Cuomo says if Trump ordered New York to reopen, he 'wouldn't do it'

[snoop1130]

Cuomo says if Trump ordered New York to reopen, he 'wouldn't do it'

 

FILE PHOTO: New York governor Andrew Cuomo speaks as the USNS Comfort pulls into a berth in Manhattan during the outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in the Manhattan borough of New York City, New York, U.S., March 30, 2020. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Tuesday he would not abide by any order that U.S. President Donald Trump might give to reopen his state in an unsafe manner during the coronavirus outbreak.

 

“If he ordered me to reopen in a way that would endanger the public health of the people of my state, I wouldn’t do it,” Cuomo said in an interview with CNN.

 

Trump said on Monday he believed he had “total authority” over states in terms of the U.S. coronavirus response, a stance that is not supported by the Constitution and was immediately rejected by legal experts and some governors.

 

Cuomo said any such order would set up a constitutional challenge between the states and the federal government that would go to court.

 

“And the worst possible thing he could do at this moment - to act dictatorial and to act in a partisan, divisive way,” he said, referring to the president’s impending bid for re-election in November. “Keep the politics out of it.”

 

Cuomo said the country’s founders had already settled the matter.

 

“We had this argument. It was done a long time ago. People by the name of Hamilton, and Jefferson and Madison and Washington. And they concluded this. They wrote a document that’s called the Constitution of the United States.”

 

“It says the federal government does not have absolute power,” said Cuomo. “It says the exact opposite of what the president said. It says that would be a king.”

 

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[Crazy Alex]

Good for Cuomo! Now we assume that means he is now taking responsibility for New York being by far the #1 most infected, most deaths state in the union. I am thrilled to see this happen.

 

As a very wise woman once told me, "he who has the power also has the responsibility".

Edited April 14, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[ThreeEyedRaven]

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

As a very wise woman once told me, "he who has the power also has the responsibility".

Excellent quote. One which could well be heeded by one clearly out of his depth and being shown more for the buffoon he is every day.

You can talk yourself up all you like, but when you run into people who know and understand the law, you just look like a fool when you try to pretend you can do things that you can't.

A common sense approach at every local level is obviously sensible. Opening everywhere is just inviting a bigger disaster than the one that occurred the day someone said, "It's just one guy from China."

Might have been the moment it was uttered, but it isn't now is it? Who eventually is responsible for that would you say?

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Tuesday he would not abide by any order that U.S. President Donald Trump might give to reopen his state in an unsafe manner during the coronavirus outbreak.

 

“If he ordered me to reopen in a way that would endanger the public health of the people of my state, I wouldn’t do it,” Cuomo said in an interview with CNN.

Good man.
 

Kudos for that stance. 
 

Shows a much better understanding of the American constitution than the current occupant of the White House. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Crazy Alex]

40 minutes ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Excellent quote. One which could well be heeded by one clearly out of his depth and being shown more for the buffoon he is every day.

You can talk yourself up all you like, but when you run into people who know and understand the law, you just look like a fool when you try to pretend you can do things that you can't.

A common sense approach at every local level is obviously sensible. Opening everywhere is just inviting a bigger disaster than the one that occurred the day someone said, "It's just one guy from China."

Might have been the moment it was uttered, but it isn't now is it? Who eventually is responsible for that would you say?

Huh?

[gargamon]

15 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Huh?

What, too many big words for you? Complete sentences with some thought behind them also.

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

We had this argument. It was done a long time ago. People by the name of Hamilton, and Jefferson and Madison and Washington. And they concluded this. They wrote a document that’s called the Constitution of the United States.”

Doesn't a President have to swear an oath upon taking up office " to preserve , protect and defend the constitution of the U S " .? 

[Inn Between]

I mentioned in another thread that Donny's asinine ideas and actions could actually dissolve the USA, creating a number of independent jurisdictions that no longer have any confidence in the federal system. If more and more state leaders stand up to Trump's near insane handling of many aspects of governing the country, and he is in office for another 4 years, I think we could actually see movement in that direction. I know it sounds too extreme to be taken seriously, but these are extreme times and the many chinks in Donny's armor are definitely showing.  

[riclag]

Agree Governor ! Why would the feds endorse one of the epicenter's, to start the economic surge

Edited April 14, 2020 by riclag

[Crazy Alex]

15 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

Doesn't a President have to swear an oath upon taking up office " to preserve , protect and defend the constitution of the U S " .? 

yes.

[Crazy Alex]

Trump is once again setting up the Democrats for a rope-a-dope. Just watch... they'll huff, puff, tell everyone how they're in charge. Step 2: OK, so you're in charge. So let's take a look at those infection and death rates.

 

And then the fun begins.

[rabas]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“We had this argument. It was done a long time ago. People by the name of Hamilton, and Jefferson and Madison and Washington. And they concluded this. They wrote a document that’s called the Constitution of the United States.”

He must have stepped out of the room during the Civil War when the discussion got heated.

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Good man.
 

Kudos for that stance. 
 

Shows a much better understanding of the American constitution than the current occupant of the White House. 

 

I will assume you continue to have that enthusiasm when states choose their preferences around abortion, religion, education, guns, etc. In the future if a dem ever takes back that Whitehouse we can assume they won't ram federal policy down individual states throats right?

Edited April 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[candide]

It's purely hypothetical. Trump will never take any responsibility. He will come with something like ' I recommend, when it is possible, to reopen etc....'

[Sujo]

20 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I will assume you continue to have that enthusiasm when states choose their preferences around abortion, religion, education, guns, etc. In the future if a dem ever takes back that Whitehouse we can assume they won't ram federal policy down individual states throats right?

And when trump is gone and a sane peeson is again president you will have no argument with the president saying he has complete power over states. Wont you?

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

And when trump is gone and a sane peeson is again president you will have no argument with the president saying he has complete power over states. Wont you?

 

You are recycling my point about people contradicting themselves. Nice attempt though. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[heybruce]

54 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Trump is once again setting up the Democrats for a rope-a-dope. Just watch... they'll huff, puff, tell everyone how they're in charge. Step 2: OK, so you're in charge. So let's take a look at those infection and death rates.

 

And then the fun begins.

Yes, with infection and death rates falling in competently led states such as Washington, California and New York, and still climbing in Republican states such as Florida, Georgia, and much of the mid-section, let's watch the fun begin.

[Bluespunk]

30 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I will assume you continue to have that enthusiasm when states choose their preferences around abortion, religion, education, guns, etc. In the future if a dem ever takes back that Whitehouse we can assume they won't ram federal policy down individual states throats right?

Enthusiastic?
 

For someone making it clear to a narcissist, more concerned with their image than people’s health, that they cannot rule by whim and fancy rather than the constitution?

Yep guess I am. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Bluespunk

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I will assume you continue to have that enthusiasm when states choose their preferences around abortion, religion, education, guns, etc. In the future if a dem ever takes back that Whitehouse we can assume they won't ram federal policy down individual states throats right?

Religion if covered under the First Amendment, limiting states rights to dictate and discriminate in that regard.

 

Do you support states rights to set higher environmental standards and to dictate lower emissions from cars?  Trump doesn't.   https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/trump-about-strip-california-its-right-overrule-emissions-regulations-n1055811

[Cryingdick]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Religion if covered under the First Amendment, limiting states rights to dictate and discriminate in that regard.

 

Do you support states rights to set higher environmental standards and to dictate lower emissions from cars?  Trump doesn't.   https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/trump-about-strip-california-its-right-overrule-emissions-regulations-n1055811

 

If Alabama can ban abortion California can do what they want on emissions as far as I am concerned. Also I have my own views and don't see why I need to reconcile my views with what you think Trump is doing. 

 

I am not Trump's spokesperson. Trump doesn't speak for me either. My point is that usually the dems want to control everything they can at the federal level. Sure there are exceptions to the rules in both parties. 

 

So you are okay with Alabama doing what it wants in this regard so you can keep California the lean, green, paradise it is right?

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

If Alabama can ban abortion California can do what they want on emissions as far as I am concerned. Also I have my own views and don't see why I need to reconcile my views with what you think Trump is doing. 

 

I am not Trump's spokesperson. Trump doesn't speak for me either. My point is that usually the dems want to control everything they can at the federal level. Sure there are exceptions to the rules in both parties. 

 

So you are okay with Alabama doing what it wants in this regard so you can keep California the lean, green, paradise it is right?

Ok, I'll give Alabama abortions if you give California a cleaner environment.

 

This is interesting.  How do you feel about states with strict gun control laws stopping traffic at their borders to prevent the entry of guns from states with lax gun control?

[Puchaiyank]

34 minutes ago, Sujo said:

And when trump is gone and a sane peeson is again president you will have no argument with the president saying he has complete power over states. Wont you?

What is a peeson?  Have I been at home so long I missed a new gender?

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Cuomo said any such order would set up a constitutional challenge between the states and the federal government that would go to court.

Cuomo is being played like a piano here, he's acting exactly how they predicted he would act and in fact how I suspect they want him to act.

 

He's doing Trumps job for him. There's no way Trump will open it up again before it's safe, but now it's coming from Cuomo instead of the president. So predictable.

 

The result is the same = it stays shut but now Cuomo's the bad guy.

 

I wonder if one day they will all unite against the actual enemy, the Chinese.

Edited April 14, 2020 by ukrules

[heybruce]

Keep an eye on Florida, Texas and Georgia.  Although I don't know if their Republican governors are "normal" people.  DeSantis in Florida is a total Trump sycophant, and Kemp in Georgia claimed to not know about asymptomatic transmission of Covid 19 until the end of March.    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-governor-coronavirus-asymptomatic

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Cuomo is being played like a piano here, he's acting exactly how they predicted he would act and in fact how I suspect they want him to act.

 

He's doing Trumps job for him. There's no way Trump will open it up again before it's safe, but now it's coming from Cuomo instead of the president. So predictable.

 

The result is the same = it stays shut but now Cuomo's the bad guy.

 

I wonder if one day they will all unite against the actual enemy, the Chinese.

You are wearing some seriously orange tinted glasses.  Trump is trying to figure out which option is worst for his re-election:  Lot's of Covid 19 deaths or an impaired economy.  Safety of others is not an issue for him.

[ukrules]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You are wearing some seriously orange tinted glasses.  Trump is trying to figure out which option is worst for his re-election:  Lot's of Covid 19 deaths or an impaired economy.  Safety of others is not an issue for him.

You mean Trump 'might' not win NY, he managed without them last time ????

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, ukrules said:

You mean Trump 'might' not win NY, he managed without them last time ????

There are a lot of Trump supporting retirees in Florida nursing homes and retirement communities, and a lot of Covid 19 infections in these places.  Will Trump manage without the electoral votes of the third most populous state?

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.  

 

[gargamon]

Trump has walked it back and given up on trying to order the states to open up. He is now pretending he has the authority and has delegated the authority he doesn't have to the states, obviously in an attempt to save face.

[Cryingdick]

6 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Trump has walked it back and given up on trying to order the states to open up. He is now pretending he has the authority and has delegated the authority he doesn't have to the states, obviously in an attempt to save face.

 

The businesses will eventually decide it. The government isn't in the drivers seat for much longer. We either go to work and risk death from the virus or stay at home and slowly starve. I don't think this will last much longer before the population starts to openly defy the lock downs. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by Cryingdick