Weinstein rape trial begins with film producer facing up to life in prison

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

I know from first experience that there are some women out there who are total pathological liars, who know 100% that due to their innocent appearance everyone will believe every word coming out of their lives. Not all of them live in Thailand !

And lots of them just happened to be in his room.

[micmichd]

5 hours ago, sirineou said:

Just remember , rape is not about sex as much as it is about power. 

  If the prosecutor did not think they could convict they would not had brought the case to court.

There will be a trial and we will know pretty soon.

Not a question of power. The prosecutor will have to prove violence. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, micmichd said:

Not a question of power. The prosecutor will have to prove violence. 

No the prosecutor does not have to prove violence.

 

The charges are of  rape.

[Berkshire]

17 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If he really raped those women then I hope he will be convicted to jail for years.

 

Having said that I really like to see if there is any evidence and if he will be convicted. Because it seems lots of women think that because they say something happened many many years ago we all should believe them.

Sorry I don't just believe them. Why didn't they come forward when it just happend? They could have shown their bruises to the police and let one or more doctors record the details.

Did Weinstein force them to stay in his room? Did he lock them in? Did he maybe hold them down? If that happened then there should be evidence.

Or did he make advantages and maybe they didn't like it but then they thought about all those wonderful film roles they might get. And maybe they thought that's a deal they should not miss.

 

Let's see what the evidence shows. If there is enough evidence convict him. And if there is no evidence then I hope Weinstein will start his own lawsuit to demand lots of money from the women who ruined his life. 

I'd tend to agree.  Weinstein is a slimeball.  But is he a serial rapist and criminal?  People are throwing around the word rape when perhaps it really wasn't.  If these women felt pressured to have sex with him to get ahead, they did so willingly.  It would be more like a quid pro quo sexual harassment, which is a civil matter, not a criminal one. 

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I'd tend to agree.  Weinstein is a slimeball.  But is he a serial rapist and criminal?  People are throwing around the word rape when perhaps it really wasn't.  If these women felt pressured to have sex with him to get ahead, they did so willingly.  It would be more like a quid pro quo sexual harassment, which is a civil matter, not a criminal one. 

The people ‘throwing around the word ‘rape’’ are the prosecutors.

 

Would you like us to ignore what is written in the charges?

[worgeordie]

I hope they see through his entering court using a Zimmer frame,it

happens often when some VIP gets caught doing something, they

resort to look at me I'm too ill to go to prison,another example 

here with the Black Panther killer,wobbling into court with walking

stick.

regards Worgeordie

 

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The people ‘throwing around the word ‘rape’’ are the prosecutors.

 

Would you like us to ignore what is written in the charges?

The prosecutors are going by the word of these women because that's all they have.  Don't get me wrong, rape is a serious crime.  If Weinstein raped these women, he needs to go to jail.  But if a woman willingly has sex with Weinstein to land a movie role, but later decides to call it rape....well, that's a problem. 

[metisdead]

A troll post and the replies have been removed. 

[micmichd]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No the prosecutor does not have to prove violence.

 

The charges are of  rape.

Hasn't the definition of "rape" changed several times since Weinstein was young? 

[IAMHERE]

If you got the part in the film then it was 'Quid pro Quo'; if you didn't get the part then it was rape.

[OneMoreFarang]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Back to she said he said then.

Presumed innocent till proven guilty gets a bit difficult when it all happened long ago and no one filed a police report.

If there are police reports and the police never acted on them, tell me I'm wrong.

And that is the main reason why the presumed victims should have alerted the police within hours or days after it happend. At that time it was probably possibel to find at least some evidence.

And even if the women thought at that time that he would not be prosecuted then they would be able to show now, many years later, that they informed the police.

If they didn't even bother to inform the police then maybe it wasn't really so bad or so important at that time...

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And that is the main reason why the presumed victims should have alerted the police within hours or days after it happend. At that time it was probably possibel to find at least some evidence.

And even if the women thought at that time that he would not be prosecuted then they would be able to show now, many years later, that they informed the police.

If they didn't even bother to inform the police then maybe it wasn't really so bad or so important at that time...

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the impact of rape on the victims.

[tifino]

2 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I hope they see through his entering court using a Zimmer frame,it

happens often when some VIP gets caught doing something, they

resort to look at me I'm too ill to go to prison,another example 

here with the Black Panther killer,wobbling into court with walking

stick.

regards Worgeordie

 

and the wobbly on the walking stick is akin

to a fella puitting on stillettoes, for the very first time ???? 

[micmichd]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the impact of rape on the victims.

The problem is these women come up years or decades later and say "It was rape because we say so" 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, micmichd said:

The problem is these women come up years or decades later and say "It was rape because we say so" 

It will be rape if the jury says so.

[OneMoreFarang]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the impact of rape on the victims.

And how long is that "impact"? Days? Weeks? Months?

Or does it take years before the presumed victims are ready to do something?

If there is no police record maybe there are records that they visited a psychologist, or maybe they reported sick for a few days from their work. Or something like that.

But if a presumed rape victim is i.e. on record visiting a party the next day then I think that should bring up the question if she was really shocked or depressed etc.

[Sujo]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

And how long is that "impact"? Days? Weeks? Months?

Or does it take years before the presumed victims are ready to do something?

If there is no police record maybe there are records that they visited a psychologist, or maybe they reported sick for a few days from their work. Or something like that.

But if a presumed rape victim is i.e. on record visiting a party the next day then I think that should bring up the question if she was really shocked or depressed etc.

Tell that to the young boys molested by priests. Some have lifetime psychological issues. Some suicide.

 

Yet near all the complaints from them were made decades later.

[micmichd]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It will be rape if the jury says so.

After several years with the #MeToo movement and all the noise they make it will be extremely hard to find an unbiased jury in the U.S.A. 

 

Are you aware that I as a man could turn the gun around and say "Those Western women that seduced me before I made career actually raped me"?

[micmichd]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Tell that to the young boys molested by priests. Some have lifetime psychological issues. Some suicide.

 

Yet near all the complaints from them were made decades later.

The Weinstein case is not about pedophilia as far as I know. 

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, micmichd said:

Not a question of power. The prosecutor will have to prove violence. 

Rape is by definition violence. 

[OneMoreFarang]

18 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Tell that to the young boys molested by priests. Some have lifetime psychological issues. Some suicide.

 

Yet near all the complaints from them were made decades later.

Yes, I am sure that makes a big impact on their life.

And additionally these are young children who are harassed and/or raped by someone who is supposed to be near to god. I guess for someone who believes in god that makes this very difficult.

On the other hand Weinstein's possible victims are (more or less) grown up. And Weinstein is no god. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I am sure that makes a big impact on their life.

And additionally these are young children who are harassed and/or raped by someone who is supposed to be near to god. I guess for someone who believes in god that makes this very difficult.

On the other hand Weinstein's possible victims are (more or less) grown up. And Weinstein is no god. 

As I observed earlier, somebody else who doesn’t understand the impact of rape on the victims.

 

You’ve said nothing that demonstrates otherwise.

[micmichd]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As I observed earlier, somebody else who doesn’t understand the impact of rape on the victims.

 

You’ve said nothing that demonstrates otherwise.

It's still open whether there was any rape or not. 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, micmichd said:

The Weinstein case is not about pedophilia as far as I know. 

Its about power. All studies have shown that. Be that power over young ones or old.

[Sujo]

Just now, micmichd said:

It's still open whether there was any rape or not. 

Of course its open.thats what jury of peers need to decide. But trying to denigrate the claims of alleged victims without that knowledge is, to be frank, stupid.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, micmichd said:

It's still open whether there was any rape or not. 

Which goes back to that other thing I said earlier, the jury will decide.

 

Oh but then (your post #49) you don’t trust the jury.

 

[RideJocky]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Tell that to the young boys molested by priests. Some have lifetime psychological issues. Some suicide.

 

Yet near all the complaints from them were made decades later.

So you’re equating young boys molested by priests with women meeting a Hollywood producer in his hotel room? 
 

 

[steven100]

should not be allowed to file a case after 3 months ....  otherwise it gets thrown out. 

If it is serious and it did happen then why not file immediately ?  why wait years  ?  for money perhaps ?

[micmichd]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which goes back to that other thing I said earlier, the jury will decide.

 

Oh but then (your post #49) you don’t trust the jury.

 

I don't know the jury. 

But I certainly don't trust the #MeToo movement who will take any chance to get a foot in the door for their "the woman is always the victim" agenda. 

[metisdead]

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