Is China Really Responsible For The Virus?

[NoshowJones]

Well is China really to blame for the virus, or is it allegedly? If they are to blame, will other countries keep the Chinese out when things get

as normal as they can? Will the world forgive China for what happened, or be like Thailand and let them all stream in?

[Relocated]

China has nothing to do with it until I bring my Chinese bride. 

Or find me a Thai bride.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Retarded

[bkk6060]

I think in many western countries there will be hate, disdain, and discrimination against Chinese like one has never seen.

 

[Rookiescot]

Yes it is.

[worgeordie]

It will be business as usual,as China is the workshop of the World

producing all the Krap we buy, but don't really need.

regards Worgeordie

Edited April 18, 2020 by worgeordie

[ivor bigun]

YES

[CharlieH]

Of course there will be no "kicking out" barring or any other kind of racist action..I would like to think people dont blame or take action against an entire nation and its people for the action (alledgedly or not,) of its Govt.

 

Who knows, it may have been a simple bio hazard accident, but thats a different topic.

[uli65]

just wait some time, the truth will come out

[Sharp]

 

[Thailand]

The world is probably responsible man made or otherwise.

 

Just about every country has been developing biological agents for warfare in the guise of research for betterment for the people.It may have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, it may have morphed from some animal. It could easily have started in the US or any another country.

 

Maybe the world will learn something from this catastrophe, ideally helping countries to work together in the future instead of against one and other.

 

I doubt it though, man does not seem to have that foresight.

[Guderian]

Not responsible according to China.

 

But it is according to everybody else.

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes it is.

 

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

YES

 

17 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Of course there will be no "kicking out" barring or any other kind of racist action..I would like to think people dont blame or take action against an entire nation and its people for the action (alledgedly or not,) of its Govt.

 

Who knows, it may have been a simple bio hazard accident, but thats a different topic.

Since it appears very likely the the "Spanish" flu originated in Kansas then to be on the safe side we should also boycott the USA, plus the Congo for Ebola, the Middle East for MERS. Now would be a good time to demand reparations from all countries involved in the bubonic plague, or maybe we can charge the rats. The Mexicans will have a big bill to give the Spanish for the c. 10 million plus  they wiped out with European viruses. Likewise the reparations for the genocide of the First Nation Americans. The Mongolians are going to be in a really tough spot when the bill for Ghengis's adventures comes in.

 

Alternatively we could grow up of course, though that is probably too much to ask. Nationalism, racism and xenophobia are making hay in the shrunken minds of our self destructive species.  

[Ventenio]

1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Since it appears very likely the the "Spanish" flu originated in Kansas

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease originating from Kansas 

In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China.

 

I'm NOT saying I'm right and you are wrong...but you are saying you are right and I think there is evidence you might not be 100% correct.  

 

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I think in many western countries there will be hate, disdain, and discrimination against Chinese like one has never seen.

 

I think it would be wrong to discriminate against the ordinary Chinese people, but if China did cause this virus, surely other countries must make sanctions against them in some way. We cannot take chances and allow this to happen again.

Serious damage has been done all over the world.

[Nigel Garvie]

Just now, Ventenio said:

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease originating from Kansas 

In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China.

 

I'm NOT saying I'm right and you are wrong...but you are saying you are right and I think there is evidence you might not be 100% correct.  

 

No, I am saying "It appears very likely". I did not say I was right. Checking google you will find many different theories on this, Kansas is one of the more popular, and earliest ones, but there are indeed many.  Students still choose it as a Phd thesis, of course the evidence trail is now weak. I used it as an example of the foolishness of any rush to judgement. Judge not, that ye be not judged yourself.

[Enoon]

 

China was the "manufacturer".

 

The "wholesaler", who knowingly and carelessly distributed it to the rest of the world, is just as much to blame.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Enoon

[NoshowJones]

46 minutes ago, uli65 said:

just wait some time, the truth will come out

Politicians in any first world country would be able to cover things up, so I would not be too sure if any truth will come out.

[NoshowJones]

33 minutes ago, Thailand said:

The world is probably responsible man made or otherwise.

 

Just about every country has been developing biological agents for warfare in the guise of research for betterment for the people.It may have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, it may have morphed from some animal. It could easily have started in the US or any another country.

 

Maybe the world will learn something from this catastrophe, ideally helping countries to work together in the future instead of against one and other.

 

I doubt it though, man does not seem to have that foresight.

I would agree with your second last paragraph, but IMO, 99% of politicians in the world put money and themselves in front of anything else.

Edited April 18, 2020 by possum1931

[finnsk]

Nobody is responsible for a panepidemic, it seems to be a part of the worlds lifecyclus. Historical there has been a lot of them.

 

China is making research in epidemic, and a lot of other organisations, companies, countries is doing the same. 

 

In Wuhan the chinese have 2 research centers in this area, maybe accidents has happends, sh.t happens, but in this moment nobody knows, it is time to work together in the world, not to make trenches.

 

I do not believe anybody have a wish to make this outbreak of covid.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by finnsk

[rupert the bear]

why did the PRC govt jail and disappear reporters, drs and private citizens who saw the effects of the disease,tried to warn others in the country in order to help them?some have totally disappeared with out a trace.their families have been harrassed and some of those disappeared too.why didnt they stop their citizens from spreading it internally and internationally especially at chinese new year.?they had known for several months at that juncture what was happening.these are important and straightforward questions that need an answer and they can be directed at WHO as well.

[ThailandRyan]

34 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

 

Since it appears very likely the the "Spanish" flu originated in Kansas then to be on the safe side we should also boycott the USA, plus the Congo for Ebola, the Middle East for MERS. Now would be a good time to demand reparations from all countries involved in the bubonic plague, or maybe we can charge the rats. The Mexicans will have a big bill to give the Spanish for the c. 10 million plus  they wiped out with European viruses. Likewise the reparations for the genocide of the First Nation Americans. The Mongolians are going to be in a really tough spot when the bill for Ghengis's adventures comes in.

 

Alternatively we could grow up of course, though that is probably too much to ask. Nationalism, racism and xenophobia are making hay in the shrunken minds of our self destructive species.  

You forgot about the Romans pillaging and plundering as well as Hannibal and his elephant rampage over the Alps....but then maybe the relatives of Christopher Columbus for what he did to the American Indians....but I wouldn't put it past anyone, except the US had started reparations for interring the Japanese....

[poohy]

All countries are messing just such bio chemistry not just the chinese

 

What's needed is a joint venture through all countries sharing info to stop it or find a anecdote as not only will lots people be affected health wise and to prevent a global economic collapse

[lovesthespicy]

China is 100% responsible for not telling the truth about what was going on when it first showed up. They could of saved the rest of the world alot of trouble.  As far as was it natural or did it come from the Wuhan bio lab, that remains to be seen.

 

I do find it hilarious that China has blamed the USA, and even Italy for the virus. 

 

 

 

 

[AussieBob18]

YES - responsible

YES - will be punished

NO - and this was the last straw - all their other crimes and bad deeds will be looked into

Clinton opened up the world to the evils of China

Trump is going to close down USA from the evils of China

[Lacessit]

I distinguish between Chinese people, and the CCP. It's quite evident the CCP endeavored to cover up the initial outbreak, to the point of silencing medical professionals. They again demonstrated contempt for world opinion by re-opening wet markets where the virus is most likely to have originated.

Sanctions and penalties which affect CCP leaders, and cause them to lose face, are the right way to go. Recognising Taiwan as an independent nation would be a good start.

[ravip]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I think in many western countries there will be hate, disdain, and discrimination against Chinese like one has never seen.

 

Many Western countries hate/dislike other non Western countries, already. So this would not be anything new.

[Puchaiyank]

If the Chinese say the virus did not start with them...and the WHO says they are not at fault...it must be so!  

 

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[crobe]

4 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

YES - responsible

YES - will be punished

NO - and this was the last straw - all their other crimes and bad deeds will be looked into

Clinton opened up the world to the evils of China

Trump is going to close down USA from the evils of China

You are a bit wrong on your history

Nixon (republican) opened up to China in 1972

Carter (democrat) accepted the one-china policy

George W Bush (republican) was in office for almost a year when China became a member of WTO in December 2001 - he could have reversed this

[transam]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I think in many western countries there will be hate, disdain, and discrimination against Chinese like one has never seen.

 

Only if they stop Chinese food home deliveries......????

[Matzzon]

We do not know that yet. Maybe they are, maybe not. No evidence. No proof. Impossible to say for sure.