if denied entry at the airport will i get a stemp in my passport?

[Frankgg]

If i enter ( visa exempt or with a SETV) and get denied at the airport will they stamp something in my passport that my entry was denied or will the stamp my SETV, should i have one as "used" ? or will i be able to try again the next day at a land boarder to enter and use the SETV again ?

 

Thanks

[DrJack54]

If denied entry your visa is still valid. 

You could then enter via border.

Why are you concerned? Extensive recent history stays in Thailand? If so do not fly into DM

[Frankgg]

i got a long history the last 3 years 3ED visa and last 4 month 2019 i did 2x visa exempt + 2x 30 day extension.

I will now try to get a SETV in my homecountry (EU) and enter via plain from singapur to Surat Thani or Hat Yai airport.

should i not get a SETV i will try to enter at laos vientiane land boarder.

if anybody have history with Surat Thani or Hat Yai airport please let me now then i would fly to another airport

 

also how is the return flight managed should i get denied entry? can i just book it myself or will they tell me what flight i have to take, will i get charged by the flight company or the immigration for the ticket?

[DrJack54]

Where to start. Good airport to fly into us CNX. Chiang Mai. You can get cheap flights from KL.

If ever denied entry at airport in Thailand you will be flown back to where you embarked. That's why people with your history from countries such as USA or Europe would be nuts to take direct flight into Thailand. 

You have limited time in los in future with your plans

[Boycie]

23 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

If ever denied entry at airport in Thailand you will be flown back to where you embarked. That's why people with your history from countries such as USA or Europe would be nuts to take direct flight into Thailand. 

Are you sure that information is correct? I have read that you could fly to a neighbouring country at your own expense.

 

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Boycie said:

Are you sure that information is correct? I have read that you could fly to a neighbouring country at your own expense.

 

100%. There have been cases where person has dug heels in and been able to fly elsewhere from where they embarked.

I take that on face value. You will be flown back from where you embarked at your cost. Again folk will state that airline is responsible. Good luck with that. 

 

[Frankgg]

i will fly from singapore with a new ticket so that schould not be a problem i was just worried that they will put a stemp in my passport or on the SETV like entry denied or something.

the best option for me would be to fly from singapore to Hat Yai airport, i can also fly to chiang mai but the flight is mutch longer and also 2x the price. but as of now chiang mai is the safest airport with a SETV but a long history?

[Chivas]

Makes me laugh...what possible difference should it make what immigration officer you are in front of and at which particular airport.

They should all be singing from the same hymn sheet

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, Chivas said:

Makes me laugh...what possible difference should it make what immigration officer you are in front of and at which particular airport.

They should all be singing from the same hymn sheet

And we are too, hoping for a consistent application of the rules. It is what it is, and the funny thing is, when an IO actually doesn't know what the rules are, will spout forth something off the top of his empty head, and face will prevent him backing off! 

Most of us are not subjected to these variations, only ever using one particular office. This Forum teaches us how wildly at odds they are. 

[Tayaout]

You get a stamp and your SETV remains valid. I have such stamp and crossed multiple land border without being asked anything. 

[acenase]

I dont understand why would the Immigration deny your entry with a valid tourist visa, but not void it out?  Thats basically saying they can deny your entry but you can still enter with this tourist visa at another port. But why not also void the visa you try to enter with along with their denial? It kinda makes me feel like if their denial was a valid reason they can also deny your Visa you try to enter with. But if they are bending the rules a little then they just say No and send you off and you try again at another entry and they are completely ok with that?

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, acenase said:

I dont understand why would the Immigration deny your entry with a valid tourist visa, but not void it out?  Thats basically saying they can deny your entry but you can still enter with this tourist visa at another port. But why not also void the visa you try to enter with along with their denial? It kinda makes me feel like if their denial was a valid reason they can also deny your Visa you try to enter with. But if they are bending the rules a little then they just say No and send you off and you try again at another entry and they are completely ok with that?

Border control cannot void a visa.

[tgeezer]

Read the Immigration Act on being denied entry. The carrier is responsible to remove you from the country at their expense, even if you are locked up it is at the carrier’s expense. However since most people are bending the rules no one challenges decisions.  

[acenase]

1 hour ago, tgeezer said:

Read the Immigration Act on being denied entry. The carrier is responsible to remove you from the country at their expense, even if you are locked up it is at the carrier’s expense. However since most people are bending the rules no one challenges decisions.  

Which is why it is key to fly on an airline that have multiple legs to border countries from BKK and not an airlines that forces you to return back to where you came from.

Such as Japan Airlines or Philipines Airlines. They don’t have flights going from BKK to another country except back to their own country. So good to use Thai Airlines or Air Asia. So if you get denied you can easily book a flight from BKK-KUL or VTE and enter through land border easily.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, acenase said:

Which is why it is key to fly on an airline that have multiple legs to border countries from BKK and not an airlines that forces you to return back to where you came from.

Such as Japan Airlines or Philipines Airlines. They don’t have flights going from BKK to another country except back to their own country. So good to use Thai Airlines or Air Asia. So if you get denied you can easily book a flight from BKK-KUL or VTE and enter through land border easily.

You don't get to choose. Yeah sure there will be report here and there where someone was able to nominate a flight destination. I'm sure it can occur but certainly not the norm. You will be returned to where you embarked at your cost. 

[ChipButty]

Consider yourself lucky to be denied entry in to Thailand Im sure you will end up thanking them one day

[Ireland32]

12 hours ago, Chivas said:

Makes me laugh...what possible difference should it make what immigration officer you are in front of and at which particular airport.

They should all be singing from the same hymn sheet

Are you a Newbie

[acenase]

30 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You don't get to choose. Yeah sure there will be report here and there where someone was able to nominate a flight destination. I'm sure it can occur but certainly not the norm. You will be returned to where you embarked at your cost. 

 

It is the carriers responsibility to make sure you have a ticket out of the airport using the same carrier, but they don't have the power to tell you which flight you need to pay for to leave or where your next destination should be. I guess it just depends on how much they want to try to bully you. They could try to force you to fly back to where you flew in from, or you can politely explain to them that you will fly to Vientiane or Kuala Lumpur instead of them forcing you to fly back to Haneda and you will fly to Vientiane or Kuala Lumpur from there. Kinda looks stupid, so they could be understanding.

[cerox]

I have 100% the same visa history as you (3y ED with 4 months exempt/extensions followed). After that I got questioned last month and let in, because it was a land border and I had my "joker" (2 land entries per year).

Do not enter via Bangkok, I am pretty sure you will get denied, very high risk. Visa exempt you should only enter via land border.

[Dexxter]

8 hours ago, cerox said:

Do not enter via Bangkok, I am pretty sure you will get denied, very high risk. Visa exempt you should only enter via land border.

Which is really weird because elsewhere I have read that you can have unlimited visa exempt entries if you fly in, but only 2 per year by land border. So much contradictory information around. I too wish they would FIX the rules in place and make sure everyone was on the same page.

[Dexxter]

On 1/5/2020 at 11:51 AM, ChipButty said:

Consider yourself lucky to be denied entry in to Thailand Im sure you will end up thanking them one day

They may have saved you from multiple sick buffaloes, needy families and a lost house up in Nakhon Nowhere. They may have saved you many tens of thousands of dollars.

[DrJack54]

39 minutes ago, Dexxter said:

Which is really weird because elsewhere I have read that you can have unlimited visa exempt entries if you fly in, but only 2 per year by land border. So much contradictory information around. I too wish they would FIX the rules in place and make sure everyone was on the same page.

I can understand the frustration. When people state that visa exempt are unlimited at airports, clearly they are not. If in fact they were I would not need annual extension and 800k in some Thai back along with all the other things. Reentry permits etc. I exit Thai every couple of weeks so easy for me to live in Thailand on visa exempt entries via air.

That is not possible even though there is no rule stating limit to such.

[Claude22france]

Today I will tell you in details what  happened to me last October when I wanted to come and spend a few months in Thailand.

I had a ticket from Paris to Bangkok on Qatar airline, on 16 October 2019 – return on 8 April 2020, and a second ticket from Pukhet to Penang (Malaysia) on 16 November 2019, because I can stay only 30 days in Thailand when arriving without a visa.

I planned to take a visa in Malaysia, because it is easier for me than going to Paris and stay 2-3 days there waiting for my passport.

I did that last year and went to Vientiane to get a visa without any problem.

But this time, when I arrived at Suvarnabhumi, the immigration officer asked me why I did not have a visa.

I told him that I wanted to go to Malaysia, showed him my Air Asia ticket and was not anxious at all since I was pretty sure that everything was in order.

But then the officer called a colleague and gave him my passport and copy of my tickets, and I was taken to a table where a few people were sitting.

I waited there for about one hour and nobody asked me anything. In the meantime, I could watch a team of immigration agents screening and netting passengers and taking them to my table.

When we were about 20 people, we were transferred to a distant office where we had to wait about one hour more.

Then an officer came with a bunch of passports and we were requested to sign a document stating that we were denied entry for “unclear purpose of travel”…

When I wanted to clear the situation and told them that I had a right to 30 days visa-exempt, a plane ticket to Malaysia from Phuket 29 days later and 3000 euro in cash on me, they told me that could not do anything, the decision was taken and could not be changed.

When I told them that I wanted to take a ticket to any country in South-east Asia, they refused and told me that I would go back to Paris on the next flight.

The same day, I was deported on a Qatar flight like a criminal, they kept my passport until arriving in Paris where the French police was waiting for me and gave me my passport back…

In 50 years travelling by plane in many countries in all continents, I have never had any problem with immigration, I always complied with the rules and I never had any problem in Thailand, never overstayed even one day.

I got a new passport in August 2018 with only the stamps and visas of my last trip in Thailand and Laos between November 2018 and April 2019.

When they stopped me at the immigration desk, I thought I would be asked a few questions and waited quietly. But nobody asked me anything and I do not know why : they forgot me ?

On the paper, the reason of the denying was “Unclear purpose of travel”, and on the blue stamp on my passport, in Thaï : ไม่มีปัจจัย = does not meet the requirements.

My purpose of travel was clear : tourism (riding a bicycle from BKK to Malaysia and back)

I was perfectly meeting the requirements. (visa exempt + ticket out of Thailand)

And I was very sad and upset to be deported from a country I like and respect very much.

So, I could not visit Thailand and went to Djerba in November-December. Next Monday 13 January, I will fly to Colombo (Sri Lanka) and spend 3 months there.

I plan to buy a bicycle and ride it around the Island.

First time I visit this country, I hope I will like it but I know it will not be so easy and comfortable as Thailand.

[acenase]

This is why it is important to fly into a neighboring country first so that when you get denied entry and they tell you to go back to where you flew in from, it won't be a long haul flight all the way back to Paris.  One of the good things about American flights is that there are no direct flights to Bangkok, so you have to layover in a neighboring country anyways. It's usually Europeans who make the mistake of doing a 12 hour direct flight to Bangkok only to get denied entry and having to fly another 12 hours back to Europe.

 

So before I arrive in Bangkok I'll be flying to Japan first that way if I have any problems at all, the worst case scenario is I'll get to go back to Japan. Just a little hack for people who have spent ample amount of time in Thailand and are at risk at being denied entry.

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, Claude22france said:

Today I will tell you in details what  happened to me last October

A poor way to be treated. I wonder if signing the paper was an error... although I expect one would be too nervous to become difficult with them. 

[DrJack54]

58 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

A poor way to be treated. I wonder if signing the paper was an error... although I expect one would be too nervous to become difficult with them. 

Spot on. Signing "the paper" gives them the right to basically do what they want.

Having said that it would be very difficult to have Mexican stand off. You would be in a detaining room. Try that for few hours and you would be happy to be sent anywhere. 

[Peter Denis]

7 hours ago, acenase said:

This is why it is important to fly into a neighboring country first so that when you get denied entry and they tell you to go back to where you flew in from, it won't be a long haul flight all the way back to Paris.

Yes, you can be denied on entry and forced to fly back to your point of embarkation.

But there is always a reason for doing that, and for sure it's not just 'a bad hair-day' from the immigration officer (although it's wise to avoid the grumpy-looking female ones).

Sometimes the reason IO provides is not correct, and the immigration officer makes it up to deny entry when he cannot prove his 'suspicions'.  One of them being that you are not a genuine tourist, and are coming too often to Thailand VisaExempt or on TouristVisa without using the proper Visa.  And the main suspicion IO might have if you are young is that you are illegally working in Thailand (which is difficult to prove, hence a bogus reason will do to deny you).

However, if you are entering on a Non Immigrant Visa, the chances of being denied are almost zero.

But when your are entering on a history of many VisaExempt entries, Tourist Visa and/or Ed Visa, the risk of being interrogated and possibly denied gets higher.  So in those cases flying into Thailand non-direct can be considered, especially when your destination is Suvarnabhumi (BKK) or Don Muan (DMK).

Flying into another thai international airport the chances of being denied are considerably less, same as entering via a land-border (except PoiPet).

Note: This being said, I really feel for Claude22France who clearly was unlucky on entry to be confronted with a non-lenient immigration officer.  The alternative entries mentioned higher could be applicable for him, next time when visiting Thailand.