Covid-19 = no food stalls=starving soi dogs - please help them!

[Card]

Whatever you may think of soi dogs, many of them in Thailand have become dependent on food stalls for their survival through no fault of their own. The Covid-19 pandemic has led to most of their food sources disappearing. I can see several starving dogs appearing on the beach area in Jomtien, so each evening I am starting to make a full pot of rice and mix it with small dog biscuits and a tin of dog meat to give to the worst cases.

 

I am making an appeal for others on this forum to do the same thing in their respective areas if the dogs' food sources have been cut off and it does not risk their own health. You will make some good friends in the process!

[Ron jeremy]

If the Thais were responsible, these dogs wouldn't be around. 

Wild packs of mongreals roaming the streets, get rid of them all, not  feed them.  

[Card]

6 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

If the Thais were responsible, these dogs wouldn't be around. 

Wild packs of mongreals roaming the streets, get rid of them all, not  feed them.  

There's always one like you. Always. You could say the same about homeless people, and you probably do.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Card

[Ron jeremy]

8 minutes ago, Card said:

There's always one like you. Always. You could say the same about homeless people, and you probably do.

thats right, where else in the world do u see wild packs of mongrel dogs roaming the streets?  

Now is the time to do away with them.

[mauGR1]

Unfortunately i see the same every high and low season.

When the dogs get fat and happy, and when the dogs get less food and become aggressive.

Surely you don't expect the few foreigners which are left to take care of the problem.

[sapson]

9 minutes ago, Card said:

Wild packs of mongreals roaming the streets, get rid of them all, not  feed them.

Especially the ones with motorbikes! but good idea to feed the soi dogs, they have little alternative.

[jadee]

What are you doing? Don't feed them! You're just making them dependent on you - then you can't stop feeding them until the pandemic ends and the food stalls come back! The most humane thing (and the best thing to do from a public health standpoint) is to put the dogs down/cull them. 

[jacob29]

24 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

Wild packs of mongreals roaming the streets, get rid of them all

This sounds like Thai immigration deliberating on a visa amnesty

[Card]

10 minutes ago, jadee said:

What are you doing? Don't feed them! You're just making them dependent on you - then you can't stop feeding them until the pandemic ends and the food stalls come back! The most humane thing (and the best thing to do from a public health standpoint) is to put the dogs down/cull them. 

We all know that culling or better, sterilisation, is the best solution. That is obvious. But you want me to do that or are you volunteering? In the meantime, I prefer to reduce their suffering and help them to stay alive or there will be rotting fetid corpses everywhere with nobody around to take them away. The dogs on Jomtien beach are friendly, used to humans and cause no problems as far as I have found. They don't deserve the consequences of Covid.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Card

[jacob29]

9 minutes ago, jadee said:

What are you doing? Don't feed them! You're just making them dependent on you - then you can't stop feeding them until the pandemic ends and the food stalls come back! The most humane thing (and the best thing to do from a public health standpoint) is to put the dogs down/cull them. 

I'm split on this.. I know the long term goal should be sterilizing the dogs to stop the population growing, but for the dogs doing ok before this crisis (and I think many were, but honestly I'm not sure), it seems reasonable enough. I know sometimes street vendors basically adopt the dogs, but might have returned home or left town at this time.

[sungod]

Soi dogs/beach dogs are an issue, despite what people like soidog foundation say it makes no difference what they do, living in cloud cuckoo land. I've seen the dogs on wongamat beach multiply 4 times in 6 months, my oldest son does not want to run on the beach anymore as he is scared of the pack of dogs.

 

I have dogs of my own, but people who encourage strays are just plain nuts.

[Card]

21 minutes ago, sungod said:

Soi dogs/beach dogs are an issue, despite what people like soidog foundation say it makes no difference what they do, living in cloud cuckoo land. I've seen the dogs on wongamat beach multiply 4 times in 6 months, my oldest son does not want to run on the beach anymore as he is scared of the pack of dogs.

 

I have dogs of my own, but people who encourage strays are just plain nuts.

I know what you mean and have had similar experiences. But the ones I want to help are the friendly ones that have become dependent on food carts etc and readily coexist with humans. 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Card said:

I know what you mean and have had similar experiences. But the ones I want to help are the friendly ones that have become dependent on food carts etc and readily coexist with humans. 

Given the "friendly" dogs don't carry signs saying so, all stray dogs have to be treated as potentially dangerous and infected with rabies.

[sungod]

10 hours ago, Card said:

I know what you mean and have had similar experiences. But the ones I want to help are the friendly ones that have become dependent on food carts etc and readily coexist with humans. 

Well, cut of the goolies and I am with you.

[Card]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given the "friendly" dogs don't carry signs saying so, all stray dogs have to be treated as potentially dangerous and infected with rabies.

Of course, isn't that kinda obvious? There are many mammals hanging around that are potential reservoirs for rabies incl. rats, rabbits, mice, squirrels, even if cats and dogs are the most risky. Everyone should be vaccinated for rabies prevention in Thailand, especially beach lovers. As a beachlover exposed to beach dogs so should you - have you? I've had all my Verorab injections and if seriously exposed to another risk would get immunotherapy and a booster. I don't touch these dogs or feed them by hand.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Card

[scubascuba3]

11 hours ago, Card said:

We all know that culling or better, sterilisation, is the best solution. That is obvious. But you want me to do that or are you volunteering? In the meantime, I prefer to reduce their suffering and help them to stay alive or there will be rotting fetid corpses everywhere with nobody around to take them away. The dogs on Jomtien beach are friendly, used to humans and cause no problems as far as I have found. They don't deserve the consequences of Covid.

You are part of the problem, if you and people like you hadn't fed them in the first place the population wouldn't of got out of control and they wouldn't be starving now. You can help by get a meeting with Pattaya City Hall and ask them to take them away

[Card]

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You are part of the problem, if you and people like you hadn't fed them in the first place the population wouldn't of got out of control and they wouldn't be starving now. You can help by get a meeting with Pattaya City Hall and ask them to take them away

I didn't start the dependency process. As you are the complainer it is your job to make your representations to city hall. Let us all know when you have done it.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Card

[Pilotman]

The food stalls are still operating all around my location, nothing has changed in our area. 

[Card]

1 minute ago, Pilotman said:

The food stalls are still operating all around my location, nothing has changed in our area. 

Good then don't go to the rescue. Some beach areas like Dongtan are denuded of all commercial activity leaving the dogs bereft.

[Pilotman]

Just now, Card said:

Good then don't go to the rescue. Some beach areas like Dongtan are denuded of all commercial activity leaving the dogs bereft.

I do feed soi dogs, despite the backlash I sometimes get from other farangs. I even have a bowl at the top of my drive that I keep topped up for the local mogs. It gets amusing when my own two dogs see others getting fed outside the boundary. 

[Card]

39 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

I do feed soi dogs, despite the backlash I sometimes get from other farangs. I even have a bowl at the top of my drive that I keep topped up for the local mogs. It gets amusing when my own two dogs see others getting fed outside the boundary. 

Good, but keep your distance from rabid farangs. Don't feed 'em.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Card

[donnacha]

1 hour ago, Card said:

There are many mammals hanging around that are potential reservoirs for rabies

I am not as worried about rabid rabbits.

Over the years, I have come to recognize this "soft-heartedness" towards soi dogs as a form of narcissism and selfishness.

Playing Mother Teresa by providing cheap food to dogs is all very well, but the same dog you think is a lovely, friendly fellow could turn into an absolute terror when it comes across a child, or could end up causing a serious accident by chasing cyclists or darting into traffic.

There are already enough dumb and selfish Thais topping up their karma by feeding dogs. The last thing a country with active rabies needs is a load of unhinged farangs serving up even more cheap, nutrition-free carb slop.

By the way, any dog that survives its first week on the streets after abandonment has proved that it has a side that is far from sweet. Over half of them get ripped to shreds by the packs of dogs that already own that territory. To survive, these family pets have to get tough, and damn quick.

The whole situation is a nightmare that anyone who actually cares about animals should be appalled by, and not use it as a way to have pets without the costs or responsibilities.


 

Edited April 11, 2020 by donnacha

[steven100]

let them die, it would be a blessing, they get around in packs of scroungy looking mongrels that bite kids, the elderly & tourists. Thai's only own up to owning one when there's money to be made.

They carry rabbies and god know what else. It would be pleasant if you could walk a soi without fear of being bitten or go jogging knowing no dogs are around. 

[Snow Leopard]

3 minutes ago, donnacha said:

I am not as worried about rabid rabbits.

Over the years, I have come to recognize this "soft-heartedness" towards soi dogs as a form of narcissism and selfishness.

Playing Mother Teresa by providing cheap food to dogs is all very well, but the same dog you think is a lovely, friendly fellow could turn into an absolute terror when it comes across a child, or could end up causing a serious accident by chasing cyclists or darting into traffic.

There are already enough dumb and selfish Thais topping up their karma by feeding dogs. The last thing a country with active rabies needs is a load of unhinged farangs serving up even more cheap, nutrition-free carb slop.

By the way, any dog that survives its first week on the streets after abandonment has proved that it has a side that is far from sweet. Over half of them get ripped to shreds by the packs of dogs that already own that territory. To survive, these family pets have to get tough, and damn quick.

The whole situation is a nightmare that anyone who actually cares about animals should be appalled by, and not use it as a way to have pets without the costs or responsibilities.


 

Good post. 

[Card]

5 minutes ago, donnacha said:

I am not as worried about rabid rabbits.

Over the years, I have come to recognize this "soft-heartedness" towards soi dogs as a form of narcissism and selfishness.

Playing Mother Teresa by providing cheap food to dogs is all very well, but the same dog you think is a lovely, friendly fellow could turn into an absolute terror when it comes across a child, or could end up causing a serious accident by chasing cyclists or darting into traffic.

There are already enough dumb and selfish Thais topping up their karma by feeding dogs. The last thing a country with active rabies needs is a load of unhinged farangs serving up even more cheap, nutrition-free carb slop.

By the way, any dog that survives its first week on the streets after abandonment has proved that it has a side that is far from sweet. Over half of them get ripped to shreds by the packs of dogs that already own that territory. To survive, these family pets have to get tough, and damn quick.

The whole situation is a nightmare that anyone who actually cares about animals should be appalled by, and not use it as a way to have pets without the costs or responsibilities.


 

So what are you going to do about it?

[Pilotman]

15 minutes ago, Card said:

Good, but keep your distance from rabid farangs. Don't feed 'em.

yes, never go near them. they are too dangerous. 

[donnacha]

2 minutes ago, Card said:

So what are you going to do about it?

I'm going to ask you to stop feeding them.

 

[Card]

2 minutes ago, donnacha said:

I'm going to ask you to stop feeding them.

 

Won't work. A starving dog is more dangerous than a fed one. All those dangers you mention are accentuated by starvation. Rotting dead bodies are a source of disease and infection. I don't advocate feeding soi dogs under normal conditions unless it is necessary to prevent starvation.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Card

[johng]

Yesterday I watched  Thai news  about  pets carrying the virus and according to them  cats and ferrets are the 2 highest risks,  amazingly (according to them) ferrets are the 3rd most popular Thai pet !!

They appealed to people not to abandon their pets on the streets but made no mention of the millions already wandering around ☹️

 

Round them up and put them in a pound for a short while..if a new owner wants to take one they can pay for vaccinations,sterilisation and chipping/tags    the rest humanely sent to the next life.

[donnacha]

1 minute ago, Card said:

Won't work. A starving dog is more dangerous than a fed one. All those dangers you mention are accentuated by starvation.

I'm not saying it is simple problem to solve, but you and all the other people feeding them are adding to and accentuating the problem.

I understand that it is entertaining and makes you feel good about yourself, but you have no idea what problems may be caused by the dogs you are "sponsoring". 

There needs to be a cull, and that is not your responsibility, but in the meantime you are literally fueling the problem. Fed dogs can cause plenty of problems.