Popular Post ravip Posted April 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said: Where Torture is legal apparently Like waterboarding, for example? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 The gov can’t sue themselves... picking up funeral costs and 10k baht compensation... what’s the problem? This is how the system works here..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tchooptip Posted April 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2020 Such indecency should make the front page of all the newspapers in the world, the country kills your child, on top of it not by accident it's a murder and then compensates you with $ 300 ... words fail me!???? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cake Monster said: Where Torture is legal apparently A wee bit of Googling might reveal more... Just ask some Iranians or Libyans. Edit Please do a search for 'collateral murder' and view that video. Edited April 22, 2020 by ravip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19DL86 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Yes seen this on the News a day or so back, appalling and disgraceful. But sadly not surprising or unusual in this brutal, violent and ruthless country where even the custodians and guardians of law and order are savages. A country where religion is at the very core and the apparatus of the State, active in suppression of justice by forgiveness. As demonstrated here, the elderly parents indoctrinated by decades of brainwashing in possibly the very Temple were their son was executed. Disgrace on you Thailand !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Cake Monster said: Where Torture is legal apparently Same as many countries... including America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 16 hours ago, snoop1130 said: No suspects have been detained by police. What is left to say, solders tortured in training, ie taught torture ! coming to the funeral is not respect at all IMO where are you now o chief or the military in hiding. going to promise a full investigation by yourself. Despicable !!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, jak2002003 said: Same as many countries... including America. However, torture is never conducted on American Soil to extract information, it is done in Black Sites in another country.....if it is done on US soil, then there is true criminal charges against those that perpetuated the violence as it is a civil rights violation in the US. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, ravip said: Like waterboarding, for example? No, just kicking the daylights out of someone until they're dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjeff Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 17 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Why have not been charged by police? Surely they had no legal right to even pick them up in the first place? The military has always maintained that their members fall only under the military justice system, and are not subject to police jurisdiction. In some past cases where the police tried to detain active duty military members for crimes, the military has gone into the station and forcibly removed the suspect from police custody. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 17 hours ago, Thaiwrath said: Should have told the army to stick it up their <deleted> ! If it were my son I certainly would, and not in a polite fashion either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 13 hours ago, Ron jeremy said: Exactly! How many life's was he responsible for ending with his drugs? duarte has the right idea, so do the Thais. Was he a drug dealer? I have no idea and neither do you unless you knew him personally. If he was, then he should have been arrested by the local police or drug squad and NOT abducted by a gang of army hoodlums, tortured then beaten to death. The "Sacred" army, my left foot. The problem starts at the top and the rot spreads downwards contaminating so many people on the way. IMHO the army shoud throw these, (I hesitate to say soldiers because they are not) rabble to the police to jailed with no bail, then sent to trial, and if they are found guilty, given the death sentence, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, billd766 said: Was he a drug dealer? I have no idea and neither do you unless you knew him personally. If he was, then he should have been arrested by the local police or drug squad and NOT abducted by a gang of army hoodlums, tortured then beaten to death. The "Sacred" army, my left foot. The problem starts at the top and the rot spreads downwards contaminating so many people on the way. IMHO the army shoud throw these, (I hesitate to say soldiers because they are not) rabble to the police to jailed with no bail, then sent to trial, and if they are found guilty, given the death sentence, Perhaps they wanted to find out if there was a hidden stash of goodies for trading? Not sure I support the death penalty, the parents and the surviving son have to live with the trauma forever, so the perpetrators perhaps should do so as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rech Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 when you see what they can do to their own people, you can imagine what they could do to us ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, ravip said: Sad, as these things happen ONLY in Thailand... Yes,never anywhere else,where they are generally covered up or the whole family dissapears. like your sarcasm on this.Some posters here would do well to remember whilst not perfect,at least there is an investigation,i am sure if wrong doing is found a larger sum will come to the family,there are many worse regimes than Thailand. Edited April 22, 2020 by marko kok prong extra words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said: However, torture is never conducted on American Soil to extract information, it is done in Black Sites in another country.....if it is done on US soil, then there is true criminal charges against those that perpetuated the violence as it is a civil rights violation in the US. Good call,people have been in Gitmo for 20 years without charges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 hours ago, cardinalblue said: The gov can’t sue themselves... picking up funeral costs and 10k baht compensation... what’s the problem? This is how the system works here..... What’s the problem? This is how the system works here, there and every where! Just smile and ignore... until it arrives at your door step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkside Gray Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Why are the army interogating anyone surely they should be handed over to the police! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 16 hours ago, Ron jeremy said: Exactly! How many life's was he responsible for ending with his drugs? duarte has the right idea, so do the Thais. If Duarte can clean the Philipines from crime and drugs it will be beat thailand hands down...i would love to go there if it was safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: However, torture is never conducted on American Soil to extract information, it is done in Black Sites in another country.....if it is done on US soil, then there is true criminal charges against those that perpetuated the violence as it is a civil rights violation in the US. That's convenient...…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted April 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, fruitman said: If Duarte can clean the Philipines from crime and drugs it will be beat thailand hands down...i would love to go there if it was safe. No regard for human rights suits you? First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) Edited April 22, 2020 by RJRS1301 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anant72 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Shameful! So much for honor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben2talk Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, rhyddid said: Human life, street value at today date, 10,000THB + funeral cost. Actually much less - this is an isolated case, most cases never come to light. We all know it's a military's regime - and after playing with parliamentary politics and rigging elections, the virus has helped a re-institution of total dictatorship... funding is increasingly off-limits to public disclosure or scrutiny, allowing someting like 18 billion off-budget spending in 2020. I was also interested to hear recently about the practice of military salaries of conscripts who get let off duties after their inital training by channeling their salaries to their commanding officers... Mammoth corruption and no need to come up with proper apologies for anything they do. Be grateful for 10,000 because they didn't need to give anything at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said: No regard for human rights suits you? First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) Well not much no, if i see what harddrugs can do to a country and really make it a huge slump (like the phillies) than i can only agree that nothing is too harsh to clean up the place. The philipines are great islands, nice people but it's only those drugs/criminals/guns that ruin it for all. All those whiners about Duterte should go there for a holiday themselves and get robbed/kidnapped...Even a macdonalds has 2 guards at the door with huge machineguns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19DL86 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, marko kok prong said: Yes,never anywhere else,where they are generally covered up or the whole family dissapears. like your sarcasm on this.Some posters here would do well to remember whilst not perfect,at least there is an investigation,i am sure if wrong doing is found a larger sum will come to the family,there are many worse regimes than Thailand. "There are many worse regimes than Thailand" - is that really where we should be placing the benchmark? To be better than the worst!! Or as good as the rest? That is surely the way for any developed society to be headed. Oh how much larger sum would you feel is adequate, if this were your son, brother or father? Edited April 22, 2020 by 19DL86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted April 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Perhaps they wanted to find out if there was a hidden stash of goodies for trading? Not sure I support the death penalty, the parents and the surviving son have to live with the trauma forever, so the perpetrators perhaps should do so as well. What else can you do with a group of out of control soldiers, SNCOs and officers who don't care about rules, regulations, legality etc. If you put them in jail they will be released some day and if it is a military jail they will be treated reasonably. If they were to be executed, true it would not bring the young man back, but it would serve as an object lesson, and may perhaps deter others from doing the same thing. IMHO the Thai military are a disgrace from top to bottom and really ought to be disbanded. Edited April 22, 2020 by billd766 edited for bad spelling after I had posted, again. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19DL86 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 58 minutes ago, billd766 said: What else can you do with a group of out of control soldiers, SNCOs and officers who don't care about rules, regulations, legality etc. If you put them in jail they will be released some day and if it is a military jail they will be treated reasonably. If they were to be executed, true it would not bring the young man back, but it would serve as an object lesson, and may perhaps deter others from doing the same thing. IMHO the Thai military are a disgrace from top to bottom and really ought to be disbanded. Excellent summing up of the awful circumstances. This country is poisoned from the TOP down, little wonder the poor uneducated and destitute need drugs. Just to escape the tortuous Hamsters Wheel of their existence. My God a revolution is needed here......like Yesterday!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Perhaps they wanted to find out if there was a hidden stash of goodies for trading? Not sure I support the death penalty, the parents and the surviving son have to live with the trauma forever, so the perpetrators perhaps should do so as well. The perpetrators have probably forgotten about it already, it was a few weeks ago ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzziwas Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 The army dont only kill suspects they also kill their own when they find a weak soldier.. Life is so cheap in Thailand.. The learning starts off at the top . What happened to the activist.. no one ever comes to justice.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 They could stick those THB in coins where the sun doesn't shine. Eye for an eye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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