2020 overall deaths interesting comparison site.

[Thailand]

https://deathmeters.info/

[Denim]

Had a look.

 

Really cheered me up.

[Ventenio]

how many of those are accelerating exponentially, a pandemic, without a vaccine?   oh yea, only one.

 

so, yea, in a few years after we have a vaccine and 20,000 die a year from this, then it's just a number.  

 

but now.....it can go from 2 million to 2 billion.  nothing else can do that.

[cornishcarlos]

5 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

how many of those are accelerating exponentially, a pandemic, without a vaccine?   oh yea, only one.

 

so, yea, in a few years after we have a vaccine and 20,000 die a year from this, then it's just a number.  

 

but now.....it can go from 2 million to 2 billion.  nothing else can do that.

 

Which countries are death rates "exponentially" growing in ??? 

[Matzzon]

14 minutes ago, Thailand said:

https://deathmeters.info/

And what do you want to say with this? What is your point. Are you trying to make the pandemic insignificant? Tell that to the families that lost their loved ones. After that you can take notice of the information in post #3

[Matzzon]

3 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Which countries are death rates "exponentially" growing in ??? 

Nice play! You know exactly what he mean.

[FarFlungFalang]

10 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

And what do you want to say with this? What is your point. Are you trying to make the pandemic insignificant? Tell that to the families that lost their loved ones. After that you can take notice of the information in post #3

No he is not trying to make the virus insignificant I feel the same as there are many other causes of death in this world which are being made insignificant by the importance placed on this virus which seem to require such drastic action where as the other causes of death don't seem worthy of the same attention.The coronavirus is a flu which happens every year yet without proper scientific study this virus suddenly requires the world to take these actions which are not applied to other flu pandemics.Why?

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&t=502s

 

[Assurancetourix]

24 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

And what do you want to say with this? What is your point. Are you trying to make the pandemic insignificant? Tell that to the families that lost their loved ones. After that you can take notice of the information in post #3

He simply sets the record straight.
This pandemic is a minor accident which is not and will never be in the TOP 20 for the most deadly diseases or accidents.

Me, I see an accident which in fact is not one since deliberately provokes by SOMEBODY, the collective suicide of a world economy which will cause it many more deaths than the TOP 20.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Assurancetourix

[cornishcarlos]

48 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Nice play! You know exactly what he mean.

 

No I don't... That's why I asked !!

There was all this talk about deaths doubling every 2 days, every 3 days, whatever...

Hasn't happened.. Yes, there have been lots of deaths but it's not that bad ????

[FarFlungFalang]

How many of those dying of the top 20 dying with sars cov 2 but not of sars cov 2 but are counted as sars cov 2 deaths without proper investigation into the actual cause?How many are dying as a result of the 2 combining is anybody looking into this before we assign the cause of death?How many autopsies have been carried out to establish the cause of death?

[Peterw42]

7 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

No I don't... That's why I asked !!

There was all this talk about deaths doubling every 2 days, every 3 days, whatever...

Hasn't happened.. Yes, there have been lots of deaths but it's not that bad ????

Just in the US, Its was 5,000 deaths on April 1st, 10,000 deaths on April 6th, now 20,000 on April 11th, that is doubling every 5 days.

[FarFlungFalang]

6 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

No I don't... That's why I asked !!

There was all this talk about deaths doubling every 2 days, every 3 days, whatever...

Hasn't happened.. Yes, there have been lots of deaths but it's not that bad ????

There have been reports of it happening in some places for a period of time,usually for a couple of weeks then it stops much like a flu but remember it's not a flu it just looks,smells and tastes like a flu.Also any similarity with the flu is that flues also have lots of deaths but they're not as important.

[FarFlungFalang]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Just in the US, Its was 5,000 deaths on April 1st, 10,000 deaths on April 6th, now 20,000 on April 11th, that is doubling every 5 days.

But for how long and doesn't that also happen with flu pandemics?Are we to start having global shutdowns so we can be seen to be fair to those 400,000 who die each year of the Flu?Have autopsies been performed on these people to confirm the actual cause of death?

Edited April 12, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[Peterw42]

13 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

But for how long and doesn't that also happen with flu pandemics?Are we to start having global shutdowns so we can be seen to be fair to those 400,000 who die each year of the Flu?Have autopsies been performed on these people to confirm the actual cause of death?

Covid has a mortality rate 20-30 times higher than the flu and a transmission rate 2-3 times higher than the flu. The Flu has a vaccine every year. 

You are comparing apples with oranges.

 

Governments all over the world want the figures to be smaller, if they could pin the deaths to the normal flu, they would.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Peterw42

[FarFlungFalang]

16 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Covid has a mortality rate 20-30 times higher than the flu and a transmission rate 2-3 times higher than the flu. The Flu has a vaccine every year. 

You are comparing apples with oranges.

The yearly global fatalities for the flu is about 30,000 per month so according to you there should be 600,000 to 900,000 deaths per month for sars cov 2.Can you show me any graphic or list or organisation that is showing these types of numbers?I suspect you are pulling my leg.In a normal year after 3 1/2 months deaths from flu would be about 105,000 which sounds remarkably similar to this pandemic.

Edited April 12, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[chessman]

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I suspect you are pulling my leg

I suspect you are wilfully misunderstanding, but just in case you’re not then try reading what peterw42 said again and think about the meaning of ‘mortality rate’.

[Peterw42]

7 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The yearly global fatalities for the flu is about 30,000 per month so according to you there should be 600,000 to 900,000 deaths per month for sars cov 2.Can you show me any graphic or list or organisation that is showing these types of numbers?I suspect you are pulling my leg.

600,000-900,000 are not figures I have quoted or according to me. 

 

If 1,000 people get the flu one person will die, if 1,000 people get covid 10-20 will die.

If a person has the flu, on average they pass it to 1 other person. If a person has covid, on average they pass it to 2.5 people.

 

Yes the flu kills every year but it has an endpoint, because its less deadly, less contagious and is controlled with a vaccine.

 

If you cant see the major difference between the two, then I cant help you understand it.

 

 

[FarFlungFalang]

20 minutes ago, chessman said:

I suspect you are wilfully misunderstanding, but just in case you’re not then try reading what peterw42 said again and think about the meaning of ‘mortality rate’.

If you have a mortality of 0.1 % for the flu of 1,000 cases 1 will die if you have a mortality rate of 2-3% for sars cov 2 then 20-30 will die.If 30,000 die from the flu each month 600,000-900,000 will die each month from sars cov 2.So I tried re-reading the post but still fail to come to a different conclusion so as I'm not wilfully misunderstanding please explain where I'm going wrong because I know I'm not that bright and often miss the bleedingly obvious so help me out here if you can.

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

No I don't... That's why I asked !!

There was all this talk about deaths doubling every 2 days, every 3 days, whatever...

Hasn't happened.. Yes, there have been lots of deaths but it's not that bad ????

He didn´t say it was that bad. Don´t always try to twist everything to get a point. In this case you have no point. The post did not say that any country had experienced that yet. It pointed out the possibilities and compared with how many of the mentioned diseases on the dokument could be calculated to have the same dangerous potential.

Try to understand what you read.

[cornishcarlos]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

He didn´t say it was that bad. Don´t always try to twist everything to get a point. In this case you have no point. The post did not say that any country had experienced that yet. It pointed out the possibilities and compared with how many of the mentioned diseases on the dokument could be calculated to have the same dangerous potential.

Try to understand what you read.

 

You are so full of yourself aren't you ????

I believe you will be exponentially joining people's ignore lists .. 

[Don Mega]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Just in the US, Its was 5,000 deaths on April 1st, 10,000 deaths on April 6th, now 20,000 on April 11th, that is doubling every 5 days.

@ 62 deaths per 1 million population the USA has a ways to go to catch up to the likes of Italy/Spain/France/ ETC ETC .

 

[chessman]

6 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If you have a mortality of 0.1 % for the flu of 1,000 cases 1 will die if you have a mortality rate of 2-3% for sars cov 2 then 20-30 will die.If 30,000 die from the flu each month 600,000-900,000 will die each month from sars cov 2.So I tried re-reading the post but still fail to come to a different conclusion so as I'm not wilfully misunderstanding please explain where I'm going wrong because I know I'm not that bright and often miss the bleedingly obvious so help me out here if you can.

This is the start of Covid 19, looking at total deaths at the moment is not very useful because that is not why governments are taking such extreme measures. Instead, think about the potential devastation this virus could cause. If 30,000 die from the flu every month, how many could die from a virus that spread more easily than flu and killed more of the people who got it? 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, Assurancetourix said:

collective suicide of a world economy

Really!? You can´t be serious. Most countries will bounce back after less than a year. The housing crisis was much worse. Signs started already 2003, and nobody took any notice except Warren Buffet. That led to a collapse at the end of 2006 and was also what created the global financial crisis between 2007-2009. Economic collapse? Now, the world recovered fine. Any changes after that? No, people still not learned anything. Another crisis will come. This is just a minor bump in the road, that will soon be forgotten. Nothing will change at the end, until next time something comes up that makes people suffer.

[Assurancetourix]

Just now, Matzzon said:

Really!? You can´t be serious. Most countries will bounce back after less than a year.

and hundreds of millions of unemployed ..
In the US alone the list is dangerously growing;
the same is true in almost all European countries.
You believe that the economy will restart, like that, with a simple wand of the magic wand after a year or maybe more almost total stop.

The crisis you are talking about was a bubble; it has nothing to do .

[baansgr]

More people die in Pattaya jumping off condos than die of Covid...thats a true fact....see how stupid quoting figures can actually look....The seriousness of this virus is apparent, wake up

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

No he is not trying to make the virus insignificant I feel the same as there are many other causes of death in this world which are being made insignificant by the importance placed on this virus which seem to require such drastic action where as the other causes of death don't seem worthy of the same attention.The coronavirus is a flu which happens every year yet without proper scientific study this virus suddenly requires the world to take these actions which are not applied to other flu pandemics.Why?

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&t=502s

 

Supereasy! Because a vaccin is mostly easily to make, that can stop or limit the spread. This time there is none yet, and that makes the world vulnerable, and it´s takes greater measures to curb the spread.

 

Another thing that you probably missed, is that all the diseases mentioned in the document is under continuous research all the time to find the answer on and the mystery with. Maybe that means that you are wrong in saying that the are being made insignificant.

All but one on the document is also not contagious in the same meaning, maybe some can be inherited. However, that is also something that has to be taken into consideration.

 

Most of that tells a clear picture. There is no point with the document, because it can not be compared and it say nothing about the situation we all are in at the moment.

 

And please spare me the value of the Youtube BS. Just another fairly educated man or a half lunatic that tries to make a couple of quick bucks everyday.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Matzzon

[Matzzon]

8 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

and hundreds of millions of unemployed ..
In the US alone the list is dangerously growing;
the same is true in almost all European countries.
You believe that the economy will restart, like that, with a simple wand of the magic wand after a year or maybe more almost total stop.

The crisis you are talking about was a bubble; it has nothing to do .

Yes it has all to do with everything, in the perspective of the damage it caused.

[donnacha]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Just in the US, Its was 5,000 deaths on April 1st, 10,000 deaths on April 6th, now 20,000 on April 11th, that is doubling every 5 days.

Those are not the death figures. Those were the number of new cases. Big difference. Only 1,830 deaths in the US yesterday.
 

 

[chessman]

1 minute ago, Assurancetourix said:

and hundreds of millions of unemployed ..
In the US alone the list is dangerously growing;
the same is true in almost all European countries.
You believe that the economy will restart, like that, with a simple wand of the magic wand after a year or maybe more almost total stop.

The crisis you are talking about was a bubble; it has nothing to do .

The economy does not totally stop, 80% of economic activity is continuing is the statistic I read. 
 

it is an interesting question about the economy restarting... usually recessions are caused by structural problems but nobody has ever paused an economy that was doing fine so nobody really know what will happen. I heard two economic historians talking about it and they said the situation was unique. It’s certainly not lasting a year or more, very likely that by the summer most things will be back to normal.

[Matzzon]

20 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

You are so full of yourself aren't you ????

I believe you will be exponentially joining people's ignore lists .. 

No, I am not. But I can still read, and understand what I am reading.