China may be keeping coronavirus data for commercial gain - Trump adviser

[Slip]

3 hours ago, Roadman said:

Great nation...lol...the US has been going down the dunnie for the past few years...

To be clear, I use the word 'great' as in 'important' rather than as in 'good' or 'wonderful' which would definitely be a subjective viewpoint. Having said that, your comment is arguably still accurate, and imo it is exactly the kind of personality politics shown here by Navarro that are accelerating that demise.

[ThaiFelix]

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I hope Navarro know that the largest companies that have the production capacities to ramp up large quantity, cheap and fast are in China. I also hope Trump realized by now that vaccine quality for international procurement are assured by WHO through a series of prequalihication requirements. A stamp of approval by WHO is required to assure that the vaccines are safe, effective and of high quality and thus recommended for bulk purchase. So much to say about those uncontrollable free wheeling loud mouths in the WH. 

Trump wouldnt have a clue, he still thinks we need "smarter" antibiotics to wipe out the virus or thinks we only need to just surround the airports lol!

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Trump wouldnt have a clue, he still thinks we need "smarter" antibiotics to wipe out the virus or thinks we only need to just surround the airports lol!

Oh why are people so unkind ??????

[simple1]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

"One of the reasons that they may not have let us in and given us the data on this virus early, is they're racing to get a vaccine and they think this is just a competitive business race, it's a business proposition so that they can sell the vaccines to the world," Navarro told Fox Business Network.

Seems a rather odd claim as the Chinese...

 

"published the initial viral genome on two open-access sites, drawing praise for the swiftest sequencing effort ever. Later that month, Chinese doctors and scientists reported the first description of the new disease in the Lancet medical journal"

 

https://sciencebusiness.net/international-news/china-was-slammed-initial-covid-19-secrecy-its-scientists-led-way-tackling-virus

 

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/race-covid-19-vaccine

 

Is Navarro claiming the Chinese have ceased sharing Covid-19 research info? Doesn't make sense as there are a large number of Covid-19 vaccine research projects underway worldwide and yet to read any have been deliberately hindered by PRC. The OP comes across as yet another trump administration blame game - happy to be proven incorrect by way of credible link/s. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by simple1

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Trump wouldnt have a clue, he still thinks we need "smarter" antibiotics to wipe out the virus or thinks we only need to just surround the airports lol!

Really a bad time to have a President who react purely on his own impulse. The withdrawing of WHO fundings have an impact on the development of vaccines. WHO has been active in the field of biological standardization, bringing together scientists and policy makers on a global scale to find consensus approaches to the development, testing and regulatory oversight of vaccines. They also developed international standardization to ensure quality and equivalence across manufacturers. If US is not a member, they have much more to lose. 

[Tippaporn]

7 hours ago, CaptRon2 said:

 

  

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody thinks we’ve all forgotten Trump’s sneaky attempt to buy a German pharmaceutical company working on a vaccine.

 

That aside, is the US now arguing intellectual property rights don’t exist?

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-germany-curevac/

The above link is a statement from the company’s CEO saying it never happened, perhaps you missed the follow up to the original unconfirmed accusations.

 

The libs here give a rat's a$$ about truth.  They spew lies and false info and not only refuse to retract when caught but they double down and keep repeating their lies anyway.  They simply don't care.

 

Here's another lib fake news rag, Huffington Post, with a similar article but this time it claims Trump is motivated by an investment he has through a mutual fund with the French company Sanofi which produces hydroxychloroquine.  A number of fake news MSM outlets tried to make something out of nothing until it was learned that Trump's investment amounted to a mere $1,000 or so.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-stake-company-hydroxychloroquine_n_5e8c41d7c5b6e1d10a696280

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The libs here give a rat's a$$ about truth.  They spew lies and false info and not only refuse to retract when caught but they double down and keep repeating their lies anyway.  They simply don't care.

Projecting? ????

 

BTW the article you linked does not support your claim, as often. It is very balanced and clearly indicates, for example, that the stake in question is quite small.

[Tippaporn]

25 minutes ago, candide said:

Projecting? ????

 

BTW the article you linked does not support your claim, as often. It is very balanced and clearly indicates, for example, that the stake in question is quite small.

Then if the investment is minuscule why does the MSM even need to mention it?  As stated in the article, "Trump’s “assertiveness” in promoting the drug contrary to the recommendation of top health experts “has raised questions about his motives,” the Times noted."  Besides, the amount of Trump's investment was found to be negligible after the initial reporting . . . which then killed the story.

 

The article does support my claim.  How does it not?

 

Very balanced?  Who are you trying to kid.  Candide, it is not in the least bit balanced.  There are, by my count, no less than nine instances denigrating Trump and/or false insinuations and not a single instance of a positive statement regarding Trump.  Where's the balance, candide?  Please, give me your analysis of the entire article and show where the balance is.

 

Projecting?  Just a typical leftist false accusation.

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Tippaporn

[candide]

30 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Then if the investment is minuscule why does the MSM even need to mention it?  As stated in the article, "Trump’s “assertiveness” in promoting the drug contrary to the recommendation of top health experts “has raised questions about his motives,” the Times noted."  Besides, the amount of Trump's investment was found to be negligible after the initial reporting . . . which then killed the story.

 

The article does support my claim.  How does it not?

 

Very balanced?  Who are you trying to kid.  Candide, it is not in the least bit balanced.  There are, by my count, no less than nine instances denigrating Trump and/or false insinuations and not a single instance of a positive statement regarding Trump.  Where's the balance, candide?  Please, give me your analysis of the entire article and show where the balance is.

 

Projecting?  Just a typical leftist false accusation.

 

I guess for you only articles lauding Trump are balanced. On this particular point, his stake in Sanofi, the article is quite balanced and presents the information available: what motivated a suspicion, is there a stake and what is it exactly, and what are the arguments against this suspicion.

The other parts of the article discuss the current debate about coronavirus.

 

Yes, projecting much.

Edited April 21, 2020 by candide

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

I guess for you only articles lauding Trump are balanced. On this particular point, his stake in Sanofi, the article is quite balanced and presents the information available: what motivated a suspicion, is there a stake and what is it exactly, and what are the arguments against this suspicion.

The other parts of the article discuss the current debate about coronavirus.

 

Yes, projecting much.

LOL.  Spin it anyway you like, candide.  I ain't fooled.

[stevenl]

57 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Then if the investment is minuscule why does the MSM even need to mention it?  As stated in the article, "Trump’s “assertiveness” in promoting the drug contrary to the recommendation of top health experts “has raised questions about his motives,” the Times noted."  Besides, the amount of Trump's investment was found to be negligible after the initial reporting . . . which then killed the story.

 

The article does support my claim.  How does it not?

 

Very balanced?  Who are you trying to kid.  Candide, it is not in the least bit balanced.  There are, by my count, no less than nine instances denigrating Trump and/or false insinuations and not a single instance of a positive statement regarding Trump.  Where's the balance, candide?  Please, give me your analysis of the entire article and show where the balance is.

 

Projecting?  Just a typical leftist false accusation.

 

Very balanced article.

[rabas]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Seems a rather odd claim as the Chinese...

 

"published the initial viral genome on two open-access sites, drawing praise for the swiftest sequencing effort ever. Later that month, Chinese doctors and scientists reported the first description of the new disease in the Lancet medical journal"

 

https://sciencebusiness.net/international-news/china-was-slammed-initial-covid-19-secrecy-its-scientists-led-way-tackling-virus

 

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/race-covid-19-vaccine

 

Is Navarro claiming the Chinese have ceased sharing Covid-19 research info? Doesn't make sense as there are a large number of Covid-19 vaccine research projects underway worldwide and yet to read any have been deliberately hindered by PRC. The OP comes across as yet another trump administration blame game - happy to be proven incorrect by way of credible link/s. 

Not really. 

 

Thailand had already sequenced it's first patient's genome before China released their genome on January 12. Thailand acknowledged the Chinese genome matched theirs. China's patient 0 from December 1 was identified by an early Chinese publication, so what took China so long? It takes about 3 days to sequence a genome. No big deal.

[Forethat]

An even more bizarre fact is that a large number of China's liveliest startup biotech companies are partially funded by...american companies.

[Isaan sailor]

Never knew we had so many China/CCP lovers here on TV.

[rabas]

27 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Make china great again. If trump wants to be so isolationist he cant go blaming others when they also want to be.

Agree. Nothing wrong with the Chinese people.

 

Make Chinese Free Again. MCFA!

[elliss]

5 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

         I'm sure China were working on a vaccine, before they released it.

 

      I'm sure this Virus will be patented .

       Available too the highest bidder ?...

[Upstate]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Never knew we had so many China/CCP lovers here on TV.

Not really,if President Trump had praised the chinese/ccp the rabid leftist mob would be condemning him.

 

[candide]

7 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Never knew we had so many China/CCP lovers here on TV.

 

3 hours ago, Upstate said:

Not really,if President Trump had praised the chinese/ccp the rabid leftist mob would be condemning him.

 

????

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736

Because Trump did make the transparency comment about China in regards to the coronavirus pandemic, we rate this claim “True.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-china-transparency/

[simple1]

7 hours ago, rabas said:

Thailand had already sequenced it's first patient's genome before China released their genome on January 12.

Can't find that article, can you provide a link?

 

It is counter-intuitive that the US is struggling with developing a Covid-19 vaccine, as alleged by Navarro, due to lack of co-operation by PRC when a number on nations are well on their way with testings of a Covid-19 vaccine e.g. Australia and the UK.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts, troll post and the replies have been removed. 

[rabas]

36 minutes ago, simple1 said:

8 hours ago, rabas said:

Thailand had already sequenced it's first patient's genome before China released their genome on January 12.

Can't find that article, can you provide a link?

 

It is counter-intuitive that the US is struggling with developing a Covid-19 vaccine, as alleged by Navarro, due to lack of co-operation by PRC when a number on nations are well on their way with testings of a Covid-19 vaccine e.g. Australia and the UK.

Sorry, I was responding to the first part of you post and links praising China's super fast work.  I pointed out that even Thailand had already sequenced the gene. Anyone can sequence a gene. For the price of a handphone you can sequence your own 6 billion letter long genome. This virus is 30,500 letters long. (I can PM you a copy)

 

The truth is China did not release the gene code until holding it was useless. Until someone else already had it. Surely they had the code much earlier.

 

I don't know about the Navarro issue and vaccines. A vaccine is 1.5 years of work and would require more information than just the genome code.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Can't find that article, can you provide a link?

WHO has it. 

 

https://www.who.int/csr/don/14-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-thailand-ex-china/en/

 

The genomic sequencing analysis performed by Emerging Infectious Diseases Health Science Center, the Thai Red Cross Society (EID-TRC) and the Thai National Institute of Health (Thai NIH), Department of Medical Sciences confirmed that the patient was infected with the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) which was isolated in Wuhan,

 

NOTE: Before nCoV-2019 specific tests were available, Thailand identified all their cases with full gnome sequencing. That's why it was taking 3 days for results. Thais are actually good at this stuff.

Edited April 21, 2020 by rabas

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

Sorry, I was responding to the first part of you post and links praising China's super fast work.  I pointed out that even Thailand had already sequenced the gene. Anyone can sequence a gene. For the price of a handphone you can sequence your own 6 billion letter long genome. This virus is 30,500 letters long. (I can PM you a copy)

 

The truth is China did not release the gene code until holding it was useless. Until someone else already had it. Surely they had the code much earlier.

 

I don't know about the Navarro issue and vaccines. A vaccine is 1.5 years of work and would require more information than just the genome code.

PRC published the genome info for worldwide researcher access  Jan 5, prior to that date who else had developed the info?

 

re your last paragraph, as already stated at a minimum UK & Australia are progressing to testing Covid 19 vaccine. Oxford Uni researchers have claimed they are aiming for their partners to commence production 09 20 so long as all OK. Commencing human trails this Thursday. Navarro is not making any logical sense.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oxford-university-coronavirus-vaccine-to-begin-human-trials-on-thursday-as-uk-throws-everything-at-vital-breakthrough-2020-04-21 

 

 

[mikebike]

10 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Never knew we had so many China/CCP lovers here on TV.

Yep, the China-lovers seem to be behind every tree these days, even in the white house...

 

Jan. 22:

“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

Edited April 22, 2020 by mikebike

[rabas]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

PRC published the genome info for worldwide researcher access  Jan 5, prior to that date who else had developed the info?

?

 

The Shanghai laboratory where researchers published the world’s first genome sequence of the deadly coronavirus that causes Covid-19 has been shut down. <===

 

The laboratory at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre was ordered to close for “rectification” on January 12, a day after Professor Zhang Yongzhen’s team published the genome sequence on open platforms.

 

(This agrees with the Jan 11 date I have seen reported everywhere.)

 

“The closure has greatly affected the scientists and their research when they should be racing against the clock to find the means to help put the novel coronavirus outbreak under control,” the source said.

 

Looks like the CCP was not too happy.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

[rabas]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

PRC published the genome info for worldwide researcher access  Jan 5, prior to that date who else had developed the info?

Maybe this is what you mean:

 

January 5: Professor Zhang Yongzhen of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center provided the genomic sequence of the virus to Chinese authorities.

 

January 5: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission stopped releasing daily updates on new cases of the disease.

 

January 11: The Shanghai laboratory of Professor Zhang Yongzhen, who had provided the genomic sequence of the virus, was shut down for “rectification” by the Shanghai Health Commission, after Zhang had posted his data online to put them at the disposal of the international scientific community. (BAD!)

 

January 12: The National Health Commission shared the virus genomic information with the WHO for the first time. (Thailand already had the genome at this point)

 

Just more China cover up.

https://bitterwinter.org/coronavirus-a-chronology/

[simple1]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Maybe this is what you mean:

 

January 5: Professor Zhang Yongzhen of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center provided the genomic sequence of the virus to Chinese authorities.

 

January 5: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission stopped releasing daily updates on new cases of the disease.

 

January 11: The Shanghai laboratory of Professor Zhang Yongzhen, who had provided the genomic sequence of the virus, was shut down for “rectification” by the Shanghai Health Commission, after Zhang had posted his data online to put them at the disposal of the international scientific community. (BAD!)

 

January 12: The National Health Commission shared the virus genomic information with the WHO for the first time. (Thailand already had the genome at this point)

 

Just more China cover up.

https://bitterwinter.org/coronavirus-a-chronology/

neither of your replies answer my question

[rabas]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

neither of your replies answer my question

Probably because I was refuting your false claim:

 

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

PRC published the genome info for worldwide researcher access  Jan 5

One cannot answer a question based on a false premise.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by rabas

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

Probably because I was refuting your false claim:

 

One cannot answer a question based on a false premise.

 

Zhang’s team isolated and finished the genome sequence of the then-unknown virus on January 5, Apologies - published to worldwide audience 11 Jan.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

 

Still doesn't detract from the OP regards Navarro statements which run counter to what's happening with the development of a Covid 19 vaccine. Will be marvellous when development completed, but from reports I have read sufficient production for worldwide inoculation programs unlikely until 12/20. One wishes WHO is sufficiently funded to carry out their excellent work with w/w inoculation programs.

 

 

[Pedrogaz]

Oh I don't know....one week so American is lying to us and telling us the Chinese can't invent anything at all let alone 5G, and the next week another lying trade negotiator is telling us they are inventing vaccines (and viruses) and not giving the data with the rightful inventors ie US big Pharma companies.

By the way, the Chinese published a very, very important paper yesterday showing extensive mutations in sarsCovid-2 virus which bodes ill for a vaccine.