Boosting our immune systems to resist the virus -- what might help and what doesn't?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

The only thing buying vitamins does for you is give you expensive urine

Not if you have a deficiency. 

[collingwood]

Because this virus has kept mutating, no one knows. If you go Vit C, you need to mega dose with it intravenously or Liposomal. What you get from health food stores ect, are  synthethic..Ascorbic acid. As it being a soluable Vit, it passes straight through your system. Which ever process or combinations of vitamins and antioxidants  you try, boosting your immune system is paramount, which includes exercising as well as a diet high in fruit and vegies. that's my take on it!

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not if you have a deficiency. 

1% of 1% of 1% of the population? Yeah, right

[unsubscribe]

I read a post from a nurse in the phillipines who said patients who were given large IV doses of Vitamin C were doing better.

 

Load up on Vitamin D, naturally via sun if possible

 

Elderberry extract (inhibits viral replication)

 

reduce sugar and alcohol

 

Load up on zinc as explained in the video:

 

[Orton Rd]

9 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

The only thing buying vitamins does for you is give you expensive urine

Some actual Doctors would disagree

 

[Iron Tongue]

So any fat lardie with high blood pressure and diabetes, who smokes, boozes daily and lives on a diet of fried food, needs only to eat garlic, ginger, onions, turmeric and a handful of aspirin will boost their immune system enough to beat a covid-19 infection, especially if they think positively!

 

Wow, and here I thought proper nutrition, regular cardio and strength training along with plenty of rest was the key!  How could I have been so wrong?

 

[ThaiBunny]

How about reading the facts - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/coronavirus-myths-from-around-the-world-busted-by-experts/12054310

[LarryLEB]

On 3/22/2020 at 2:06 PM, david555 said:

So now the 20th century medics have discovered the "Sanatoria System" who where in use almost a hundred years before at sea sides or high in Swiss mountains for lung patients as TBC ….. amazing modern medics 55555

Images of Thomas Mann's wonderful book, The Magic Mountain.

Edited March 23, 2020 by LarryLEB

[LarryLEB]

22 hours ago, Logosone said:

Bat soup with Chinese Ginseng will work wonders.

 

 

Served with a fine dusting of ground pangolin scales?

[OZinPattaya]

Get plenty of sleep. I read somewhere-can't recall where or guarantee its credibility-that studies showed that people who get less than 7 hours of sleep are 3 time more likely to get the cold or flu. Social distancing, frequent use of hand sanitizers, and I mean frequent, get a portable bottle of sanitizer and use it religiously. Don't touch your face. This, I'm discovering, needs to be a conscious effort at first.  It is so unconscious an act.

 

Excessive alcohol consumption is known to depress the immune system. Hear that, fellow Pattayans?

 

Everyday I juice a combination of mango, raspberry, kale, garlic, passion fruit. I'm not a big believer in the power of supplements, other than their ability to lighten the wallet. B12 is a smart supplement, although maybe not for immunity. Many people have a B12 deficiency.

 

One thing that drives me crazy is people blathering in elevators. People need to keep their freaking traps shut in very confined spaces. 

[Tchooptip]

On 3/22/2020 at 1:08 PM, Logosone said:

Fresh air will work, taking multivitamins is not only clinically proven to be entirely useless except for pregnant women but can also be counter-productive.

 

There is no evidence at all that Vitamin C supplements will work.

 

Fresh air is the best thing.

 

Identifying and isolating carriers and the sick is the most important. Isolating the healthy non-carriers from the healthy will accomplish nothing.

There is no evidence at all that Vitamin C supplements will work

That is your opinion, same opinion as pharmaceutical industry who sees with a bad eye all that could decrease by a single small dollar its phariminous turnover of billions of billions of dollars and who pays handsomely Google to tamper with its results so that all the unfavorable answers are relegated to pages 3,000,623 and following.

 

Vitamin C may affect lung infections	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2099400/
Vitamin C for preventing and treating pneumonia	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23925826
Vitamin C and Infections	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5409678/
Vitamin C Can Shorten the Length of Stay in the ICU: A Meta-Analysis.	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30934660
Combined vitamin C, hydrocortisone, and thiamine therapy for patients with severe pneumonia	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30029205
Vitamin C and acute respiratory infections.	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10488881
Vitamin C supplementation and respiratory infections: a systematic review.	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15605943
Is Vitamin C Beneficial to Patients with CAP?	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27363830
Vitamin C, the Miracle Cure: 60 Minutes Living Proof	https://youtu.be/xxWCNn1rIRo
Vitamin C, respiratory infections and the immune system	https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/comments/S1471-4906(03)00286-2
Vitamin C and Community-acquired Pneumonia	https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/ajrccm.184.5.621a
Vitamin C and pneumonia and other severe infections	https://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/hemila/VitC_pneumonia.htm
Vitamin C and SARS coronavirus	https://academic.oup.com/jac/article/52/6/1049/731701
Could Vitamin C be the Cure for Deadly Infections?	https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-deadly-infections-be-cured-vitamin-c-180963843/
High-dose Intravenous Vitamin C as a Successful Treatment of Viral Infections	https://riordanclinic.org/2014/02/high-dose-intravenous-vitamin-c-as-a-successful-treatment-of-viral-infections/
Mitochondria and the Coronavirus - The Vitamin C Connection	https://www.evolutamente.it/mitochondria-the-coronavirus-the-vitamin-c-connection-part-3/
Chinese Medical Team Reports Successful Treatment of Coronavirus Patients with High-Dose Vitamin C	https://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/2020/03/chinese-medical-team-report-successful-treatment-of-coronavirus-patients-with-high-dose-vitamin-c/
Intravenous vitamin C as adjunctive therapy for enterovirus/rhinovirus induced acute respiratory distress syndrome	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28224112
Gander J, Niederberger W (1936) Vitamin C in der Pneumonia Behandlung [Vitamin C in the treatment of pneumonia]. Münch Med Wschr 83:2074-7	https://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/hemila/T1.pdf or https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7b37/490dfcdc7a98ba7e3bd744a15886873701db.pdf
Can Vitamin C Prevent and Treat Coronavirus?	https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228745
How to Use Vitamin C During Illness	http://www.doctoryourself.com/cathcart_C_summary.html
Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml
Vitamin C Infusion for the Treatment of Severe 2019-nCoV Infected Pneumonia	https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533
Vitamin C and COVID-19 Coronavirus	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n14.shtml
Three Intravenous Vitamin C Research Studies Approved for Treating COVID-19	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n12.shtml
Early Large Dose Intravenous Vitamin C is the Treatment of Choice for 2019-nCov Pneumonia	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n11.shtml
Vitamin C and its Application to the Treatment of nCoV Coronavirus	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n09.shtml
Hospital-based Intravenous Vitamin C Treatment for Coronavirus and Related Illnesses	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml
Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus	http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Tchooptip
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[Mac98]

Gargle with salt water to kill virus before it gets into your lungs. Get a tan.

 

 

[Logosone]

5 hours ago, rabas said:

Thailand does have a flu season. It roughly correlates with the warm rainy season coming up. But like you say numbers are weaker in Thailand.

 

 

No, there is no flu season in Thailand:

 

"Although there were peaks in influenza-associated mortality in Thailand during 2006 through 2011, they were not consistent in their timing."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4605410/

 

So peaks yes, season no.

[SovietChild]

I drink Kombucha everyday here in Thailand. According to internet, it's good for immune system.

[partington]

7 hours ago, SovietChild said:

I drink Kombucha everyday here in Thailand. According to internet, it's good for immune system.

The internet is never wrong.

[7fish]

Selenium. Get all you need from 3 brazil nuts per day

[Jingthing]

As I stated before, I think addressing the VITAMIN D (preferably D3) is something people should seriously consider in regards to promoting lung health (and resistance to serious reactions due to a viral infection). 

 

I realize Thailand is sunny but there are still a lot of reasons people are not getting enough of it.

 

-- Maybe you don't really go out in the sun much after all

-- Older people tend to absorb sunlight D more poorly

-- Overweight and obese people especially with abdominal far tend to absorb it more poorly

-- There are many common medications that interfere with absorbing it

 

About dosage, older and overweight/obese probably could use more than the standard recommended supplement dosage.

 

Ideally you would go and get a blood study and check if you're deficient. but that really isn't necessary to decide to supplement now.

 

Obviously don't megadose on it but toxic dosages are way higher than you'll get in a typical pill.

[Jingthing]

An article discussing some of these ideas. 

I don't see anything in article to convince me that it isn't a good thing to take vitamin d supplements. 

Also sounds like it couldn't hurt to have some zinc in stock to take in case you start feeling symptoms.

 

https://elemental.medium.com/the-truth-about-vitamin-d-zinc-and-other-coronavirus-rumors-a217eb4b655f

 

The Truth About Vitamin D, Zinc, and Other Coronavirus Rumors

What might work, what probably doesn’t, and what’s flat-out wrong

[Jingthing]

Antiviral herbs?

 

To be taken before to strengthen immune system and if it happens after infection.

 

Lomatium Dissectum

Associated with Native Americans. I don't think it's available in Thailand.

 

Elderberry (supplements)

Available in Thailand (pharmacies and Lazada, etc.)

 

I'm not endorsing these herbs but if someone has something to add about them pro or con, you're welcome to comment.

 

This video is about Lomatium but Elderberry is mentioned in the comments and I've heard about it in this context before and the "Doctor" in this video is positive on it as well.

 

Don't blame me for the "politically incorrect" rhetoric in the video regarding Native Americans.

 

I am considering the elderberry. Not expecting any miracles but I don't see how it would hurt.

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Jingthing

[UbonThani]

High cholesterol converts sunlight into vit d more

[UbonThani]

 

Star anise

The flower-shaped spice contains shikimic acid that is used as a base material for the production of Tamiflu, which is used for influenza virus. It is super powerful as an anti-viral. Take star anise and boil it in water and add it to your teas like green tea or black tea.

[SovietChild]

On 3/24/2020 at 4:14 AM, partington said:

The internet is never wrong.

 

Really? Tell me more!

[NightSky]

Here's what i aim for..

 

1. 8 hours sleep every night

2. multi vitamin + minerals every morning (include vitamin D)

3. clean diet (plenty of veges, no sugar, low carbs, sensible protein and fat intake)

4. daily fitness workout (brisk walking would do to begin with or calisthenics in the home)

5. no smoking, no alcohol

6. interactions with others (social)

7. annual health check up / blood tests

8. common sense

9. daily fix of ThaiVisa forum ranting to vent frustrations (optional)

[HauptmannUK]

 

[Lacessit]

Regular sex, fresh fruit and vegetables, exercise. I'm doing the best I can.

[DrTuner]

Some generic information on how immune system works and how it starts producing antibodies (which are the ones most 'rapid' tests look for):

https://news.stanford.edu/2016/08/02/stanford-researchers-show-make-antibodies/

 

Since this is a new virus, only those that have already had it have some sort of immunity, for some period of time.

 

For others, the immune system must first learn how to generate antibodies that work. Not much seems to be known about the parameters affecting the speed with which the novel antibodies develop. Could be dumb luck.

 

Staying healthy in general, sleeping and eating well will at least give the immune system more time to battle it out without the body succumbing to the disease.

[Jingthing]

Some more thoughts on this. However even though this is largely an anti-supplement article, it made me want to buy some ZINC!

Again -- be careful with Elderberry.

 

Quote

Don’t rely on supplements to treat or prevent the Covid-19 virus

 

https://cuencahighlife.com/dont-rely-on-supplements-to-treat-or-prevent-covid-19/

 

 

[Chazar]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200408-covid-19-can-boosting-your-immune-system-protect-you