Never leave the lab without checking your HIV test results.

[Mick501]

23 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

The OP only talks about HIV, which, admittedly is (unless your immune system already sucks) hard to contract from vaginal intercourse, but... There are other diseases that are just as devastating. HPV, Hepatitis B/C, Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, etc. HPV can cause your wife cancer down there. Hepatitis B has a vaccine but if you get infected, there's no cure. Hepatitis C has a cure now but it is 75,000$ per shot, and requires several (this information may be 2 years out of date).

But the point was that only HIV screening, while some others have 1 in 3 chance of infection is putting your family in danger.

 

As mentioned about Thai Red Cross (HIV-NAT at Ratchadamri/Sarasin intersection), that is HIV research centre and they do have Thailand's best lab, even though they are basically a public service so their vampires aren't as good as you'd find in private hospitals and may leave looking like a serious drug addict if your veins aren't very visible - but that aside, they can detect infection after 2 weeks of it starting and do a confirmation test 3 months later.

 

I hope you knew that tests in other hospitals may not show positive until 3 months after infection, and that there is a threshold between negative or positive, not a 0 or a 1. So even someone 100% infected, on antiviral cocktail of drugs can test negative when lowering the virus count below threshold.

Hep C is transmitted by blood.  Got to be some seriously unusual acts to catch it from sex.  Most other diseases are treatable by anti biotics and really just nuisance value.

 

not condoning or condemning the behaviour, but facts are important.

[bobbin]

59 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

 So even someone 100% infected, on antiviral cocktail of drugs can test negative when lowering the virus count below threshold.

Not true..

Even when the virus is undetectable due to successful ART the test will always show positive, as the test is for antibodies/antigens.

Current advice however is that undetectable equals untransmissible. U=U

[tomazbodner]

45 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Hep C is transmitted by blood.  Got to be some seriously unusual acts to catch it from sex.  Most other diseases are treatable by anti biotics and really just nuisance value.

 

not condoning or condemning the behaviour, but facts are important.

According to Mayo Clinic, the infection rate is up to 3%, and is more common when either of the partners has another STD. There is a slight risk of infection through oral sex even, but the highest infection rate in monogamous vaginal intercourse seems to be when either partner has HIV as well. Infection rates are higher from men to women than women to men. So "some seriously unusual acts" might not be "seriously unusual".

Edited January 27, 2020 by tomazbodner

[tomazbodner]

4 minutes ago, bobbin said:

Not true..

Even when the virus is undetectable due to successful ART the test will always show positive, as the test is for antibodies/antigens.

Current advice however is that undetectable equals untransmissible. U=U

Antibodies test will always show positive. But quick test (30 min) might not. At least that came out of discussion with the doctor at HIV-NAT some years back. I was given that paper what all I want to test... had no idea what any of that meant so I checked everything that smelled of STD on it... so I had to get explanation on what all of that meant and this came up in discussion.

[Mick501]

8 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

According to Mayo Clinic, the infection rate is up to 3%, and is more common when either of the partners has another STD. There is a slight risk of infection through oral sex even, but the highest infection rate in monogamous vaginal intercourse seems to be when either partner has HIV as well. Infection rates are higher from men to women than women to men. So "some seriously unusual acts" might not be "seriously unusual".

Link please

[Beggar]

There are self test kits available. But just HIV and only better than nothing since there are other STDs. 

 

 

[inThailand]

Wasn't this post about falsely reported results?

 

Instead, he's getting lectured by the holier than now TV crowd. Let those without sin cast the first stone comes to mind.

[PaoloR]

6 minutes ago, inThailand said:

Wasn't this post about falsely reported results?

 

Instead, he's getting lectured by the holier than now TV crowd. Let those without sin cast the first stone comes to mind.

There is a difference between sin and idiocy.

Many of us sin when the opportunity arises but only a completely selfish idiot would put the wife (that he says he cares about!) at risk because he can't say no to unprotected sex with a hooker. He says he carries condoms with him - so no excuse not to use one

[Sheryl]

24 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Antibodies test will always show positive. But quick test (30 min) might not. At least that came out of discussion with the doctor at HIV-NAT some years back. I was given that paper what all I want to test... had no idea what any of that meant so I checked everything that smelled of STD on it... so I had to get explanation on what all of that meant and this came up in discussion.

 

Quick test is an antibody test (some newer generation ones are combined antibody/antigen).

 

Antibodies take time to form and will nto be detectable at first. But once they are the person will be antibody positive for life.

[jaf3]

There is an over the counter medication that prevents HIV infection - called Prep (I believe the brand in TH is Ricovir or Tenvir). You dont have to take it every day. If you know you are headed into a weekend of boom-boom, start it the day before and take it through 1-2 days after your last boom. This is not the way it is 'officially' supposed to be used, but it works. This advice based on research done by the gay community in San Francisco at your service....

 

[Just Weird]

19 hours ago, luckyluke said:

21 hours ago, Just Weird said:

So many holier-than-thou, indignant comments here from so many moralistics who have apparently been here for some time and have "never" done the same bareback thing.  Frankly, it's not very believable

I don't think the so called "moralists" here would have a problem with the o.p.'s way of doing if he wasn't married. 

I did not say "moralists", I said "moralistics" (there's a big difference) but what the OP does is none of their business particularly in the context that I mentioned.

[Thaidream]

Every now and then I go to a bar where 'ladies' are available to rent.  As I have learned to speak Thai- I find them to be one of the most boring places there is.  The discussion is worthless; it's all like a broken record.  

 

If single- I would never  pay for their services no matter how alluring they might be.  Since married- I have no desire for their services- mainly just the beer and reinforcement of how I don't miss the 'action'/

 

Sheryl's advice is flawless-  the OP is playing Russian Roullette and each time he does this- the odds become greater the bullet will be in the chamber.

 

 

[Momofarang]

34 minutes ago, inThailand said:

Wasn't this post about falsely reported results?

 

Instead, he's getting lectured by the holier than now TV crowd. Let those without sin cast the first stone comes to mind.

No worries Mate, the howls here may trigger something.

But I am not sure I'll manage to do much better, I must have had over 50 STD tests over the past 20 years, just to show that I am not exempt of guilt. My problem is that whenever I am facing one of those cutely trimmed mounds, my reptilian brain takes over and I can hear lour and clear "PENETRATE". During all the pre-test interviews I met many of those dried out spinsters whose only message was "you must ALWAYS wear a condom". But once one nurse managed to have the right tone; a giggling chubby Swiss girl who said "Yeah good sex always involves a bit of folly, but please try to be careful".

[Momofarang]

2 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Every now and then I go to a bar where 'ladies' are available to rent.  As I have learned to speak Thai- I find them to be one of the most boring places there is.  The discussion is worthless; it's all like a broken record.  

Don't get it man? unless one can catch an STD from a conversation?

[Pravda]

4 hours ago, Denim said:

Thai proverb :

 

While the cats away the mice play.

 

She might have a few confessions to make too.

 

More like a barstool proverb. 

[twix38]

Anyone who has unprotected sex with a prostitute who is willing to do this (says all you need to know) is an idiot!

 

You sir are not only an idiot but as it takes 3+ months to produce antibodies to show in any test then when you do eventually run out of luck you will have had repeated sex with your wife for months whilst infected. Playing a lottery. Tell your wife she is in a game of Russian roulette and see if she thinks the odds and risks are acceptable. 

 

 the politest term I can think of is idiot.

Edited January 27, 2020 by twix38

[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, twix38 said:

Anyone who has unprotected sex with a prostitute who is willing to do this (says all you need to know) is an idiot!

 

You sir are not only an idiot but as it takes 3+ months to produce antibodies to show in any test then when you do eventually run out of luck you will have had repeated sex with your wife for months whilst infected. Playing a lottery. Tell your wife she is in a game of Russian roulette and see if she thinks the odds and risks are acceptable. 

 

 the politest term I can think of is idiot. 

I woild put a worse term to it because while he is free to choose to take these risks fir  himself (as he has obviously chosen to do) he has absolutely no right to expose his wife without her knowledge and consent.

[twix38]

Anyone who has unprotected sex with a prostitute who is willing to do this (says all you need to know) is an idiot!

 

You sir are not only an idiot but as it takes 3+ months to produce antibodies to show in any test then when you do eventually run out of luck you will have had repeated sex with your wife for months whilst infected. Playing a lottery. Tell your wife she is in a game of Russian roulette and see if she thinks the odds and risks are acceptable. 

 

 the politest term I can think of is idiot. 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely Sheryl. Idiot is the politest term I can use. My actual thoughts are unprintable but closer to a vile selfish human being. It just shows that anyone can justify almost anything!

If his wife was having unprotected sex with male prostitute behind his back and he found he had contracted hiv whilst he had been monogomous I'm sure he'd say fair enough! She weighed up our risk and proceeded in secret justifying this by tests that would only show infection months after passing on hiv to me

Edited January 27, 2020 by twix38

[Thaidream]

5 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

Don't get it man? unless one can catch an STD from a conversation?

There is no depth to any conversation with most sex workers.  They are incredibly boring to talk to unless you like talking about the same subject over and over again.  Their English is poor but so is their Thai skills also.  

 

There job is toget you to give them money for a sexual experience- they don't care about you= they certainly don't do it for the pleasure and are some of the best actors in the World.  Many come from broken homes or abusive relationships; mostly uneducated; some drug addicts and others decent human beings  living a hopeless existence.  I certainly don't look down on them but simply realize who they are.

 

IMO- you are rationalizing your actions- you are stating you cannot control yourself-and thus engage in risky behavior.  You most likely are a sex addict. I.m not here to throw shade at you-  you know what is right and wrong but  by doing this you are involving others in your inability to control yourself-  your wife and the other sex workers.

 

I give you  credit for coming on an open forum like this and telling the truth about yourself.  If you so desire- there are English speaking counselling agencies in Bangkok that have  both foreign and Thai  specialists.

[Momofarang]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

The Five Precepts are considered an important source of authority in Buddhism. The third Precept offers guidance on how to achieve a successful marriage. 'Do not engage in sexual misconduct', instructs Buddhists to be content within marriage and not to commit adultery as this will cause suffering.

And it is widely practiced in Thailand.

[Mick501]

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

According to Mayo Clinic, the infection rate is up to 3%, and is more common when either of the partners has another STD. There is a slight risk of infection through oral sex even, but the highest infection rate in monogamous vaginal intercourse seems to be when either partner has HIV as well. Infection rates are higher from men to women than women to men. So "some seriously unusual acts" might not be "seriously unusual".

Most experts believe that the risk of sexual transmission of HCV is low. Most studies show that only a small percentage of people – usually ranging from 0-3% – contract HCV through unprotected heterosexual intercourse with a long-term, monogamous HCV-positive partner. Health Canada estimates the risk that a person will get HCV from unprotected sex with a steady HCV-infected partner at 2.5% over 20 years.

 

 

not sure what is usual in your life that you are regularly transferring blood during intimacy, but even if you were, the chance is still minuscule.  Thought you'd gotten away with your deliberate misrepresentation then, didn't you?

[TheFishman1]

So you cheat on your wife have unprotected sex What a guy 

[bobbin]

The gem among all these posts is that Prep will protect against HIV virus. As one poster already mentioned, if you know this behavior takes place whenever you go Bangkok every 3 months, it is possible to start Prep a few days prior and for a few days after. Google EDPrep. If you cannot pinpoint when you might get the need to play away. then consider daily use. It is well tolerated by most and has been available over the counter in California for about 2 months already.

 

Now that you know this, it is time to stop putting an innocent person at risk.

[BobbyL]

Some absolute wrong 'uns in this country. 

[Fairynuff]

29 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

I give you  credit for coming on an open forum like this and telling the truth about yourself.

I don’t give him any credit. He’s flippant and cares nothing for his wife. His post looks more like bragging than anything else. All I’d give him is contempt 

[grubman]

At the end of the day the OP is trying to say check your results before you leave the clinic, if he wants to sleep around unprotected it is his decision and his risk to take, but not to inform his wife and put her a risk is not a good idea. 

Let's hope the few minutes of bliss is worth a lifetime of suffering. 

Cheer

Grubman

Edited January 27, 2020 by grubman

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, bobbin said:

The gem among all these posts is that Prep will protect against HIV virus. As one poster already mentioned, if you know this behavior takes place whenever you go Bangkok every 3 months, it is possible to start Prep a few days prior and for a few days after. Google EDPrep. If you cannot pinpoint when you might get the need to play away. then consider daily use. It is well tolerated by most and has been available over the counter in California for about 2 months already.

 

Now that you know this, it is time to stop putting an innocent person at risk.

She will still be at risk of herpes, hepatitis, stphilis, gonorrhea and a number of other things.

 

And Prep does not protect 100%.

 

But I agree it would do at least something unlike his current approach which is no precautions followed by tests of dubious validity.

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, Momofarang said:

No worries Mate, the howls here may trigger something.

But I am not sure I'll manage to do much better, I must have had over 50 STD tests over the past 20 years, just to show that I am not exempt of guilt. My problem is that whenever I am facing one of those cutely trimmed mounds, my reptilian brain takes over and I can hear lour and clear "PENETRATE". During all the pre-test interviews I met many of those dried out spinsters whose only message was "you must ALWAYS wear a condom". But once one nurse managed to have the right tone; a giggling chubby Swiss girl who said "Yeah good sex always involves a bit of folly, but please try to be careful".

Since you are unable to make yourself use a condom the solution is obviously to avoid such situations in the first place. 

 

People on weight loss diets don't hang out at all you can eat buffets.

 

At some point before your "reptilian brain" takes over you chose to go somewhere where commercial sex was on offer and to go off alone with a prostitute. That is the point to target rather than hoping to exert self control further at an advanced stage of the proceedings when you already know you cannot.

 

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, twix38 said:

it takes 3+ months to produce antibodies to show in any test then when you do eventually run out of luck you will have had repeated sex with your wife for months whilst infected.

I had no sex with my wife for over 18 months before separation.

The OP claims he is married with a "happy" family....no indication of his at-home sex life at all

 

The OP is not alone, I know several older guys in Pattaya who claim they do not use condoms with their st girls....so possibly infected and transmitting.  

 

 

[natway09]

What is your PSA reading ?

Or after all the above dribble you will not share ?