RIP Pattaya

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, pattayamick said:

I have lived in Pattaya since late 1970’ies. I have lost count of all the times Pattaya has been declared dead. Pattaya always bounces back.

Exactly. Until the girls from Isaan have better options they will continue coming to Pattaya

[Assurancetourix]

8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Exactly. Until the girls from Isaan have better options they will continue coming to Pattaya

To do what?
Count flies?

In Le Figaro today, it is a French newspaper with a large circulation;
an article you would expect:

"Why a layoff tsunami is inevitable;
The purge that is preparing will be of unprecedented violence.

The layoffs will be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. "

And we are only talking about France, a country which has a system of protection for workers and the unemployed that Thailand does not have.

We can also expect a stunami of layoffs also in Thailand and maybe a civil war because tens of millions of Thais not only have no money to live but most are in debt and even over-indebtedness .

[Silent Tiger]

4 hours ago, newnative said:

      I stand amazed that you can remember being over-charged for Pattaya taxi rides in 2004.  And, even more amazed that it apparently is still eating at you 16 years later.  How in the world do you handle something even more serious and distressing--like a stubbed toe?  

Of course you remember & thought robbing bstrds !!! & NOT eating at me stating a fact i have a few non pat friends who live out there and also stated same as me a couple posted on this thread !!! If you walk about forgetting everytime you get mugged of you must have a poor bank account ????

[spoon1967]

A lot of posts claiming Pattaya won't be the same and that tourists have been ripped off for years? 

Great hotels for around 1000 B or less (DHotel and example), food is very cheap if you shop at the right places, 10 baht for a ride on the 'baht bus', beers still around  45 baht all along new Plaza, Soi Bukhoew, etc, female company still 2000 baht LT, full body massage 300 baht, taxi to BKK 1000 baht, clothes, shoes all cheap, pharmacies not expensive, 7/11 etc all cheap, obviously the exchange not as good as it was 10 years ago, but you can still have great cheap holiday compared with getting the same services in Europe etc. 

 

If you're getting ripped off, you're allowing it.

 

Pattaya will be back to normal.

Edited April 23, 2020 by spoon1967

[SteveB2]

Pattaya - thoughts come to mind....

 

It's like stumbling across a recently deceased torture victim killed by asphyxia.  A 'Plastic bag over the head' job. 

Pattaya has had its essential breathing air 'Tourism' taken away from it and has quickly died.

 

A quick check for vital signs reveal No heartbeat, no breathing. Pupils fixed and dilated.

However, the death has just occurred - there is a short window of opportunity of around 2-5 minutes where life can be restarted in a human being without permanent brain damage. A good first aider trained in AED use and BLS will stand a good chance of bringing the previously healthy patient back to life. 

 

The same goes for Pattaya - the death just occurred. There's a short window of opportunity of around 2-6 months where business life can be restarted without permanent damage to the existing economy and mass closures in the tourism service industry. ????

 

 

[JusticeGB]

Even before covid19 Pattaya was dying. I doubt if even 50% of the bars will be able to reopen. 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, pattayamick said:

I have lived in Pattaya since late 1970’ies. I have lost count of all the times Pattaya has been declared dead. Pattaya always bounces back.

Yes, Pattaya has always bounced back, but I think it will take a long time for this bounce back to come, and the bounce will not be so high.

[adammike]

9 minutes ago, SteveB2 said:

Pattaya - thoughts come to mind....

 

It's like stumbling across a recently deceased torture victim killed by asphyxia.  A 'Plastic bag over the head' job. 

Pattaya has had its essential breathing air 'Tourism' taken away from it and has quickly died.

 

A quick check for vital signs reveal No heartbeat, no breathing. Pupils fixed and dilated.

However, the death has just occurred - there is a short window of opportunity of around 2-5 minutes where life can be restarted in a human being without permanent brain damage. A good first aider trained in AED use and BLS will stand a good chance of bringing the previously healthy patient back to life. 

 

The same goes for Pattaya - the death just occurred. There's a short window of opportunity of around 2-6 months where business life can be restarted without permanent damage to the existing economy and mass closures in the tourism service industry. ????

 

 

A read through the news today,the British health chief saying that social distance will likely be in force all of 2020.The Aussie one saying roughly the same and forget foreign travel.A Chinese spokesperson saying that because of the reality that a second wave is happening no travel till October and possibly not before next year's Chinese New year.Japan is likely to go into lockdown soon.Here in the Netherlands every event is cancelled till I September.

Russia in trouble maybe.We are going nowhere. 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Assurancetourix said:

To do what?
Count flies?

In Le Figaro today, it is a French newspaper with a large circulation;
an article you would expect:

"Why a layoff tsunami is inevitable;
The purge that is preparing will be of unprecedented violence.

The layoffs will be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. "

And we are only talking about France, a country which has a system of protection for workers and the unemployed that Thailand does not have.

We can also expect a stunami of layoffs also in Thailand and maybe a civil war because tens of millions of Thais not only have no money to live but most are in debt and even over-indebtedness .

Millions of unemployed in most countries, slowly people are waking up to it

[Leaver]

24 minutes ago, SteveB2 said:

There's a short window of opportunity of around 2-6 months where business life can be restarted without permanent damage to the existing economy and mass closures in the tourism service industry. 

That will take tourists.  Where are they going to be coming from, and when?  

 

2 - 6 months is still low season, also, many will not have the available cash to holiday here next high season, planes will need to be flying with reasonable ticket prices, and Thailand will need the tourists to be able come here, and return home, without 2 weeks quarantine. 

 

2 - 6 months is optimistic. 

 

The best Pattaya can hope for is to be reincarnated. ????

[scubascuba3]

17 minutes ago, JusticeGB said:

Even before covid19 Pattaya was dying. I doubt if even 50% of the bars will be able to reopen. 

Good, they were turd anyway, anyone disagree?

[Nanaplaza666]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:42 PM, Don Mega said:

Fingers crossed !!

Don't cross them , you might need them .

[Nanaplaza666]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:34 PM, Don Mega said:

Pattaya is fantastic now... No smelly tourists from the UK/Russia/Europe/ETC ETC  and no hordes of chines in tourist busses.

 

hopefully it moves forward and never returns to  time gone by.

And where are you from ????????

[Pattaya46]

18 minutes ago, JusticeGB said:

Even before covid19 Pattaya was dying.

I doubt if even 50% of the bars will be able to reopen. 

Pattaya was certainly not dying !

Yes many of the too many beer bars will die from Covid impact,

but in my opinion it's a rather good thing for Pattaya ????

We are no more in the 80s-90s,

Pattaya doesn't need beer bars anymore, or just a few one for tourists.

[Scotssing]

People's memories of what Pattaya was may be dying but look at all the condos being built, hotels and shopping centres opened, streets thoroughly congested  and sprawl going way back to the hills on the dark side. What has been keeping Pattaya going in the last 10 or 20 years is not necessarily sleazeball westerners looking for a good time. Yet despite predictions there are a lot of Westerners still lurking here living comfortable lives often with their girlfriends away from the hubble bubble in the city centre. It is amazing how many one still sees in the midst of lockdown

 

So how much of this will be gone in the future? Like any place that relies on tourism it will take a while but there are the more permanent residents, weekenders from Bangkok and local tourism which will start the ball rolling before the hoards from other Asian countries arrive. A big blip in development but I would not equate Pattaya to a mining ghost town quite yet

[Don Mega]

2 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

And where are you from ????????

Darkside.

[Nanaplaza666]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:52 PM, timendres said:

If the best of the lot migrate to Nana and Cowboy in BKK, I wouldn't complain.

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[Nanaplaza666]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:52 PM, timendres said:

If the best of the lot migrate to Nana and Cowboy in BKK, I wouldn't complain.

Not that we have something to complain here in bkk but would be nice to have a whole new lot to choose from . Safes me a few trips a year to patts and when friends come over maybe they'll stay in bkk a bit longer ????????????

Edited April 23, 2020 by Nanaplaza666
Wasnt done yet

[Jiggo]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:41 PM, Pilotman said:

OP, the 80s and 90s may have been good for visiting western sex tourists, old farang slobs and worn out clapped out divorced bitter men,  but not for the Thai people, who had to service them for a pittence, or the bar girls working for a few Baht and no protection against the mafia that ran the place and exploited them.  I don't like the place now, but I don't look back on those times with rose tinted glasses.

Dont forget bar girls getting money sent too them from the four courners of the planet, house's built up in Issan for them by duped, love struck punters and of course go go girls earning up to 100000 baht a month lol, still it was a lot of fun if you used pay as you go.

[Mac98]

A lot will depend on city hall. Do they want to ease up and let it be known Pattaya is open for fun, or will they take the opportunity to put a lid on nightlife and let it be known Pattaya is open for shopping, thereby attracting hordes of old foreign women looking for God knows what?

[XB12X]

Of course Pattaya isn't finished. Daft thread.

[anto]

I agree that Pattaya is now a new cleaned up City ,because of this Wuhan Chinese virus .One can now walk down Soi 6 ,without that rotten fishy smell .Less cats calls all round to the sound  of >come inside you handsome devil < .

[Mac98]

2 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

Dont forget bar girls getting money sent too them from the four courners of the planet, house's built up in Issan for them by duped, love struck punters and of course go go girls earning up to 100000 baht a month lol, still it was a lot of fun if you used pay as you go.

No, it's 'pay as you come'.

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, Mac98 said:

A lot will depend on city hall. Do they want to ease up and let it be known Pattaya is open for fun, or will they take the opportunity to put a lid on nightlife and let it be known Pattaya is open for shopping, thereby attracting hordes of old foreign women looking for God knows what?

If they decide to make it a shopping place which will never work as the shops are always empty anyway, they will need to continue to pay 5k a month to 1000s of people every month for ever. Without Pattaya as it was they have a serious problem

[kinyara]

As an expat living here a temporary lull in proceedings whether it be 6 months, a year or a couple of years is welcomed. Pattaya has developed too much. 

[Bangkok Barry]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:34 PM, Don Mega said:

Pattaya is fantastic now... No smelly tourists from the UK/Russia/Europe/ETC ETC  and no hordes of chines in tourist busses.

 

hopefully it moves forward and never returns to  time gone by.

So now it's a place worth visiting again. The hoards of tourists will be back and then ..... wash and repeat.....

[Burma Bill]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:17 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

So what do you think will happen? Lots of fishermen in the future and they will use the bars in Walking Street as warehouses or what's on your mind?

Possibly all new businesses geared up for the first flood of Chinese tourists! There were rumors, I believe, that Pattaya and Phuket may become "Chinese Special Economic Zones" - like Sihanoukville in Cambodia. The Thais would love this with all the yuan flowing in! 

[pineapple01]

I can remember Russian Cruise Ships in the Sixties. They visited Lisbon for Example. to be led in a line to Busses, same Chinese style tour round the City following a Flag. I felt sorry for them. No real Money for the Locals, bit like the Chins in Pats they go to one Chin Eating Place much the same as Russians did. . Culling an overpopulated World has its costs.

[spidermike007]

The entire nation is going to have to contend with tourism being way down for years to come. Let us not forget the brilliant minds at the TAT specifically targeted lower and middle income Chinese and Indian tourists. Those are the ones hardest hit by the insane economic shutdown. There will not be vacation money to spend for some time. Very few wealthy tourists come to Thailand anymore, for a dozen good reasons, including xenophobia on the part of immigration and the army and extreme bungling of the industry. 

 

Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket will be hardest hit, no doubt. Millions will remain out of work, long term. 

[CGW]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:41 PM, Pilotman said:

OP, the 80s and 90s may have been good for visiting western sex tourists, old farang slobs and worn out clapped out divorced bitter men

Nice rant, excellent chance to tell us yet again how much you detest Pattaya ????

You know how many visitors Pattaya had in the 80s & 90s, it wasn't very many!