rooster59 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Russia says it has deployed first hypersonic nuclear-capable missiles By Andrew Osborn A still from the defence ministry video shows an Avangard warhead (computer simulation). GETTY IMAGES MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia deployed its first regiment of hypersonic nuclear-capable missiles on Friday, the Defence Ministry said, a move which President Vladimir Putin has boasted puts his country in a class of its own. Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu has informed Putin of the deployment, according to a ministry statement that did not disclose where the missiles were located. The new system, called Avangard, comprises a hypersonic glide vehicle designed to sit atop an intercontinental ballistic missile, one of several new types of weapons Putin has touted as ahead of their time. Putin has said Russia's new generation of nuclear weapons can hit almost any point in the world and evade a U.S.-built missile shield. Some Western experts have questioned how advanced some of the weapons programmes are. The Pentagon said in a statement that it "will not characterize the Russian claims" about the Avangard's capabilities. The United States has been developing hypersonic weapons since the early 2000s, according to a Congressional Research Service report published in July. Russia said on Nov. 26 that U.S. experts had examined an Avangard under inspection rules of the 2010 New START treaty. A U.S. State Department official confirmed that inspectors examined an Avangard, but had no further comment. Putin said on Tuesday the Avangard system could penetrate both existing and any future missile defence systems. "Today, we have a unique situation in our new and recent history. They (other countries) are trying to catch up with us. Not a single country possesses hypersonic weapons, let alone continental-range hypersonic weapons," said Putin. Hypersonic glide vehicles are boosted on a rocket to altitudes of between 40 km (25 miles) and 100 km (62 miles) before detaching to glide along the upper atmosphere towards their target, say researchers. Control surfaces on glide vehicles mean they can steer an unpredictable course and manoeuvre sharply as they approach impact. They also follow a much flatter and lower trajectory than the high, arching path of a ballistic missile. That makes them much harder to detect early with radar, giving missile defences less time to respond, say researchers. However, Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, California, said he doubted the claim that the Avangard can evade missile defenses. “I remain sceptical that gliders will change the survivability of Russia’s nuclear forces since gliding results in slower speeds than traditional re-entry,” he said. (Reporting by Andrew Osborn; additional reporting by Jonathan Landay and Idrees Ali in Washington; Editing by Gareth Jones and David Gregorio) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-12-28 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post harada Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Yes Vlad, but can you sort out the few hundred (or more) that will be heading back your way after you send your new baby on its way? 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post car720 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Fools leading even bigger fools. This is why man was created to die, he could not have tolerated more. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, harada said: Yes Vlad, but can you sort out the few hundred (or more) that will be heading back your way after you send your new baby on its way? Perhaps you're not getting the picture. Perhaps ask how many, if any, would be "heading back": "Thus, if Russia's claims are true, it has developed a long-range intercontinental missile system that may well be impossible to defend against." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50927648 USA currently 3rd, after China, in the race. Edited December 28, 2019 by Enoon 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pravda Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 How about paying a few extra rubles for a better photoshop work? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, rooster59 said: Putin said on Tuesday the Avangard system could penetrate both existing and any future missile defence systems. Maybe missiles. But not lasers. And they're right around the corner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emdog Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 “I remain sceptical that gliders will change the survivability of Russia’s nuclear forces since gliding results in slower speeds than traditional re-entry,” he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Based on a lot of the reading I have been doing, the Russians are far ahead of the Americans when it comes to several classes of missile technology. That is a scary thought. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chang_paarp Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Twitter storm in 5 ..4 ... 3... Right after someone explains what this means. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm not American but I'm pretty sure the US has a lot of technologies up it's sleeves that they haven't boasted about to the world and also if they don't tell Donald they have them as he will open his mouth and give away secrets like he did with how good the optical quality of US spy satellites are. A small point, if the missiles are travelling at hypersonic speeds then as soon as they start gliding they will slow down considerably and in other articles I have read today Russia states they can maneuver to avoid missile defences, I doubt this is true if they are travelling as fast as they say. Enoon mentioned about these taking out silos but remember this is about missiles not warheads and these will not be hypersonic. Has everyone forgotten about submarines?. What Putin has done by announcing this to the world is to make the response quicker, countries will launch earlier and with less hesitation now making the likelihood of nuclear war closer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Mr Kim say's how much are they I'm very late with Mr Oranges Christmas gift ???? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: Based on a lot of the reading I have been doing, the Russians are far ahead of the Americans when it comes to several classes of missile technology. That is a scary thought. From the end of the '40-s we heard again and again all these threads of Sovjet nuclear power. Every time it was proven to be a ghost story. Russia simply does not have the financial means anymore to keep us a big army, nor invest a lot in new technology. China with is activities in the seas around till nearly at the shores of the ASEAN countries, their massive purchases of fertile land + raw materials areas in Africa, their influence in S+ SE Asia, and.. their much bigger GDP... I see as a much bigger thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, sandrabbit said: I'm not American but I'm pretty sure the US has a lot of technologies up it's sleeves that they haven't boasted about to the world and also if they don't tell Donald they have them as he will open his mouth and give away secrets like he did with how good the optical quality of US spy satellites are. A small point, if the missiles are travelling at hypersonic speeds then as soon as they start gliding they will slow down considerably and in other articles I have read today Russia states they can maneuver to avoid missile defences, I doubt this is true if they are travelling as fast as they say. Enoon mentioned about these taking out silos but remember this is about missiles not warheads and these will not be hypersonic. Has everyone forgotten about submarines?. What Putin has done by announcing this to the world is to make the response quicker, countries will launch earlier and with less hesitation now making the likelihood of nuclear war closer. Stalin alreqdy said NOT to be so much afraid for the US Army, but for the US drawing boards. The Europeans… Prodi already said that on TV... are irrelevant... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saengd Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, puipuitom said: From the end of the '40-s we heard again and again all these threads of Sovjet nuclear power. Every time it was proven to be a ghost story. Russia simply does not have the financial means anymore to keep us a big army, nor invest a lot in new technology. China with is activities in the seas around till nearly at the shores of the ASEAN countries, their massive purchases of fertile land + raw materials areas in Africa, their influence in S+ SE Asia, and.. their much bigger GDP... I see as a much bigger thread. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/military-size-by-country/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Gonna have to fire back quickly, perhaps even before they enter hyperglide mode. Just to be sure the west (USA) needs a doomsday machine; needs several doomsday machines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaviator Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Absolutely ridiculous for Putin to brag about this- so he has hypersonic missles- the moment he launches- the US; UK and France will make an automatic countere strike on Russia desteroying 50 percent of their population. To what end- no wonder it's called Mad- Mutually Assured Destruction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Well into the 2000s and still doing this? P A T H E T I C. We could have a pristine earth and be all around the solar system by now. Grow up you bunch of little girls (Putin et al)! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 When will stupid man learn to take care of the one and only planet we have instead of developing weapons of destruction? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Enoon said: Perhaps you're not getting the picture. Perhaps ask how many, if any, would be "heading back": "Thus, if Russia's claims are true, it has developed a long-range intercontinental missile system that may well be impossible to defend against." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50927648 USA currently 3rd, after China, in the race. It would still be mutual destruction this doesn't change that. They would have a small window of time that they can savor their victory before nuclear holocaust hits them as well. As others have said we probably have measures that we don't go telling the world about. The idea of strategic space defense goes back to the days of Reagan. Nice piece for Vlad to score points at home and not much more. If you tend to be the type that is always worried about the end of the world this is very grim news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 With millions of shipping containers crossing borders annually, I'm surprised anyone needs missiles any more. Just a smartphone, the code, and some strategically pre-situated bombs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene1960 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, impulse said: With millions of shipping containers crossing borders annually, I'm surprised anyone needs missiles any more. Just a smartphone, the code, and some strategically pre-situated bombs. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-weapon/deadly-new-russian-weapon-hides-in-shipping-container-idUSTRE63P2XB20100426 even more scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, harada said: Yes Vlad, but can you sort out the few hundred (or more) that will be heading back your way after you send your new baby on its way? It will be to late to send any back ones that one hits the target 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said: It will be to late to send any back ones that one hits the target This post is so off I will just mention one thing that guarantees a counter attack. Submarines. I won't even attempt to address in larger detail how ignorant the post is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Pravda said: How about paying a few extra rubles for a better photoshop work? They have a video and allowed US inspectors to see it . is not a joke or prototype , it’s real and it’s here to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: This post is so off I will just mention one thing that guarantees a counter attack. Submarines. I won't even attempt to address in larger detail how ignorant the post is. Get some more info of your mate Donald 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said: Get some more info of your mate Donald The counterstrike would happen on it's own even assuming Putin somehow wiped every American civilian off the planet. You are being obtuse intentionally? Edited December 28, 2019 by Cryingdick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: The counterstrike would happen on it's own even assuming Putin somehow wiped every American civilian off the planet. You are being obtuse intentionally? No I am am realistic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey rat Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 17 hours ago, Enoon said: Perhaps you're not getting the picture. Perhaps ask how many, if any, would be "heading back": Perhaps you are a real tough cookie sitting in it's armchair? Just a guess. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Aw, hell. Just get on with it. I've been waiting too long already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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