Drug championed by Trump for coronavirus shows no benefit, possible harm in study awaiting validation

[Eric Loh]

31 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Not true. These are all off label uses. Since like Chloroquine they are all approved for other uses. 

True. Documented. But you free to think otherwise. I expected that 

[RJRS1301]

42 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You don’t have to wait as there are promising drugs that are FDA approved and been assessed on their potential in combating the corona virus. Those approved include several antiviral drugs Darinavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir and several other types of drugs including the ACE inhibitor Moexipril, chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitocantrone, painkiller Metamucil, antihistamine Bepotastine and the antimalaria ttf th ohe resurug Atovaquone,

And what what was the result of the assessment?

Since when was Metamucil a painkiller??

What approval other for HIV treatment do these drugs do for treatment in Corona ??covid19 specifically and where are the peer reviewed publications?

 

[Chiphigh]

On 4/28/2020 at 8:28 AM, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Trump had a concise, correct and unambiguous phone conversation with a world leader and still the Dems twisted it.  It's never good for you people.  That much is painfully obvious.

Yes, the left is humorless and dangerously willing to do anything to get him no matter what it takes. Including breaking the law. 

[spidermike007]

As is usually the case, Trump did not research this prior to making his statement. Hydro has actually proven to be one of the most effective drugs available against the treatment of Covid. However, it has to be used in conjunction with Zipthro and alot of Zinc. At least 150mg. of zinc seems to open up the cellular structure of the Covid, and allow penetration of the hydro. A few studies and doctors have already demonstrated this. Before you go on and on about your boring "need for clinical studies" nonsense, consider the worst side effect of all. One they are now contending with in the US. Death. I prefer a mild side effect to death. I prefer a proactive and imaginative doctor willing to break with protocols, to try to save my life, to one who just let's me die, because he has more or less been instructed to do so by the FDA, the CDC and the WHO, on behalf of Big Pharma. 

 

Protocols were meant to be broken when they are not working. What is the absolute definition of stupidity? Repeating something over and over again, when it is not working. And when fatalities are concerned, I think it would be appropriate to also call that behavior irresponsible. 

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

As is usually the case, Trump did not research this prior to making his statement. Hydro has actually proven to be one of the most effective drugs available against the treatment of Covid. However, it has to be used in conjunction with Zipthro and alot of Zinc. At least 150mg. of zinc seems to open up the cellular structure of the Covid, and allow penetration of the hydro. A few studies and doctors have already demonstrated this. Before you go on and on about your boring "need for clinical studies" nonsense, consider the worst side effect of all. One they are now contending with in the US. Death. I prefer a mild side effect to death. I prefer a proactive and imaginative doctor willing to break with protocols, to try to save my life, to one who just let's me die, because he has more or less been instructed to do so by the FDA, the CDC and the WHO, on behalf of Big Pharma. 

 

Protocols were meant to be broken when they are not working. What is the absolute definition of stupidity? Repeating something over and over again, when it is not working. And when fatalities are concerned, I think it would be appropriate to also call that behavior irresponsible. 

"Hydro has actually proven to be one of the most effective drugs available against the treatment of Covid." Looking forward to the proof.

[stevenl]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

As is usually the case, Trump did not research this prior to making his statement. Hydro has actually proven to be one of the most effective drugs available against the treatment of Covid. However, it has to be used in conjunction with Zipthro and alot of Zinc. At least 150mg. of zinc seems to open up the cellular structure of the Covid, and allow penetration of the hydro. A few studies and doctors have already demonstrated this. Before you go on and on about your boring "need for clinical studies" nonsense, consider the worst side effect of all. One they are now contending with in the US. Death. I prefer a mild side effect to death. I prefer a proactive and imaginative doctor willing to break with protocols, to try to save my life, to one who just let's me die, because he has more or less been instructed to do so by the FDA, the CDC and the WHO, on behalf of Big Pharma. 

 

Protocols were meant to be broken when they are not working. What is the absolute definition of stupidity? Repeating something over and over again, when it is not working. And when fatalities are concerned, I think it would be appropriate to also call that behavior irresponsible. 

14 hours since you claimed, hydrochloride has been proven effective. Still waiting for the proof.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

14 hours since you claimed, hydrochloride has been proven effective. Still waiting for the proof.

If you cared to do the research, rather than refute one of the few potential cures out there, there are several videos on Youtube, done by doctors who are using it on their patients with good success. Also a few studies, plus the Zelenko interview. You are welcome to pooh pooh them all. But, what is the alternative, for someone who is gravely ill? Just let them croak? There is no absolute proof. But, there are many success stories. Look, there was no absolute proof of gravity before Newton did his experiments, and if you go back long enough, they really thought the earth was flat, as there was not proof it was round, and they thought the earth was the center of the universe. 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

If you cared to do the research, rather than refute one of the few potential cures out there, there are several videos on Youtube, done by doctors who are using it on their patients with good success. Also a few studies, plus the Zelenko interview. You are welcome to pooh pooh them all. But, what is the alternative, for someone who is gravely ill? Just let them croak? There is no absolute proof. But, there are many success stories. Look, there was no absolute proof of gravity before Newton did his experiments, and if you go back long enough, they really thought the earth was flat, as there was not proof it was round, and they thought the earth was the center of the universe. 

That is not proof, indications at best, with real research so far showing no benefit at all, possibly even pointing to being detrimental.

 

Your claim is not correct. You make the claim, you back it up in stead of telling others to do the research themselves.

[spidermike007]

Just now, stevenl said:

That is not proof, indications at best, with real research so far showing no benefit at all, possibly even pointing to being detrimental.

 

Your claim is not correct. You make the claim, you back it up in stead of telling others to do the research themselves.

Big Pharma is doing a great job of pushing back against these drugs, as most are generic, and there is no big payday in it for them. They seem to prefer to wait, for a massive vaccine payday, and let the chips fall where they may. Look, we all believe what we want to believe. Some are more open minded to alternatives, than others. If I were seriously ill with Covid, I would opt to try the drug cocktail, rather than endure the worst side effect possible, which is death.

 

I made the claim. I do not need to back it up. There is plenty of information out there for those willing to learn.

 

 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Big Pharma is doing a great job of pushing back against these drugs, as most are generic, and there is no big payday in it for them. They seem to prefer to wait, for a massive vaccine payday, and let the chips fall where they may. Look, we all believe what we want to believe. Some are more open minded to alternatives, than others. If I were seriously ill with Covid, I would opt to try the drug cocktail, rather than endure the worst side effect possible, which is death.

 

I made the claim. I do not need to back it up. There is plenty of information out there for those willing to learn.

 

 

Yes, forum rules require you to back up claims. Next time you make this claim without proof I'll report. I hope you do provide the proof, working medication would be excellent, but ATM it is not there yet.

[Bluespunk]

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

"Hydro has actually proven to be one of the most effective drugs available against the treatment of Covid." Looking forward to the proof.

You may be disappointed. 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You may be disappointed. 

I am, he has already admitted to not having the proof.

 

And unfortunately I think that is the situation, it may work, it may not, but there are also downsides, I think the doubts plus negatives weigh more than the positive.

[Tippaporn]

Following are scientific proofs for CV-19 ‘Trump Cure’ from January – April 20, 2020.  Hopefully this will lay this topic to rest and expose all of the Trump haters for their baseless, biased, erroneous opinions.

 

Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports January to April 20, 2020

 

Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Tippaporn

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Following are scientific proofs for CV-19 ‘Trump Cure’ from January – April 20, 2020.  Hopefully this will lay this topic to rest and expose all of the Trump haters for their baseless, biased, erroneous opinions.

 

Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports January to April 20, 2020

 

Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.

 

Paper by whom? In which publication?

[checkered flag]

It appears that anything mentioned by Trump is automatically rejected by the Never Trumper crowd. This should not be a political decision, but the willingness to try should be commended. We need to cut through unhelpful regulations and find people help.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Paper by whom? In which publication?

Geezus, stevenl, you still want remain in denial by asking for sources?  Who cares, they're scientific proofs.  That's not good enough for you.

 

By God, please, please don't report me for not providing a link.  I'll hold my tongue on that one.

 

https://principia-scientific.org/scientific-proofs-for-cv-19-trump-cure-from-january-april-20-2020/

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Geezus, stevenl, you still want remain in denial by asking for sources?  Who cares, they're scientific proofs.  That's not good enough for you.

 

By God, please, please don't report me for not providing a link.  I'll hold my tongue on that one.

 

https://principia-scientific.org/scientific-proofs-for-cv-19-trump-cure-from-january-april-20-2020/

I'm not in denial, hope it works. But a summary from conspiracy theorists with only the positives included  is not exactly scientific proof. And that is putting it mildly.

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

It appears that anything mentioned by Trump is automatically rejected by the Never Trumper crowd. This should not be a political decision, but the willingness to try should be commended. We need to cut through unhelpful regulations and find people help.

These liberal Trump haters really need to start questioning what they're all about.  They have no idea of what's coming down the pike.

 

Yes, it's hard to find adjectives to describe such a destructive, virulent mindset which ardently, mindlessly fights against potential cures to a pandemic simply because a man they hate is the one who brought it to the limelight.  Sick.

[RJRS1301]

27 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Following are scientific proofs for CV-19 ‘Trump Cure’ from January – April 20, 2020.  Hopefully this will lay this topic to rest and expose all of the Trump haters for their baseless, biased, erroneous opinions.

 

Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports January to April 20, 2020

 

Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.

 

• Chloroquine seems to be effective in limiting the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.

 

• There is rationale, evidence of effectiveness and evidence of safety from long-time clinical use for other indications to justify clinical research on chloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/preview

That is the rider "seems" " in vitro"

Justify clinical research.

 

 

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[RJRS1301]

27 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Following are scientific proofs for CV-19 ‘Trump Cure’ from January – April 20, 2020.  Hopefully this will lay this topic to rest and expose all of the Trump haters for their baseless, biased, erroneous opinions.

 

Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports January to April 20, 2020

 

Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.

 

• Chloroquine seems to be effective in limiting the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.

 

• There is rationale, evidence of effectiveness and evidence of safety from long-time clinical use for other indications to justify clinical research on chloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/preview

That is the rider "seems" " in vitro"

Justify clinical research.

 

 

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[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I'm not in denial, hope it works. But a summary from conspiracy theorists with only the positives included  is not exactly scientific proof. And that is putting it mildly.

  

47 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, forum rules require you to back up claims. Next time you make this claim without proof I'll report. I hope you do provide the proof, working medication would be excellent, but ATM it is not there yet.

Since you brought it up, how about you back up your claim of "a summary from conspiracy theorists" with proof upon pain of being reported.  I want to know specifically where you got that information from.  Link to it.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Tippaporn

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

  

Since you brought it up, how about you back up your claim of "a summary from conspiracy theorists" with proof upon pain of being reported.  I want to know specifically where you got that information from.  Link to it.

 

At the bottom of your link. Can show you the texts later when I'm behind a computer, but just reading their info again that seems totally superfluous.

Edited April 30, 2020 by stevenl

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

At the bottom of your link.

You're not being clear.  Where is your proof that it's "a summary from conspiracy theorists?"

[Rimmer]

A flame has been removed also a TDS troll post

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You're not being clear.  Where is your proof that it's "a summary from conspiracy theorists?"

All the negatives have been left out, so scientifically worthless and a one-sided summary.

And yes, conspiracy theorists, denying manmade climate change, greenhouse gas, etc.

[Thomas J]

On 4/22/2020 at 5:26 AM, Tug said:

To bad would have been nice if it helped wonder how many were injured by trumps unfounded ill advised and harmful jaw jacking 

Tug

 

The study was for those patients needing a ventilator.  It was known that the drug benefited EARLY use of it to prevent the need for a ventilator.  In terms of harm. the drug has been used for decades with thousands of studies.  OF COURSE THOSE WERE BEFORE THE STUDIES TO DISCREDIT TRUMP.  It has been shown to be safe even for pregnant women  Also its primary use for rheumatoid arthritis the dosage is two to four times higher than for COVID19 and is ongoing where as for Covid it is a 5 day regimine.  I know you dislike Trump but try just once to look up some facts instead of letting your dislike of him showcase how little you know. 

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

All the negatives have been left out, so scientifically worthless and a one-sided summary.

And yes, conspiracy theorists, denying manmade climate change, greenhouse gas, etc.

LOL, "All the negatives have been left out, so scientifically worthless and a one-sided summary."  There's evidence of hypocrisy in that statement as your posts re Trump to date leave all the positives out, so worthless as they're a one-sided view point.

 

I get the feeling that you're trying to skate on this one so please, when you do get back in front of your PC do show proof that this summary was produced by conspiracy theorists.

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Trump to date leave all the positives out

Please enlighten him then.

 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Tug

 

The study was for those patients needing a ventilator.  It was known that the drug benefited EARLY use of it to prevent the need for a ventilator.  In terms of harm. the drug has been used for decades with thousands of studies.  OF COURSE THOSE WERE BEFORE THE STUDIES TO DISCREDIT TRUMP.  It has been shown to be safe even for pregnant women  Also its primary use for rheumatoid arthritis the dosage is two to four times higher than for COVID19 and is ongoing where as for Covid it is a 5 day regimine.  I know you dislike Trump but try just once to look up some facts instead of letting your dislike of him showcase how little you know. 

There are no studies to discredit Trump, no studies required for that.

There are studies going on regarding the effectiveness of hydrochloride as a covid-19 medication.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please enlighten him then.

 

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