Pattaya: Thai maid savaged by Rottweilers in shop - is this breed really gentle and loving?

[kamahele]

I don't know these particular dogs but I do know the breed. They are generally extremely protective of their family and property. If they hadn't been socialized with the maid or were aggressive to others, they should have been kept separated. If however, it was a surprise visit..... 

[sead]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

It is a large size , powerful dog, an attack by a large powerful dog does lots of damage . If golden or any of the large breeds attacked , results would be the same.

 

• Labrador retrievers: 13.3%
• Pit Bulls: 8.4%
• German Shepherds: 7.8%
• Rottweilers: 3.9%
• Chows: 3.5%

Labradors lead the pack with the most number of attacks, which is a surprising discovery when taking into account the mild nature of the dogs.
https://chicagoinjurycenter.com/common-breeds

You just compared a rottweiler with a golden retriever.....there are 10 times more owners of an golden, labrador and German shepherd that that pitbull and rottweiler so your stats isn't correct

[Chazar]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

with dog lovers saying they are wonderful pets and dog haters

yeah black and white  eh haters /  lovers.................. they dont use them as  guard  dogs for  nothing then?

[Chazar]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

It is a large size , powerful dog, an attack by a large powerful dog does lots of damage . If golden or any of the large breeds attacked , results would be the same.

 

• Labrador retrievers: 13.3%
• Pit Bulls: 8.4%
• German Shepherds: 7.8%
• Rottweilers: 3.9%
• Chows: 3.5%

Labradors lead the pack with the most number of attacks, which is a surprising discovery when taking into account the mild nature of the dogs.
https://chicagoinjurycenter.com/common-breeds

well we'd  need to  know the amounts of  each dog ie 1   million labradors 1000 rottys

[sambum]

3 hours ago, johng said:

Yes the "dog lovers" always say their vicious mongrels are "lovely"  right up until they savage someone...

then its  ohh he never did anything like this before !! 

Or "it's not my dog"!

[Orton Rd]

1 hour ago, wombat said:

no such thing as a bad dog...only bad owners

 

we get this nonsense on every dog thread, of course their are bad dogs, these include the ones who attack people like these vermin. Most dogs are sneaky devious creatures that will attack when they think they can get away with it and more likely when there is more than one. Some breeds of course like 'rotties' 'staffies' and 'pitties' just need eradicating completely

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, nikmar said:

my friend has 2 rotties and they are wonderfull dogs, very gentle with the family's baby etc. They have, however been very well raised and that makes all the difference.

If I had a small child at my home no way would there be any of these breeds there . I really don't understand people who put animals above their family. 

[RotBenz8888]

13 minutes ago, kamahele said:

I have one and they are not unpredictable.

Look, any dog can bite no matter how well trained and sweet they are. 

[geoffrobbo]

1 hour ago, wombat said:

no such thing as a bad dog...only bad owners

 

Exactly !!

 

[jaiyen]

I am a dog trainer and I have seen many beautiful Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepherds etc. All dogs and any animal starts off life knowing nothing and picks up skill and attitude as they grow older. If they are badly trained, abused or forced to be guard dogs then they will be unpredictable or dangerous. I have trained these types too, to bring them back to being a good tempered dog.  Its all about the upbringing and training. Same applies to humans. Just look at the Thai population !!!  These 3 dogs have formed a pack and they are in charge. They must all be put down. A dangerous Rotty can not be reformed with kindness,

[yogi100]

You've only gotta look at the brutes. It's as plain as day what they can be like and what they're capable of. They're a German breed and are not called Butchers Dogs in The Fatherland for no good reason.

[BestB]

44 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

In the history of the media there are the little lies, the big lies and finally the statistics. This post is a perfect example.

Your statistics have no value if they are not compared with the overall population of dogs by breed.

For example, if there are 20 or 30 Labradors for one Pitbull, it is normal that there are more Labradors incidents. But this is in no way an indication of the dangerousness of the breed.

If you have a problem with statistics provided , then you should contact the referenced source and educate them on how it should be ????

[Don Mega]

5 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Look, any dog can bite no matter how well trained and sweet they are. 

Ive been to the hospital a few times for stitches after my Toy Poodle decided we were no longer playing games.

[JHolmesJr]

3 minutes ago, jaiyen said:

I am a dog trainer and I have seen many beautiful Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepherds etc. All dogs and any animal starts off life knowing nothing and picks up skill and attitude as they grow older. If they are badly trained, abused or forced to be guard dogs then they will be unpredictable or dangerous. I have trained these types too, to bring them back to being a good tempered dog.  Its all about the upbringing and training. Same applies to humans. Just look at the Thai population !!!  These 3 dogs have formed a pack and they are in charge. They must all be put down. A dangerous Rotty can not be reformed with kindness,

 

you were doing well till the last two lines. 

[BestB]

21 minutes ago, sead said:

You just compared a rottweiler with a golden retriever.....there are 10 times more owners of an golden, labrador and German shepherd that that pitbull and rottweiler so your stats isn't correct

I know being junior economist and and expert and all that may affect reading skills but to help you out It’s not my stats but from a source which is also quoted 

[Denim]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

It is a large size , powerful dog, an attack by a large powerful dog does lots of damage . If golden or any of the large breeds attacked , results would be the same.

 

• Labrador retrievers: 13.3%
• Pit Bulls: 8.4%
• German Shepherds: 7.8%
• Rottweilers: 3.9%
• Chows: 3.5%

Labradors lead the pack with the most number of attacks, which is a surprising discovery when taking into account the mild nature of the dogs.
https://chicagoinjurycenter.com/common-breeds

 

Not that surprising since the Labrador population is probably a lot bigger than Pit Bulls. See a lot more labradors here , even street dogs , than say Rottweilers etc.

[IvorBiggun2]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

Labradors lead the pack with the most number of attacks, which is a surprising discovery when taking into account the mild nature of the dogs.

First person to receive a face transplant was a french woman who's face was torn off by a Golden Labrador.

[tropo]

50 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

Size has nothing to do with this.

LOL. Do you think 3 poodles would have been a problem?

[Orton Rd]

what if the dog has no owner can they be bad dogs then?

[Don Mega]

7 minutes ago, tropo said:

LOL. Do you think 3 poodles would have been a problem?

My one Toy Poodle can be a nasty little fella when he wants and ive the scars to prove it.... 3 <deleted> of normal sized poodle would defo put the wind up me if they came at me at the same time.

[tropo]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

you dont know anything about dog behaviour...just shooting off your mouth.

So be it.

You started the shooting dude. If a dog requires special training, it is essentially a risk because not everyone knows how to train them properly. I'm surprised you don't have the intellect to grasp that.

[sambum]

33 minutes ago, jaiyen said:

I am a dog trainer and I have seen many beautiful Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepherds etc. All dogs and any animal starts off life knowing nothing and picks up skill and attitude as they grow older. If they are badly trained, abused or forced to be guard dogs then they will be unpredictable or dangerous. I have trained these types too, to bring them back to being a good tempered dog.  Its all about the upbringing and training. Same applies to humans. Just look at the Thai population !!!  These 3 dogs have formed a pack and they are in charge. They must all be put down. A dangerous Rotty can not be reformed with kindness,

2 contradictions in your post:-

 

"If they are badly trained, abused or forced to be guard dogs then they will be unpredictable or dangerous. I have trained these types too, to bring them back to being a good tempered dog."

 

"A dangerous Rotty can not be reformed with kindness,"

 

Or maybe you mean there is some other way to "reform a dangerous Rotty"?

 

 

 

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

You don't reform an aggressive dog with "kindness"....that usually backfires as it reinforces

and validates the dog's behaviour.

 

It's a process but it starts with one goal...and this should preferably be initiated by the owner

or a good trainer.

 

The first thing to do is to reset the dog's thinking. The dog should understand in no uncertain terms

that it can expect NO attention/affection/attention until it is calm and quiet. Just ignore it until it settles down.

When it does then you can pat it or be affectionate...a lot of owners miss this crucial step. This small step

in itself breeds a peaceful dog.

 

The next step is to socialise it with other dogs and humans...for this you use a muzzle. Once again, the dog should understand that the muzzle stays on until it settles dow and does not snap. There are some muzzles that actually tighten the more a dog tries to snap....once again, the dog is learning that good behaviour means no muzzle.

 

Obviously there's more but thats it in a nutshell.

 

 

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, poohy said:

Yes i have had Rottweilers

Rottweilers are big and strong and from my experience like all big dogs ,clumsy boisterous and playful not dangerous

However if they have been trained to be they will be!

 

A lot of people blaming the breed and not thinking what they have been trained for as mentioned by poohy above. With few exceptions, for a dog that has been raised in a family environment to attack (any breed) it has either been abused or has been trained to do so. This includes actual physical attack through territorial behavior (being noisy).

 

This argument IMHO should also include the individual countries that have 'banned breeds' that some posters have mentioned. We had some statistics shown earlier referring to attacks from breeds like labradors, German shepherds, huskies, etc; why aren't these breeds banned as well?

 

By banning entire breeds you lull the public into a false sense of safety, as any canine is capable of attack, dependent on subject to abuse, trained to protect/attack and mental stability.

 

And just to throw an olive branch to the dog haters out there, the exception to the above is that certain breeds can become protective of their owners, and when two or more dogs are together the pack mentality will take over if an attack is made. Owners will know this and it should be their responsibility to make everyone aware, ie, control access to their environment.

 

Without banning dogs as pets completely, it is impossible to have an incident free cohabitation with these animals or, as they are sometimes called, pets.

Edited January 7, 2020 by chrisinth

[Thingamabob]

It's all about the owners. 

Many of them should not be allowed to have dogs, or any other kind of animal for that matter.

[Tropposurfer]

Bred to kill bears I believe? Yes? They are from my experience of the across 63 years of living in Australia dangerous animals.

no place fir such dogs except inside chainwire fences to protect and guard businesses. Shouldn’t be allowed near people who aren’t responsible fir them. Same goes with those horrible killer American pit bulls also bred and psyche focussed to tear down prey and kill

[JHolmesJr]

8 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

Bred to kill bears I believe?

 

Not Rottweilers.....the ones you refer to are called Caucasian Ovcharka....they are certifiably 

insane if approached wrongly. Heres one against 3 rottys:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by JHolmesJr

[RotBenz8888]

59 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

what if the dog has no owner can they be bad dogs then?

Hehe, touche!

[poohy]

Here's a little savage!

Seriously we are talking about rottweilers as they figure in this story... BUT i would seriously say they pale into insignificance compared the Thai Bankeaw here in Thailand

Thats a right miserable unpredictable fierce piece of work,(and widely available as street dogs or combinations of) give me a rottweiler any day

[nobodysfriend]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Pattaya: Thai maid savaged by Rottweilers in shop - is this breed really gentle and loving?

Well , we have 2 Rottweilers ourselves ( in our walled in property of 5 rai ) , yes , they are gentle and loving and loyal and protective to the owner ... but not to strangers . Rottweilers are work dogs , they need to have a 'job ' something to do ... if they don't they naturally protect the owner and his ( or her ) property .

If that maid got bitten by the Rottweilers , that simply means that they took her for an intruder .

The owner is at fault there , as he should have presented the maid to the dogs first to teach them that she represents no danger .

If that woman would have worked there before , the dogs would have known her and would not have bitten her .

So , there is something wrong with this story .

I think , it was the first time that they encountered each other .

Edited January 7, 2020 by nobodysfriend