Republicans will follow suit...

Watch!

 

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What makes you think the Republicans will not be impartial? 
 

Just because the Democrats have no integrity does not mean the Republicans will follow suit...

I know. When this happen. 
Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-GA) compared the impeachment debate against President Donald Trump to the trial of Jesus Christ.

[Samui Bodoh]

40 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Impeachment in the US, Brexit nightmare in the UK, Australia's economy is shot to pieces !

can someone give out some good news for a change

Yes!

 

We voted you off the island, Steven100!

 

 

 

 

(Apologies to you, Steven100! Just trying to break the tension...)

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

29 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What makes you think the Republicans will not be impartial? 

Probably the fact that they're saying they won't be? In the words of Lindsey Graham:

 

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I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I’m not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here.

Mitch McConnell has said it even more clearly, stating as follows:

 

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"I'm not impartial about this at all."

 

[chokrai]

Well congrats to Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats. Mission accomplished you have managed to make half of the country hate the other half. Well done. I hope you all live long enough to reap what you have sown.

[spidermike007]

16 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Probably the fact that they're saying they won't be? In the words of Lindsey Graham:

 

Mitch McConnell has said it even more clearly, stating as follows:

 

 

They are basically members of Trump's defense team. Except they are doing all of their defense work "pro-bono".

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Well congrats to Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats. Mission accomplished you have managed to make half of the country hate the other half. Well done. I hope you all live long enough to reap what you have sown.

Why didn't 45 after being elected by a minority with questions of legitimacy over his head due to confirmed Russian interference choose to govern for his base ONLY instead of trying like a NORMAL president in such circumstances to EXPAND his base? So back at you. The most guilty party in the obvious near civil war levels of division in the USA is the current president. Of course the conditions were ripe for such a horrible situation, but he has gone out of his way to continue to inflame them. 

[mogandave]

54 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Probably the fact that they're saying they won't be? In the words of Lindsey Graham:

 

Mitch McConnell has said it even more clearly, stating as follows:

 

 

Yes, he’s partial to justice 

[chokrai]

46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why didn't 45 after being elected by a minority with questions of legitimacy over his head due to confirmed Russian interference choose to govern for his base ONLY instead of trying like a NORMAL president in such circumstances to EXPAND his base? So back at you. The most guilty party in the obvious near civil war levels of division in the USA is the current president. Of course the conditions were ripe for such a horrible situation, but he has gone out of his way to continue to inflame them. 

He won , the Russian interference is nonsense. You guys can ride this nonsense forever nobody with any common sense believes it. Anyway enjoy the next year watching the Democrats self destruct. 

[mogandave]

50 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why didn't 45 after being elected by a minority with questions of legitimacy over his head due to confirmed Russian interference choose to govern for his base ONLY instead of trying like a NORMAL president in such circumstances to EXPAND his base? So back at you. The most guilty party in the obvious near civil war levels of division in the USA is the current president. Of course the conditions were ripe for such a horrible situation, but he has gone out of his way to continue to inflame them. 

Do you have an example of him governing to his base only? 

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, chokrai said:

He won , the Russian interference is nonsense. You guys can ride this nonsense forever nobody with any common sense believes it. Anyway enjoy the next year watching the Democrats self destruct. 

It's not nonsense but if that's where you're coming from, blatant denial of facts and reality, I guess we have no basis for any kind of rational discussion. So -- bye. 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/22/mueller-report-what-know-russian-election-interference/3538877002/

 

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Mueller report: 5 things to know about Russian interference in U.S. elections


WASHINGTON – Special counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign spelled out in elaborate detail a sophisticated, Kremlin-led operation to sow division in the U.S. and upend the election by using cyberattacks and social media as weapons.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Jingthing