Smokers and Covid-19: Regular cigarette and e-cigarette users face 5,000 fine for lighting up in public

[owl sees all]

10 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Scientific reference please ?

The wife is getting to it right now, But post #17 says it all.

 

41 minutes ago, Youlike said:

In Europe they scapegoat the virus for dirty air, air with much pollution (like in the italian mountains, serious!) contributes to the spread of the virus...i read it in the newspaper.

Youlike probably meant a 'medical paper', not any old newspaper.

[Sambotte]

I"m searching, randomly :

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

No mention of smoke.

 

Can not find much.

 

Anyway non-sense with fire pollution in north, diesel pollution everywhere, and Thaïs still burn trash regularely !

 

But of course, target the smokers... So easy-lazy.

[Sambotte]

Not sure smoke from cigarette can cary the virus, first. Does not like heat. Maybe not toxics either.

 

I doubt cig-smoke would cary more than breathe. Air humidity would be more important maybe.

 

And for sure cig-smoke is a very tiny factor compared to diesel, burning, cooking-smoke on the street, trash burning, etc.

 

Looks like a non-sense to me.

 

Next : DON'T BREATHE ! ????

 

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

I"m searching, randomly :

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

No mention of smoke.

 

Can not find much.

 

Anyway non-sense with fire pollution in north, diesel pollution everywhere, and Thaïs still burn trash regularely !

 

But of course, target the smokers... So easy-lazy.

I've not even looked for it on the internet Sambotte. Good you have.

 

Mrs Owl read it on one of her (Thai) media platforms and told me about it. She is in the shower right now; so no link tonight I fear.

 

The way I see it is this: If a virus is carried out into the big wide world - eg by a sneeze - it will fall to the ground quite quickly unless it attaches itself to something that gets more easily carried in the breeze. It (the virus) will die eventually, but might stay alive longer on a smoke particle.

[Rookiescot]

If you are a farang and a smoker you are screwed.

Never mind that the virus was brought about by Chinese people eating stuff they shouldn't be eating. AGAIN. 

Do these muppets actually believe the stuff they come out with or is it just a scatter-gun approach? 

[bangkokbonecollector]

This place knows no bounds!

[ianezy0]

39 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

This is what happens when a bunch of thick, sociopathic gangsters run things from a governmental to village level in a country with one of the poorest education systems on the planet. 

 

Enjoy the show. There's nothing else like it on Earth. 

So you are a smoker then ????

[Sambotte]

23 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The way I see it is this: If a virus is carried out into the big wide world - eg by a sneeze - it will fall to the ground quite quickly unless it attaches itself to something that gets more easily carried in the breeze. It (the virus) will die eventually, but might stay alive longer on a smoke particle.

I think we both have no idea about that ????

Virus is very light, so gravity will not affect it too much i think ? No idea.

Droplet can be of any size/weight i guess. Air contain water, droplet ? I mean can stay in air for how long, being a support for virus or not ?... No idea.

 

That's why i wait for ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE about that theory of smokers spreading more the virus, looks non-sense to me.

 

Refering to the non-scientific article i mentionned : "The new coronavirus can survive for several hours in air particles" anyway, not sure smoke can make a difference ? Looks like air is enough, for hours.

 

And : "The coronavirus can also become airborne, staying suspended in the air for hours, depending on the heat and humidity, they said."

Heat, and humidity. Nothing about smoke.

 

So i did not find evidence about smoke, first.

 

But mainly : smokers are targeted, when diesel (you SEE smoke from truck every day ! and personaly, make me sick !), old motorcycles, even cars, street-cooking food (i hate that smell toxic), trash burning (every day in Phuket), and the top : HUGE BURNING year after year in the north, and other factor, make WAY MORE SMOKE than all the smokers in the world !

 

Almost nothing is done about pollution. But hell, kill the smokers... So weak this is.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Sambotte

[Yadon Toploy]

12 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

So you are a smoker then ????

Nope. 

 

[CeeGee]

So has the penalty for using an e cig been reduced from up to 10 years in jail and a fine to 5000 baht or are the BIB now going to jail and fine  you for having an e cig and then fine you for actually using it.Oh and some unknown penalty for spreading the virus.

Sounds like a very good scheme for improving the BIB income now tourist number are down

 

 

[DrTuner]

43 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Next : DON'T BREATHE ! ????

That's the only known cure for corona. Too bad it kills the patient.

[Sambotte]

I read something about a poor girl having huge trouble for just HAVING a e-cig.

And 10 years jail, seriously... To be sure to get money i guess.

e-cig are sooo dangerous...

 

Yeah, i think i will never do the elite visa after all, too many negative signs.

Being in Phuket today, saw 1 very nice Thaï, but 10 barely even polite. I know it's Phuket. But i wonder. Thailand has changed, drastically i would say.

 

To stop myself from being mad, a joke :

Will they try to stop women to smoke ? (i hope, FOR YOUR HEALTH, that you get the joke ????)

[vogie]

32 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If you are a farang and a smoker you are screwed.

Never mind that the virus was brought about by Chinese people eating stuff they shouldn't be eating. AGAIN. 

Do these muppets actually believe the stuff they come out with or is it just a scatter-gun approach? 

It's not a case of what brought the Covid 19 to the forefront whether it started with eating bats, rats or cats, it's all about how you can survive this terrible virus. The healthier the body the more chance of survival and by smoking you are lowering that chance of survival.

So who are the muppets?

[lovesthespicy]

Good 2nd hand smoke kills. Nothing worse then walking by stinky smokers. They should make it so we can take pictures to Narc for 1kbaht out of the fine.

[Sambotte]

But still : i can smoke on the street or not ? 

Where is the smoking law ? ????

[Silencer]

On the other hand, smokers "smoke" identifies where their breath is travelling...so you can jump out of the way or run for cover. Non-smokers are the silent, stealthy killers, you never know where their breath goes once it leaves their mouth.  ????

[monkfish]

Could it actually be that Propylene Glycol Aerosol one of the main ingredients in E-Cigarettes actually eliminates the Virus

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3181/00379727-48-13383

 

THE BACTERICIDAL ACTION OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL VAPOR ON MICROORGANISMS SUSPENDED IN AIR. I
"It has been found that propylene glycol vapor dispersed into the air of an enclosed space produces a marked and rapid bactericidal effect on microorganisms introduced into such an atmosphere in droplet form. Concentrations of 1 gm. of propylene glycol vapor in two to four million cc. of air produced immediate and complete sterilization of air into which pneumococci, streptococci, staphylococci, H. influenzae, and other microorganisms as well as influenza virus had been sprayed."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/

 

Harris TH, Stokes Jr. J. The effect of propylene glycol vapour on the incidence of respiratory infections in a convalescent home for children: preliminary observations. Am J Med Sci 1942;204:430.

Harris TH, Stokes Jr. J. Air-borne cross infection in the case of the common cold: a further clinical study of the use of glycol vapours for air sterilization. Am J Med Sci 1943;200:631.

Robertson OH, Bigg E, Puck TT, Miller BF, Technical Assistance of Elizabeth A. Appell. The bactericidal action of propylene glycol vapor on microorganisms suspended in air. I. J Exp Med 1942;75:593 610.

Puck TT, Robertson OH, Lemon HM. The bactericidal action of propylene glycol vapor on microorganisms suspended in air: II. the influence of various factors on the activity of the vapor. J Exp Med 1943;78:387 406.
 

Edited March 21, 2020 by monkfish

[englishoak]

Smoke is a pollutant and tobacco smoke, particularly factory produced cigarettes with the added chemicals is a lung irritant and inflammatory, its the act of smoking thats the  problem rather than the smoke in the air.  Pollution particles including smoke particles/tar can and do adhere to smaller particles like bacteria and viruses and can inhibit growth infection as it clogs and damages the bacteria or virus receptors lessening its ability to attach and infect just as it can damage cells in the body... Of course the damage done to the respiratory system by pollutants is another issue entirely. Pollutants also make airborne particles heavier thus harder to hang in the air,  thats why exhaust fumes are worst around waist level or lower and why you should never push your kids around in an open pram facing away from you, its at the highest exposure level and they will get the very worst fumes and pollutants directly in the face.

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by englishoak

[DrTuner]

47 minutes ago, monkfish said:

Could it actually be that Propylene Glycol Aerosol one of the main ingredients in E-Cigarettes actually eliminates the Virus

Well damn, you've found the cure. We should all vape to kill any corona in the airways. I'd like to nominate you for the Nobel.

[Monomial]

1 hour ago, monkfish said:

Could it actually be that Propylene Glycol Aerosol one of the main ingredients in E-Cigarettes actually eliminates the Virus

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3181/00379727-48-13383

 

THE BACTERICIDAL ACTION OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL VAPOR ON MICROORGANISMS SUSPENDED IN AIR. I
"It has been found that propylene glycol vapor dispersed into the air of an enclosed space produces a marked and rapid bactericidal effect on microorganisms introduced into such an atmosphere in droplet form. Concentrations of 1 gm. of propylene glycol vapor in two to four million cc. of air produced immediate and complete sterilization of air into which pneumococci, streptococci, staphylococci, H. influenzae, and other microorganisms as well as influenza virus had been sprayed."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/

 

Harris TH, Stokes Jr. J. The effect of propylene glycol vapour on the incidence of respiratory infections in a convalescent home for children: preliminary observations. Am J Med Sci 1942;204:430.

Harris TH, Stokes Jr. J. Air-borne cross infection in the case of the common cold: a further clinical study of the use of glycol vapours for air sterilization. Am J Med Sci 1943;200:631.

Robertson OH, Bigg E, Puck TT, Miller BF, Technical Assistance of Elizabeth A. Appell. The bactericidal action of propylene glycol vapor on microorganisms suspended in air. I. J Exp Med 1942;75:593 610.

Puck TT, Robertson OH, Lemon HM. The bactericidal action of propylene glycol vapor on microorganisms suspended in air: II. the influence of various factors on the activity of the vapor. J Exp Med 1943;78:387 406.
 

 

Sadly very little information here. The paper is hidden behind a paywall but I was able to get at it via SciHub. There is absolutely ZERO in the entire paper about its genuine effects on viruses.  It only talks about bacteria. The only mention in the entire paper about viruses is the following paragraph:

 

"Propylene glycol vapor was also found to exert a lethal or at least an inactivating effect on the virus of influenza. This was determined by tests in which the presence of the glycol vapor in concentration of 1:3,000,000 was shown to protect mice completely against infection with amounts of air-borne influenza virus that produced death regularly in the control animals (19)."

 

If you then look at footnote 19 it references "Robertson, O. H., Loosli, C. G., Puck, T. T., Bigg, E., and Miller, B. F., Science, 1941, 94, 612" which is apparently the only real paper:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17740060

 

I also obtained that paper, and on page 613 of Science published on Dec. 26, 1941, there is a description of the test they ran to make these statements. Unfortunately, it wasn't propylene glycol in the lungs that they tested, but creating an enclosed atmosphere where Propylene Glycol vapor was mixed uniformly throughout the entire chamber.  The mechanism by which it inhibited the virus was never investigated, but the authors suspected that virus particles hitting a glycol drop could swallow the virus and neutralize it in some way. Again, this was done *outside* the body in the air, and required a very high concentration of propylene glycol to have any effect.

 

Not saying there is no way this hypothesis could have some validity, but this paper certainly offers no support that there could be any benefit from it in vivo.   You would need to do a real, proper study before making any claims.

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Monomial

[nomad2019]

 Can i breathe 

[White Christmas13]

12 minutes ago, nomad2019 said:

 Can i breathe 

Well if you look like the pic Yes

[lamyai3]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

A leading figure in the fight against Covid-19 has said that smokers - even e-cigarette ones - can easily spread the virus if they are infected.

I wonder how China failed to pick up on this important detail, given the fact that in recent years they've produced and consumed 30% of the world's cigarettes. 

[JimmyTheMook]

Good smokers are absolutely disgusting.

 

[Sambotte]

11 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I wonder how China failed to pick up on this important detail, given the fact that in recent years they've produced and consumed 30% of the world's cigarettes. 

Important detail ?

The guy said, that's all until now.

ANY scientific back-up ?

[Sambotte]

33 minutes ago, nomad2019 said:

 Can i breathe 

Only if you have the TM66, witch depends on the TM00, not to mention the TM99, obviously.

You must prove you got a shower in the last 1h via a letter from the pope.

And well, if the cop is not too hungry.

[lamyai3]

22 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Important detail ?

The guy said, that's all until now.

ANY scientific back-up ?

I'm guessing the batteries in your irony detector need replacing. 

[Sambotte]

Sorry, missed it indeed ???? 

My GF not here, i am weaning (if i got the right word) - for her smoking -, makes me not happy ???? Ho, no, withdrawal, hooo...

Edited March 21, 2020 by Sambotte

[jabis]

5 hours ago, Sambotte said:

I did not pay yet. They will lose my 500.000 and many smokers if they go crazy.

What next ? No boum-boum ? Contagion. "For your safety".

Freedom is something i do not sell.

Well then nobody suffered any loss - you didn't buy the visa, so you have not been affected, nor has Thailand suffered any loss from your lack of buying an elite visa ????

[Creasy]

Well the esteemed BIB need to make up for the revenue shortfall when there are not many tourists around