Police issue shoot to kill order in the search for thief who killed 3 in gold heist

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Schallfdampfers are everywhere there.

What's a schalldampfer?

[CharlieH]

3 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

What's a schalldampfer?

Silencer (German name)

[Just Weird]

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

5 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

What's a schalldampfer?

Silencer (German name)

I know.  I was wondering why he posted it in German!

[Just Weird]

9 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

14 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Charlie, the announcement was this, 

"The police have been ordered to track the robber down and to shoot to kill if he resists arrest"

In my post I was referring specifically to the "reward" article posted.

Come on, the OP (the "reward article") specifically stated "...if he resists arrest"! 

[Assurancetourix]

6 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

This kind of official announcement it's scary ..
we can thus see that Thailand is still very far from being a democratic country.

[DrTuner]

Proper Wild East, Dead or Alive. Where's Judge Dredd when you need him.

[jvs]

43 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"...if he resists arrest"! 

Yes and that could mean,feel free to shoot him if no one is around and you will get away with it.

[Catoholic]

shooting this guy to death is (#1) appropriate, (#2) too kind. ... and ... btw ... the police always shoot to kill.

[Nyezhov]

2 hours ago, JetSetFvr said:

Cans are very easy to make. Give me some pipe, some screen, and engine freeze plugs to fit and I can have one built in an hour.

I dooubt it will work on a semi auto but hey, Ill call your bluff. Where are you, Ill be over to watch. You have an hour. Good luck.

[Nyezhov]

58 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

But if they use those expressions it makes them cool, or legit!

No its just what we call them. The coolness of a noun is more in the mind of an observer. To me they are just cans, endless paperwork, but very useful for the hearing.

[Nyezhov]

2 hours ago, JetSetFvr said:

his former US Marine infantryman of 8 years would know.

well sorry Jarguy, the boys in the Rangers that I know call them cans. But hey, all you guys got your own slang. maybe they play video games, I dont, im too old.

 

Typing wise, Can is a lot easier than Sound Suppressor.

[dcnx]

Allowing the police here to shoot and kill when they don’t even know who their after is a terrible, terrible idea. 
 

They could pin this on someone they don’t like to close the case or accidentally kill the wrong person.

 

How about identity him first.

[dcnx]

1 hour ago, rwill said:

So I guess they have already identified who the shooter was.  Otherwise how would they know if they were chasing him or not?

Mai pen rai. Same same.

[tandor]

6 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

...how about it was the media who misinterpret the instruction...if confronted the police will take the appropriate action as they always do...nothing special about that.

[tandor]

11 minutes ago, dcnx said:

Mai pen rai. Same same.

...Keystone Cops remember.

[Oziex1]

1 hour ago, Gandtee said:

I agree. The culprit should receive the most severe punishment but if to be shot on sight where does the innocent until proven guilty come in? If the police become judge and jury where does that leave the justice system?

Pretty much in the same state it's always been in. 

[Mattd]

1 hour ago, Hoppyone said:

It’s said shoot to kill if he resists

Anyone who has been in Thailand for any length of time know this is police speak for kill him regardless, of course when asked, he will have been resisting!

Not saying it is right, just saying it as it is.

[josephbloggs]

58 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

This kind of official announcement it's scary ..
we can thus see that Thailand is still very far from being a democratic country.

Yeah because normally most countries vote on whether to arrest someone or not.

[roo860]

2 hours ago, meechai said:

Thailand Practical Shooting Association (THPSA) (สมาคมกีฬายิงปืนรณยุทธแห่งประเทศไทย) is the Thai association for practical shooting under the International Practical Shooting Confederation.

Have one at my club in Chiang Mai, have a competition every Sunday. 

 

2 hours ago, meechai said:

 

 

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, Chazar said:

But they need to start shooting from the ankles up,  slowly

which would help his dead victims no end

[A Los for words]

Assumption: The 'Shoot to Kill' order is real. It's hard to know for sure these days, so everything below this is based on that assumption.

Welcome to the Wild West  East. According to some of the posters, 'There's gonna be a hanging.' I'm of the opinion that without all the facts, even with the video evidence (which is a clip), such a proclamation is at best premature and at worst obscene.

While in no way diminishing the shock and grief of the innocent victims here, because this is horrific from every angle, I would like to be the sceptic in defence, not of the assailant, but of the right to a hearing. Judging by the reaction of the authorities, I think the only hearing will be the sound of a gunshot, but here goes with scenarios that are not a defence, but mitigation:

1. The assailant was drugged up or with diminished responsibility. (Guilty but mitigated).

2. As another poster mentioned, the real target wasn't the gold but the family. This was a contract killing so both the assailant and the person who issued the contract should be tried.

3. The assailant was told by the robbery organiser that the gun was loaded with blanks. Highly unlikely, but mitigating.

4. Someone was forcing the assailant to carry out the robbery; blackmail, extortion, kidnapping of a relative. Both guilty but mitigating for the assailant if the killing was accidental.

5. Botched robbery (most likely). Guilty. Gun supplier guilty of accessory.

6. Botched insurance job by the gold shop owner. Assailant, gun supplier and owner guilty of murder and conspiracy.

7. Business dispute. Assailant, gun supplier and rival guilty of murder and conspiracy.

 

Mitigating the other way (for a more severe sentence):

1. Automatic weapon with silencer.

2. Absence of resistance by victims.

 

I suspect that once the family come to terms with their grief, which could be a long time, they might want the answer to the question, 'Why?'.

A dead man will struggle to answer that question, which of course, opens up a whole new can of worms...

[DJ54]

Used silencer so not to attract more attention for getaway? Might be missing something but looks like clerk at the center wasn’t shot...may be I missed something. If not shot why. ....

[IAMHERE]

I want his fence punished too, unless the person buying the stolen gold turns him in. If I see a bike like his I'll report it to the police, better chance of it being his than me hitting the lotto.

[holy cow cm]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

...apart from shooting a kid?

Sorry. Not following you. He could have taken a lot of gold, more than just the tiny bit he took. He made ever effort to shoot people more than the gold grab. This seems like a message or payback to someone. Doesn’t even have to correspond to the gold shop. 

[metisdead]

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[Vacuum]

52 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Have one at my club in Chiang Mai, have a competition every Sunday.

Where, what time?

[P100]

Are there no rules by law when shoot to kill is allowed in Thailand ? Like the eminent danger to save own or other`s life? How can police be ordered to go out to the streets in order to shoot and kill ? This is Thai democracy ? Welcome to a country with no laws...

 

And what is that "special police task force"? Assassins?

[P100]

3 hours ago, JetSetFvr said:

well..............if you had read it you would see the article says. "if he resists"

rubbish. they are out to kill. they will kill if they think they have the target. and guess what, he resisted why tried to arrest him.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.  This topic is not about the terminology of schalldampfer or silencers. 

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

 

The order was "shoot to kill if he resists arrest". Which, in the context of a robber who needlessly shot and killed people and a 2 year old, seems reasonable advice.