mtls2005 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Lawmakers in Thailand Remove Cannabis From Narcotics List Thailand’s Public Health Ministry announced Tuesday that Cabinet has agreed to the removal of cannabis from the narcotic list. It was approved under ministerial regulation of the Public Health Ministry, Deputy Government Spokesperson Traisulee Traisaranakul, said. The regulation also states that researches would conduct research on the effects of cannabis in medicines, cosmetics, and herbs in line with government’s policy. Above all to boost the country’s production competitiveness. https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/news-asia-thailand/lawmakers-in-thailand-remove-cannabis-from-narcotics-list/ This article refers to HEMP with THC 0.3% max. Cannabis/THC is still ILLEGAL, listed in both the Psycotropics and Narcotics Acts. When/if Cannabis is decriminalized who knows what might happen with previous convictions/current prisoners? Royal Pardons perhaps upon Gazetting? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Don Chance Posted January 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2020 I guess the 80k baht deal is looking pretty good now, huh? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Hope the OP reads 007 Red post #180. He needs contact family and/or friends to back up needs for funds etc as described in that very helpful post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonhiker Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, 007 RED said: OP….. From your comment that, “the plan is to leave for Bangkok IDC and wait there that will take from 4 days to 2 weeks..” I take it that Immigration has decided that you are going to be deported. Firstly, you may well find that you will be in Phuket for some time. Immigration will need to arrange for you to be transported from Phuket up to Bangkok. This will involve arranging for a vehicle and officers to accompany you for the 12 hour road trip. Don’t expect a luxury sedan to take you, it will more than likely be a wire caged pickup with you sitting in the flatbed. Secondly, it is quite possible that they (Phuket Immigration) may well wait until they have several people that need to be transported to Bangkok, so this will also affect the time you will be in Phuket. That said, enjoy your time there in Phuket because where you’re going is not going to be so pleasant. When you arrive at the IDC in Bangkok you will be ‘booked in” and all your personal possessions such as your phone, laptop, camera, money etc. will be taken away from you. You will get these back when you are taken to the airport. They will allow you to keep a limited quantity of clothing and toiletries. If you have any medical issues, or need medication, make sure you tell them when you arrive at the IDC. You will be allocated to a room within the centre and given a blanket and hard pillow. The room normally holds 50 or more people at any one time. There are no beds, you will sleep on the floor in very cramped conditions. The room has overhead fans but no air conditioning so during the day it can be very hot and at night quite cold. There is a swat toilet at one end of the room. The smell in the room can be overpowering to say the least. You will be given 2 very basic meals a day and drinking water whilst you are being held in the centre. If you have money when you arrive you can ask that some, or all, be credited to your account. You can then use this to purchase better food and additional drinking water through the guards. There are pay phones in IDC, and you will need to arrange to use one and pay with credit from your account. Whatever you do, comply with instructions/orders given by the guards. IDC will inform your Embassy that you are being detained there whilst arrangements are made for your deportation. Don’t expect your Embassy to come running to your rescue, they won’t because they can not interfere with the ‘lawful process’. Your Embassy will only make sure that if you need medication you are provided with it and they will also arrange for your relatives to be notified if you want them to. Embassies generally will not provide funds to you. They may, however, arrange for money sent from a relative to be credited to your account in IDC if required. Some Embassies make a charge for this service. You can have visitors whilst you are in IDC. However, Immigration will only allow your close relative, legal representative or Embassy Officer to visit you in IDC. Your visitor will need to register with IDC prior to their arrival and if allowed in you and your visitor will be separated by dual fences about 1 meter apart in an open yard. Your visitor can bring food, water, clothing for you. They can also deposit money into your credit account. Whilst you are in IDC, Immigration will carry out a risk assessment on you. This will be based upon your conduct whilst you are in the IDC. Provided that you have behave yourself they will allow you to fly back home unaccompanied. If you are involved in any problems or disobey orders given to you whilst you’re in IDC they (Immigration) may decide that you need to be escorted during your return flight(s) and you will have to pay for the escort’s return flights and accommodation as well as your own flight costs. IDC will arrange for a travel agent to book your flight out of the Kingdom. This will be to your home country and you will have to pay the cost of the flight. Immigration normally require that your flight is a direct flight. If there are no direct flights to your home country then the travel agent will need to seek consent from both Immigration and the airlines involved for you to travel before a booking can be made and this can sometime take a few days. You need to be aware that a single flight ticket often costs as much, if not more, than a return flight ticket. Also, flights purchased at relatively short notice are usually very expensive. You will pay for your flight with money in your IDC credit account, or with your credit card if you have one. If you already have a return ticket (to your home country), this can be used as part payment toward your new ticket, regardless if it is, or is not, with the same airline. This may reduce the cost of the new ticket but not by a lot as there is normally a heavy penalty to pay when changing flights and dates etc. Don’t expect that your outbound flight will be the day after you pay for the flight. It is more than likely to be a week or more after payment has been made. Once again Immigration will need time to arrange transport and escorts to take you from IDC to the airport. Also, they (Immigration) try to arrange to transport for several people to the airport at one time. You may well be charged for the transport and escort costs. Prior to being taken to the airport you will be given back your possessions which were removed when you were booked into IDC, and any money still in your credit account. When you are taken to the airport you will be taken to the airport detention facility where you will wait for your flight. This facility will seem like a 5 star hotel compared to IDC. An airline representative will come to the detention facility to ‘check you in’. Just prior to normal passenger boarding you will be taken to the gate by security staff and handed over to the airline staff. The airline staff will keep your passport until you disembark at your home destination. Please be aware that your passport will have a nice red stamp indicating that you have been deported from Thailand and the reason why (this will be in Thai). It is also possible that the deportation stamp will be accompanied by a second stamp stating that you have been banned from entering the Kingdom for whatever period has been set by Immigration. You need to also be aware that Thai Immigration will notify their counterparts in your home country that you have been deported, the reason why and your flight details, so it is possible that you may have a welcoming committee waiting for you when you arrive back home. Best of luck. I'll be goddamned! ???? If they deny entry at an airport for whatever reason, do they put you into the same IDC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, moonhiker said: I'll be goddamned! ???? If they deny entry at an airport for whatever reason, do they put you into the same IDC? Denied entry has nothing to do with deported. If denied entry at passport control you would remain at airport in "detaining room" until flown back to where you embarked. Sadly this chap in far worse situation. Edited January 30, 2020 by DrJack54 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, moonhiker said: If they deny entry at an airport for whatever reason, do they put you into the same IDC? No, you'd be held at the airport. Edited January 30, 2020 by Salerno Note to self - type faster 555 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hiambruno Posted January 30, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, 007 RED said: OP….. From your comment that, “the plan is to leave for Bangkok IDC and wait there that will take from 4 days to 2 weeks..” I take it that Immigration has decided that you are going to be deported. Firstly, you may well find that you will be in Phuket for some time. Immigration will need to arrange for you to be transported from Phuket up to Bangkok. This will involve arranging for a vehicle and officers to accompany you for the 12 hour road trip. Don’t expect a luxury sedan to take you, it will more than likely be a wire caged pickup with you sitting in the flatbed. Secondly, it is quite possible that they (Phuket Immigration) may well wait until they have several people that need to be transported to Bangkok, so this will also affect the time you will be in Phuket. That said, enjoy your time there in Phuket because where you’re going is not going to be so pleasant. When you arrive at the IDC in Bangkok you will be ‘booked in” and all your personal possessions such as your phone, laptop, camera, money etc. will be taken away from you. You will get these back when you are taken to the airport. They will allow you to keep a limited quantity of clothing and toiletries. If you have any medical issues, or need medication, make sure you tell them when you arrive at the IDC. You will be allocated to a room within the centre and given a blanket and hard pillow. The room normally holds 50 or more people at any one time. There are no beds, you will sleep on the floor in very cramped conditions. The room has overhead fans but no air conditioning so during the day it can be very hot and at night quite cold. There is a swat toilet at one end of the room. The smell in the room can be overpowering to say the least. You will be given 2 very basic meals a day and drinking water whilst you are being held in the centre. If you have money when you arrive you can ask that some, or all, be credited to your account. You can then use this to purchase better food and additional drinking water through the guards. There are pay phones in IDC, and you will need to arrange to use one and pay with credit from your account. Whatever you do, comply with instructions/orders given by the guards. IDC will inform your Embassy that you are being detained there whilst arrangements are made for your deportation. Don’t expect your Embassy to come running to your rescue, they won’t because they can not interfere with the ‘lawful process’. Your Embassy will only make sure that if you need medication you are provided with it and they will also arrange for your relatives to be notified if you want them to. Embassies generally will not provide funds to you. They may, however, arrange for money sent from a relative to be credited to your account in IDC if required. Some Embassies make a charge for this service. You can have visitors whilst you are in IDC. However, Immigration will only allow your close relative, legal representative or Embassy Officer to visit you in IDC. Your visitor will need to register with IDC prior to their arrival and if allowed in you and your visitor will be separated by dual fences about 1 meter apart in an open yard. Your visitor can bring food, water, clothing for you. They can also deposit money into your credit account. Whilst you are in IDC, Immigration will carry out a risk assessment on you. This will be based upon your conduct whilst you are in the IDC. Provided that you have behave yourself they will allow you to fly back home unaccompanied. If you are involved in any problems or disobey orders given to you whilst you’re in IDC they (Immigration) may decide that you need to be escorted during your return flight(s) and you will have to pay for the escort’s return flights and accommodation as well as your own flight costs. IDC will arrange for a travel agent to book your flight out of the Kingdom. This will be to your home country and you will have to pay the cost of the flight. Immigration normally require that your flight is a direct flight. If there are no direct flights to your home country then the travel agent will need to seek consent from both Immigration and the airlines involved for you to travel before a booking can be made and this can sometime take a few days. You need to be aware that a single flight ticket often costs as much, if not more, than a return flight ticket. Also, flights purchased at relatively short notice are usually very expensive. You will pay for your flight with money in your IDC credit account, or with your credit card if you have one. If you already have a return ticket (to your home country), this can be used as part payment toward your new ticket, regardless if it is, or is not, with the same airline. This may reduce the cost of the new ticket but not by a lot as there is normally a heavy penalty to pay when changing flights and dates etc. Don’t expect that your outbound flight will be the day after you pay for the flight. It is more than likely to be a week or more after payment has been made. Once again Immigration will need time to arrange transport and escorts to take you from IDC to the airport. Also, they (Immigration) try to arrange to transport for several people to the airport at one time. You may well be charged for the transport and escort costs. Prior to being taken to the airport you will be given back your possessions which were removed when you were booked into IDC, and any money still in your credit account. When you are taken to the airport you will be taken to the airport detention facility where you will wait for your flight. This facility will seem like a 5 star hotel compared to IDC. An airline representative will come to the detention facility to ‘check you in’. Just prior to normal passenger boarding you will be taken to the gate by security staff and handed over to the airline staff. The airline staff will keep your passport until you disembark at your home destination. Please be aware that your passport will have a nice red stamp indicating that you have been deported from Thailand and the reason why (this will be in Thai). It is also possible that the deportation stamp will be accompanied by a second stamp stating that you have been banned from entering the Kingdom for whatever period has been set by Immigration. You need to also be aware that Thai Immigration will notify their counterparts in your home country that you have been deported, the reason why and your flight details, so it is possible that you may have a welcoming committee waiting for you when you arrive back home. Best of luck. Mate I thank you so much for this really useful answer it makes everything way to clear. I have only only question So after the court they gave me only the receipt for the fine I paid but I didn’t had the judgment paper of the judge to see what instructions I should follow and what process should I be at so I think someone is trying to fleece me here I’m not sure I’ll know tommorow morning cause I’m going to the court and ask for the paper (Judgement) and see if I actually have a deportation order cause I’m like I previously said I think they’re trying to screw me over 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Hiambruno said: I’m going to the court and ask for the paper (Judgement) and see if I actually have a deportation order cause I’m like I previously said I think they’re trying to screw me over Court doesn't usually order deportation for trivial offenses. There's been posters on the forum done for much worse offenses, and just got a small fine and future random tests. It's usually up to immigration. Edited January 30, 2020 by BritManToo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 What happens to guys who get banged up in the IDC who have no means or money to get out I have been told some guys have been in there years how true that is I dont know. The British government used to pay your fare home I dont think they do it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 57 minutes ago, ChipButty said: The British government used to pay your fare home I dont think they do it now I thought it was similar to Australia where they loan you the fair home and keep your passport until the loan is repaid which is fair enough.A little tip for the OP when buying illicit substances to carry in ones undies which would require a strip search(or much fondling) to be detected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 33 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said: I thought it was similar to Australia where they loan you the fair home and keep your passport until the loan is repaid It was a loan they kept your PP It happened to a friend of mine years ago though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevemercer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Can you get in touch with your lawyer to help you negotiate with the Phuket immigration office? Maybe there is still hope that you can get your passport back from whomever has it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiambruno Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Stevemercer said: Can you get in touch with your lawyer to help you negotiate with the Phuket immigration office? Maybe there is still hope that you can get your passport back from whomever has it? That’s what I’m Trying to do and i have no clue why I’m still outside.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hiambruno said: That’s what I’m Trying to do and i have no clue why I’m still outside.! So what's that mean? The lawyer has moved on to greener pastures. What do you do next? Go to Pattaya police? Think they currently have your passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiambruno Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: So what's that mean? The lawyer has moved on to greener pastures. What do you do next? Go to Pattaya police? Think they currently have your passport. It’s Phuket police that has my passport but I don’t know why they didn’t pick me up and lock me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post taninthai Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 I would be going to visit phuket police with an envelope in my pocket ???????????? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaos Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 They would take 20k most likely. Case closed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silencer Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 I have never been in your situation, but from following all of this, maybe you still do have a chance to avoid IDC/deportation. I agree with going to police station and see what is necessary to get your passport back (so you can fly home). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, DrJack54 said: So what's that mean? The lawyer has moved on to greener pastures. What do you do next? Go to Pattaya police? Think they currently have your passport. Please keep up Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Silencer said: I have never been in your situation, but from following all of this, maybe you still do have a chance to avoid IDC/deportation. I agree with going to police station and see what is necessary to get your passport back (so you can fly home). I'd ask my Consulate for emergency travel documents and be on the next flight out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Please keep up Doc I have been. My understanding is still in Pattaya. Can't contact his lawyer. The Pattaya police has his passport? Please post your take on current situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC 71 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 4:32 PM, 007 RED said: OP….. From your comment that, “the plan is to leave for Bangkok IDC and wait there that will take from 4 days to 2 weeks..” I take it that Immigration has decided that you are going to be deported. Firstly, you may well find that you will be in Phuket for some time. Immigration will need to arrange for you to be transported from Phuket up to Bangkok. This will involve arranging for a vehicle and officers to accompany you for the 12 hour road trip. Don’t expect a luxury sedan to take you, it will more than likely be a wire caged pickup with you sitting in the flatbed. Secondly, it is quite possible that they (Phuket Immigration) may well wait until they have several people that need to be transported to Bangkok, so this will also affect the time you will be in Phuket. That said, enjoy your time there in Phuket because where you’re going is not going to be so pleasant. When you arrive at the IDC in Bangkok you will be ‘booked in” and all your personal possessions such as your phone, laptop, camera, money etc. will be taken away from you. You will get these back when you are taken to the airport. They will allow you to keep a limited quantity of clothing and toiletries. If you have any medical issues, or need medication, make sure you tell them when you arrive at the IDC. You will be allocated to a room within the centre and given a blanket and hard pillow. The room normally holds 50 or more people at any one time. There are no beds, you will sleep on the floor in very cramped conditions. The room has overhead fans but no air conditioning so during the day it can be very hot and at night quite cold. There is a swat toilet at one end of the room. The smell in the room can be overpowering to say the least. You will be given 2 very basic meals a day and drinking water whilst you are being held in the centre. If you have money when you arrive you can ask that some, or all, be credited to your account. You can then use this to purchase better food and additional drinking water through the guards. There are pay phones in IDC, and you will need to arrange to use one and pay with credit from your account. Whatever you do, comply with instructions/orders given by the guards. IDC will inform your Embassy that you are being detained there whilst arrangements are made for your deportation. Don’t expect your Embassy to come running to your rescue, they won’t because they can not interfere with the ‘lawful process’. Your Embassy will only make sure that if you need medication you are provided with it and they will also arrange for your relatives to be notified if you want them to. Embassies generally will not provide funds to you. They may, however, arrange for money sent from a relative to be credited to your account in IDC if required. Some Embassies make a charge for this service. You can have visitors whilst you are in IDC. However, Immigration will only allow your close relative, legal representative or Embassy Officer to visit you in IDC. Your visitor will need to register with IDC prior to their arrival and if allowed in you and your visitor will be separated by dual fences about 1 meter apart in an open yard. Your visitor can bring food, water, clothing for you. They can also deposit money into your credit account. Whilst you are in IDC, Immigration will carry out a risk assessment on you. This will be based upon your conduct whilst you are in the IDC. Provided that you have behave yourself they will allow you to fly back home unaccompanied. If you are involved in any problems or disobey orders given to you whilst you’re in IDC they (Immigration) may decide that you need to be escorted during your return flight(s) and you will have to pay for the escort’s return flights and accommodation as well as your own flight costs. IDC will arrange for a travel agent to book your flight out of the Kingdom. This will be to your home country and you will have to pay the cost of the flight. Immigration normally require that your flight is a direct flight. If there are no direct flights to your home country then the travel agent will need to seek consent from both Immigration and the airlines involved for you to travel before a booking can be made and this can sometime take a few days. You need to be aware that a single flight ticket often costs as much, if not more, than a return flight ticket. Also, flights purchased at relatively short notice are usually very expensive. You will pay for your flight with money in your IDC credit account, or with your credit card if you have one. If you already have a return ticket (to your home country), this can be used as part payment toward your new ticket, regardless if it is, or is not, with the same airline. This may reduce the cost of the new ticket but not by a lot as there is normally a heavy penalty to pay when changing flights and dates etc. Don’t expect that your outbound flight will be the day after you pay for the flight. It is more than likely to be a week or more after payment has been made. Once again Immigration will need time to arrange transport and escorts to take you from IDC to the airport. Also, they (Immigration) try to arrange to transport for several people to the airport at one time. You may well be charged for the transport and escort costs. Prior to being taken to the airport you will be given back your possessions which were removed when you were booked into IDC, and any money still in your credit account. When you are taken to the airport you will be taken to the airport detention facility where you will wait for your flight. This facility will seem like a 5 star hotel compared to IDC. An airline representative will come to the detention facility to ‘check you in’. Just prior to normal passenger boarding you will be taken to the gate by security staff and handed over to the airline staff. The airline staff will keep your passport until you disembark at your home destination. Please be aware that your passport will have a nice red stamp indicating that you have been deported from Thailand and the reason why (this will be in Thai). It is also possible that the deportation stamp will be accompanied by a second stamp stating that you have been banned from entering the Kingdom for whatever period has been set by Immigration. You need to also be aware that Thai Immigration will notify their counterparts in your home country that you have been deported, the reason why and your flight details, so it is possible that you may have a welcoming committee waiting for you when you arrive back home. Best of luck. 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DrJack54 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, KC 71 said: Good Post OO7 RED You post the whole thing to state "good post". Yes it is. Just hit like. The OP has replied to that post along with a thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: I have been. My understanding is still in Pattaya. Can't contact his lawyer. The Pattaya police has his passport? Please post your take on current situation. My understanding is Pattaya has nothing to do with it - bought and busted in Phuket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC 71 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: You post the whole thing to state "good post". Yes it is. Just hit like. The OP has replied to that post along with a thank you. Sir Yes Sir Sorry Pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, Salerno said: My understanding is Pattaya has nothing to do with it - bought and busted in Phuket. Yes correct. Thinking of other thread. So OP in Phuket currently. What's options from here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: What's options from here? I would say exactly the same as you suggested, just less travelling 555 Worthy a try rather than just hanging around for a long hot trip in a cage to Bkk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalorymetr Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, BritManToo said: I'd ask my Consulate for emergency travel documents and be on the next flight out. Wouldn't the immigration know about his case and not let him through? Edited January 31, 2020 by Kalorymetr 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Any update, op? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 12 hours ago, daveAustin said: Any update, op? Hopefully he's en-route to ATH. If officially deported then no direct flights, so that may complicate matters. Imagine many airlines can/would refuse deportees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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