Marriage Extension: Home Visit

[Lacrimas]

5 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

The three times I had a home visit were of 20 min. duration and no money or drinks passed hands (I did offer some water but it was declined). Never asked about my source of money (isn't that what the bank book copies/letters are for?). They just wanted visual proof I wasn't some scamming expat faking a marriage. And I don't blame them a bit..

Why did they come 3 times? Shouldn't it be only for the first extension?

[CraigInBangkok]

2 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

The three times I had a home visit were of 20 min. duration and no money or drinks passed hands (I did offer some water but it was declined). Never asked about my source of money (isn't that what the bank book copies/letters are for?). They just wanted visual proof I wasn't some scamming expat faking a marriage. And I don't blame them a bit..

Whats the point of coming 3 times though? ... I understand them checking 1st year but people that have already been married for years and people whom they already visited, I don't see the logic.

[glegolo]

It is really awful to read all these comments from guys that are o scared so half of it would be enough.... You are aware that these immigration-guys are employees, and that they are paid by Thailand, and that Thailand paying for the freaking gasolin when at work.....

 

Do NOT pay them, you just make it even more troublesom for you fellow countrymen and others, when doing that.

 

Greet them with coffe tea or cold water NOTING MORE..... WHY SHOULD YOU DO MORE???....

 

relax

Glegolo

[Lacrimas]

Just now, glegolo said:

It is really awful to read all these comments from guys that are o scared so half of it would be enough.... You are aware that these immigration-guys are employees, and that they are paid by Thailand, and that Thailand paying for the freaking gasolin when at work.....

 

Do NOT pay them, you just make it even more troublesom for you fellow countrymen and others, when doing that.

 

Greet them with coffe tea or cold water NOTING MORE..... WHY SHOULD YOU DO MORE???....

 

relax

Glegolo

Because the guy on the phone clearly said to give them money for fuel

[glegolo]

Just now, Lacrimas said:

Because the guy on the phone clearly said to give them money for fuel

That is a scam and pure corruption. For God sake, relax do NOT pay them

 

glegolo

[CraigInBangkok]

Just now, glegolo said:

That is a scam and pure corruption. For God sake, relax do NOT pay them

I think all are aware of what it is ... the poor guy just wants his visa though

[from the home of CC]

9 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Why did they come 3 times? Shouldn't it be only for the first extension?

Initially that's the way it was but I believe after uncovering people who were scamming (divorced/separated and their files not updated) or 'marriages of convenience' they decided to be more vigilant. Once again, people doing the right thing being inconvenienced by those who don't. Part of the reason I have zero empathy to those who believe Thai law doesn't apply to them who then are caught up in their own bs.. 

Edited February 13, 2020 by from the home of CC

[sandrabbit]

20 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

I see. I'm asking about the visit at home 

about 15 mins

[InsertNameHere]

I've had since our last move 2 home visits and the first time had a police pick-up with 4 men and 1 lady. The oldest of the men asked questions took pictures around in and outside of our home. Their was however no mention of money or anything as they did not take a glass of water. Now, the lady that was with them was trying to talk her into giving money to all of them including her. I simply said I DO NOT PAY ANY MONEY for something they are require to do by their own government. They all left without any hassle but the lady officer was upset that I did not offer or pay any money.

2 nd renewal the same office were sent to the house to verify if the marriage was real or fake in which I just laughed as what deems real or fake? But, the officer came to the house this time with 3 men o ladies and were very nice as the officers were younger and 1 was wearing a NY City police hat lol. They again did the same routine of talking and questions of our marriage took pictures inside and out with us and the officers in them and questioned a thai friend in our village and had him sign a piece of paper stating who he was and how he knew me and the wife. 

I was told by the Immigration Office by our house "this will be done every year with the home visits unless we have a child"? I was like ok so where in any law dos it state for a marriage MUST produce a child? I guess a child somehow makes the marriage real???

it just seems to me all unnecessary political bs and seeing who they can get money from and who they can not. law is law here and if I am paying for and abiding by such laws. Then their really is no reason to pay anything as all this is covered in the fees we pay.

[sandrabbit]

35 minutes ago, sandrabbit said:

Also, the immigration office visit yesterday was efficient, in and out in about an hour and a half.

 

28 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

I see. I'm asking about the visit at home 

 

[transam]

There is a hot line to report staff asking for money. Plus, anyone handing over cash could be deemed a bribe and you could be in doo-doo.....

[CraigInBangkok]

Just now, transam said:

There is a hot line to report staff asking for money. Plus, anyone handing over cash could be deemed a bribe and you could be in doo-doo.....

Who is on the phone at the other end of the hotline though? I agree if you are legal you should nt have to pay and I also think agents are another scam that I won't pay for. I do understand why people use them though

[Lacrimas]

1 hour ago, transam said:

There is a hot line to report staff asking for money. Plus, anyone handing over cash could be deemed a bribe and you could be in doo-doo.....

LOL in your country maybe. Not here. 

[thequietman]

1 hour ago, transam said:

There is a hot line to report staff asking for money. Plus, anyone handing over cash could be deemed a bribe and you could be in doo-doo.....

When you call, they ask for your name & address. I sheee ite you not! ????

[transam]

18 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

LOL in your country maybe. Not here. 

Ooooooooooh yes there is............????

[wtfracing]

Don't pay them any thing as they are not entitled to it, they are paid government employees who are corrupt. They most likely picked you out as an easy scared mark when you were at the immigration office.

[Lacrimas]

52 minutes ago, wtfracing said:

Don't pay them any thing as they are not entitled to it, they are paid government employees who are corrupt. They most likely picked you out as an easy scared mark when you were at the immigration office.

I want my visa so I'll pay. I have lived here long enough to understand how things work. Scared mark my <deleted>.

[bert bloggs]

21 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

I want my visa so I'll pay. I have lived here long enough to understand how things work. Scared mark my <deleted>.

I wanted my visa ,but we paid nothing ,were asked for nothing ,they even declined a drink , they were very polite 

[Lacrimas]

14 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I wanted my visa ,but we paid nothing ,were asked for nothing ,they even declined a drink , they were very polite 

I guess at your IO they are more reasonable. Unfortunately it varies all over Thailand. Sometimes I wish I lived in a province where there are no tourists at all. It seems that tourism = corruption here.

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

I guess at your IO they are more reasonable. Unfortunately it varies all over Thailand. Sometimes I wish I lived in a province where there are no tourists at all. It seems that tourism = corruption here.

Well we have quite a lot of tourists here in Pattaya ,i think???? but my wife is a business woman as are our neighbours and we live in quite a largish house (one of the smallest on the estate) so it could be that they just don't risk asking ,but to be honest i just don't know . As i have said before i have always found Jomtien staff quite cheerful if not somewhat busy .

[EricS]

That’s a good question actually about the coffee because I had a similar experience but jeez did they actually ask you for money? That I find hard to believe in today’s Thailand but ever since the last immigration boss left maybe they’re slowly going back to the old ways who knows. When I did my marriage extension last month the immigration supervisor did me a pretty decent favor because a few of the dates of my deposits were a little early but it wasn’t a big deal she called their division hq and she got it pre-approved for me over the phone so I’m good now.
 

After the immigration supervisor told me that she had called their head office and it was approved she jokingly said that I should bring either cookies or donuts or something like that I don’t recall exactly in March when I go back for my one year stamp. Now she was saying it jokingly laughing as she said it in fact but I smiled and said sure I’d be happy to. So I might actually bring donuts when I go back but I’m kind of scared to because I don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea like it’s a bribe or something and it’s really not, technically there could be ethical issues but it’s nothing I haven’t done before in my home country in the past 30 years dealing with my own government with their little clicks and their good ol’ boy system it’s no different anywhere. But I am probably going to bring in donuts just to be nice because I did say I would. I know she’ll remember they always remember us. I remember last year she was another immigration worker who actually did my extension last year but this year now she’s the boss. When she told me it was approved she probably saw my facial expression change and I probably just gave her a free read on me which is fine because I’ll get them to walk it through for me in one day if I can. I will bring it directly into her office though and try to keep it at least a little bit discreet of course I’d be embarrassed if I show up and she’s gone or something especially if no one else remembers. I’m still contemplating whether or not that’s a good idea. I think it’s ok because I said I would but the same supervisor better be there and she better remember. 

[EricS]

He probably misunderstood him a little bit on the phone possibly but who knows. 

[Lacrimas]

18 minutes ago, EricS said:

He probably misunderstood him a little bit on the phone possibly but who knows. 

No, he called again yesterday in the late afternoon and reiterated they want fuel money with my wife too.

[Youlike]

20 hours ago, CraigInBangkok said:

Its a 3-4 hour round trip for me to go CW immigration and I live in bangers. I think I will demand coffee and money next time I have to goto immigration

They even don't give you water or hand disinfection cream while you have to go there for 3 hours with the neighbours in tow who had to take a day of from work.

[Youlike]

20 hours ago, CraigInBangkok said:

Whats the point of coming 3 times though? ... I understand them checking 1st year but people that have already been married for years and people whom they already visited, I don't see the logic.

And what's the point of showing pics of you and your wife in the house, bringing the neighbours to them to get interviewed as well...and after that they'll come to your house, want to see all and also go to interview more neighbours.

[EricS]

11 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

No, he called again yesterday in the late afternoon and reiterated they want fuel money with my wife too.

Well that hardly seems believable but possible. Doubtful they’d be so open about it. This is why some offices prefer you bring witnesses for your first extension instead of a home visit which was a lot easier for us my first year here. 

[EricS]

You know this is probably just more misinformation just like the insurance scam and other stuff. This is what they’re resorting to now that everything else they’ve said has been proven wrong. 

[CraigInBangkok]

9 minutes ago, Youlike said:

And what's the point of showing pics of you and your wife in the house, bringing the neighbours to them to get interviewed as well...and after that they'll come to your house, want to see all and also go to interview more neighbours.

Luckily I never had to take neighbours to the interview, I did'nt even know that was a thing ... We say hello to them but don't know them well enough to ask them to come for an interview. I have also never had a visit which I am a little surprised about but also happy.

[recom273]

I would pose the question .. Who has ever been refused due to lack of tea money? 

 

i worked here for 15 years prior to my extension, The rule of thumb is to never ask for too (much detail) and just presume By asking them what they want have opened a can of worms.

 

You presume they are getting paid for their job, you presume any fees were paid their visa fee, so why would you pay petrol money - just answer the questions and smile. 

 

My visitor just gave me 20 mins notice, just time to clear a space on the table and take a quick shower. No time to run to the ATM.

[CraigInBangkok]

13 minutes ago, recom273 said:

I would pose the question .. Who has ever been refused due to lack of tea money? 

Which in turn make me wonder ... What kind of "good guys" have they let in because of tea money?

Edited February 14, 2020 by CraigInBangkok