U.S. deaths top 47,000 after near-record increase on previous day: Reuters tally

[webfact]

U.S. deaths top 47,000 after near-record increase on previous day: Reuters tally

By Lisa Shumaker

 

FILE PHOTO: The body bag of a COVID-19 victim, is labeled in the prep room of International Funeral & Cremation Services, a funeral home in Harlem, during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, in Manhattan, New York City, New York, U.S., April 10, 2020. REUTERS/Andrew Kelly

 

(Reuters) - U.S. coronavirus deaths topped 47,000 on Wednesday after rising by a near-record single-day number the previous day, according to a Reuters tally.

 

A University of Washington model https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america, often cited by the White House, projected a total of nearly 66,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths by Aug. 4, an upward revision from its most recent previous estimate of 60,000 deaths. At current rates, U.S. deaths could reach 50,000 later this week.

 

The first U.S. coronavirus death occurred weeks earlier than previously believed, according to California county health officials who saved tissue samples for weeks until they could be tested. The first U.S. death was on Feb. 6, instead of Feb. 29, they reported.

 

In the weeks since, the U.S. death toll has soared to the highest in the world.

 

U.S. deaths totaled 47,050 on Wednesday, with the day's count about 1,800 and some states have yet to report. U.S. deaths increased by 2,792 on Tuesday alone, just shy of a peak of 2,806 deaths in a single day on April 15.

 

New York state, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak, reported 474 new deaths on Wednesday, the smallest increase since April 1. Some nearby states such as Pennsylvania and New Jersey reported record single-day deaths tolls on Tuesday.

 

Health officials have said that deaths are a lagging indicator of the outbreak, coming weeks after patients fall sick, and do not mean stay-at-home restrictions are failing to slow the spread of the virus.

 

The United States has by far the world's largest number of confirmed coronavirus cases at over 830,000. Cases rose 20,000 so far on Wednesday and were on track to continue the slow but steady decline seen throughout April.

 

President Donald Trump on Wednesday applauded steps taken by a handful of Republican-led U.S. states, including Georgia, South Carolina and Tennessee, to start reopening their economies despite warnings of a potential fresh surge of coronavirus infections.

 

(Writing by Lisa Shumaker; Editing by Howard Goller)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-04-23

 

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[nobodysfriend]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

U.S. coronavirus deaths topped 47,000 on Wednesday after rising by a near-record single-day number the previous day, according to a Reuters tally.

Is that a good time to open up the economy again ?

Many Americans want that .

The Virus will get more victims .

But Donald and his ' legal team ' will create a lot of lawsuits against China . And just do everything they can to get reparation money .

Good luck with that .

China will not accept any accusations of negligence etc .

But the US have a lot of experience in suing companies ...

China itself will continue to behave aggressively against it's enemies ( Hong Kong ) as they think the world's attention is distracted right now . I hope that will not end up in a war ... but all know by now , that , once the global supply chains are disrupted , ( nearly all pass by China ) , all importing countries economies will suffer from this . So , may be no war ...?

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by nobodysfriend

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Is that a good time to open up the economy again ?

Many Americans want that .

The Virus will get more victims .

But Donald and his ' legal team ' will create a lot of lawsuits against China . And just do everything they can to get reparation money .

Good luck with that .

China will not accept any accusations of negligence etc .

But the US have a lot of experience in suing companies ...

China itself will continue to behave aggressively against it's enemies ( Hong Kong ) as they think the world's attention is distracted right now . I hope that will not end up in a war ... but all know by now , that , once the global supply chains are disrupted , ( nearly all pass by China ) , all importing countries economies will suffer from this . So , may be no war ...?

 

Deaths are the result of earlier infections, so not a good indication for opening or not. New infections should be looked at for that decision.

[Colabamumbai]

Trump, the virus that destroyed America, dollars before death. 

[pegman]

Update,  as he is prone to do Trump did a backflip on early openings and tossed the Georgia governor under the bus. 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, pegman said:

Update,  as he is prone to do Trump did a backflip on early openings and tossed the Georgia governor under the bus. 

I am sure his allies don't like him much for throwing everyone under the bus, but they are still republicans so they rather take his <deleted> than allow a much more sensible president from the other side to win in the next election. 

[Tug]

I wonder what things would look like now if we had a potus that reacted early on in the pandemic I know that things would look bad but not as bad as this and it seems to me donald is more concerned with covering his rear end than the American people sad

[metisdead]

Some troll posts containing trolling references to Mr. Trump and a post using a profane acronym have been removed. 

[CharlieH]

Reported post with derogatory name calling has been removed.

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

New infections should be looked at for that decision.

They are sky high but who cares, just open up.

[Venom]

Nearly at last years flu pandemic numbers and it's only April! ????

[chessman]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

A University of Washington model https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america, often cited by the White House, projected a total of nearly 66,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths by Aug. 4, an upward revision from its most recent previous estimate of 60,000 deaths.

I saw this model mentioned in a number of places and the website is very user friendly so I started tracking it a bit.

Sadly I think it is currently underestimating future deaths by quite a bit. The model seems to show that after the peak, the number of deaths go down quite quickly, similar to how they increased. If you look at countries like Italy that are indisputably past their peak, they are still reporting a fairly high daily amount of deaths and the daily deaths are not going down quickly. Thus this model underestimates the 'tail', and makes the peak look like the Matterhorn when they are in fact more like table mountain.

[Jonnapat]

Undoubtedly the USA and the UK have seen the worst possible reaction to this awful virus.

It's also no coincidence that these country's 2 leaders are the ones putting political expediency above all else.

Shocking and shameful. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Trump and the federal government's own "guidelines" for reopening say that any state should first, among other things, have  a sustained decrease in CV cases over a 14-day period before easing restrictions.

 

I don't think any of the handful of Southern state led by Republican governors that are moving toward reopening have met that standard in the guidelines. But they're doing it anyway.

 

[chessman]

6 minutes ago, Redoubt said:

Apparently Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, et al. will never report this even if the data were to be made available; for the truth does not fit the agenda at all.

I have seen a lot of reports in the mainstream media and otherwise that smoking puts you more at risk. 

 

As for the marijuana, a lot of deaths are in care homes. Is it common that people are passing joints in care homes?

[Canuck1966]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

I wonder what things would look like now if we had a potus that reacted early on in the pandemic I know that things would look bad but not as bad as this and it seems to me donald is more concerned with covering his rear end than the American people sad

Sigh, you are another who is ideologically possessed and can't see clearly.

He acted plenty quick enough and even took a lot of flack from Dems who called him Ray Cyst

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Trump and the federal government's own "guidelines" for reopening say that any state should first, among other things, have  a sustained decrease in CV cases over a 14-day period before easing restrictions.

 

I don't think any of the handful of Southern state led by Republican governors that are moving toward reopening have met that standard in the guidelines. But they're doing it anyway.

 

 

From Johns Hopkins site -- up, up, up and away!

 

Confirmed cases:

Texas:

 

 

Georgia:

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

 

Deaths:

 

Texas

 

Georgia

Edited April 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Sigh, you are another who is ideologically possessed and can't see clearly.

He acted plenty quick enough and even took a lot of flack from Dems who called him Ray Cyst

Can you please tell what he did in February and march up to the middle of the month?

[Canuck1966]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Can you please tell what he did in February and march up to the middle of the month?

It would take me too long to write it all down.

You can do the research if you could be bothered.

The fact that the Chinese lied and obsfucated is the main issue. That's where people's anger should be channeled, but the Dems and leftie loons can't help themselves

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

It would take me too long to write it all down.

You can do the research if you could be bothered.

The fact that the Chinese lied and obsfucated is the main issue. That's where people's anger should be channeled, but the Dems and leftie loons can't help themselves

I can tell you, there were golfing events and campaign rallies.

 

Regarding the US response China is not the main issue, surprise surprise, it is the late reaction from the US.

[Canuck1966]

Just now, stevenl said:

I can tell you, there were golfing events and campaign rallies.

 

Regarding the US response China is not the main issue, surprise surprise, it is the late reaction from the US.

Dear me, as I posted earlier the ideologically possessed are unable to think rationally

[OneMoreFarang]

And there will be more and more dead.

And Trump will continue to blame everybody else because he did the perfect job. 10 out of 10...

[Thomas J]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Is that a good time to open up the economy again ?

Many Americans want that .

The Virus will get more victims .

But Donald and his ' legal team ' will create a lot of lawsuits against China . And just do everything they can to get reparation money .

Good luck with that .

China will not accept any accusations of negligence etc .

But the US have a lot of experience in suing companies ...

China itself will continue to behave aggressively against it's enemies ( Hong Kong ) as they think the world's attention is distracted right now . I hope that will not end up in a war ... but all know by now , that , once the global supply chains are disrupted , ( nearly all pass by China ) , all importing countries economies will suffer from this . So , may be no war ...?

This is a situation of picking your death by hanging or pick it by firing squad.  Yes the virus will likely cause more deaths, however the majority of those will be older and with significant pre existing conditions meaning they would have a shorter life expectancy to begin with.  However, keeping the economy shut will also have victims.  Some of those death, some bankruptcy, some starvation, some a ruined chance for college etc.  Those will impact more then young and with the debt impact generations to come.  It is horrible that 47,000 people died from the virus.  With that said, be mindful that many deaths today are being labeled as coronavirus deaths but the patient was already on dialysis for kidney failure, already in the final stages of cancer but caught the virus, or like my mother in law, a shut in at a nursing home who died at 95 catching the virus.  Remember also in 2018 death toll in the USA was 80,000 from the flu and that too was a tragedy but we did not stop the world because of its severity. 

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Dear me, as I posted earlier the ideologically possessed are unable to think rationally

Allow me to link this time-line of how Trump responded to the pandemic and I hope you able to reply rationally and not be influenced by ideology. You will see that Trump did nothing but playing down the on-coming pandemic and even had time for golf and campaign rallies. 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/20/how-donald-trump-responded-coronavirus-pandemic/

[teatime101]

1 minute ago, Canuck1966 said:

the ideologically possessed are unable to think rationally

China responded poorly and lied about it. Trump responded poorly and lied about it.

 

Just because China is at fault doesn't excuse Trump. 

[spidermike007]

I would not trust those numbers. There does seem to be a deliberate agenda at the highest levels, to scare the American public. Scare them into total submission? It is anyone's guess what the agenda is. Hospitals are being given a premium for declaring deaths as Covid, for uninsured patients who die. Why? One would ask why would the feds want to actually beef up the numbers? Even if there is no testing done, all the patient has to do is exhibit "Covid like symptoms", and they can write Covid on the death certificate. This is a scandal of the highest magnitude, that is being perpetrated on the American people. 

 

Hospitals are getting paid more to list patients as Covid-19 and three times as much if the patient goes on a ventilator, according to The Spectator. Last night Senator Dr. Scott Jensen from Minnesota went on The Ingraham Angle to discuss how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is encouraging American doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the US. This was after Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator, told a local station he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a Covid-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus. Dr. Jensen also disclosed that hospitals are paid more if they list patients with a Covid-19 diagnosis.

 

https://accountingweekly.com/us-hospitals-getting-paid-to-list-patients-as-covid-19/

[rabas]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

26 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Sigh, you are another who is ideologically possessed and can't see clearly.

He acted plenty quick enough and even took a lot of flack from Dems who called him Ray Cyst

Can you please tell what he did in February and march up to the middle of the month?

NOTE: The specific date range Feb 1 to mid March. Why?

 

President Trump issued a "Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Non immigrants or Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus" on January 31, 2020. This prevents most foreign nationals from being able to enter the U.S. if they have travelled to China within the past 14 days.  President Trump issued a travel ban to European countries in March 2020. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-travel-exclusi/exclusive-u-s-to-add-britain-ireland-to-european-travel-ban-airline-u-s-officials-idUSKBN2110UF

[chessman]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Hospitals are getting paid more to list patients as Covid-19 and three times as much if the patient goes on a ventilator, according to The Spectator. Last night Senator Dr. Scott Jensen from Minnesota went on The Ingraham Angle to discuss how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is encouraging American doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the US. This was after Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator, told a local station he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a Covid-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus. Dr. Jensen also disclosed that hospitals are paid more if they list patients with a Covid-19 diagnosis.

You can see a more sober analysis of this here on this fact checking website. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

The minnesota state senator (Jensen) whose interview seemed to start this line of thinking doesn't actually think hospitals are misclassifying cases for financial reasons. Covid cases only earn hospitals 20% more than like-for-like similar non covid cases, and for hospitals the extra 20% doesn't make up for the elective surgeries they had to cancel.

 

It's true as well there are other countries in the world that have different medical systems and ways of financing them and they also are getting many cases. Some of these countries have a higher rate of infection than the US

 

It is very likely that deaths of Covid are actually being underestimated, as they are finding out now in Northern Italy and the UK. 

[Canuck1966]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Allow me to link this time-line of how Trump responded to the pandemic and I hope you able to reply rationally and not be influenced by ideology. You will see that Trump did nothing but playing down the on-coming pandemic and even had time for golf and campaign rallies. 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/20/how-donald-trump-responded-coronavirus-pandemic/

Trump and all western leaders have been lead by the scientists, and they were using the fake Chinese numbers to create projections etc

NO country goes on a complete lockdown with a death rate of 0.0000021

The fake death figure of 3,000 out of 1,400,000,000 population is not going to raise the alarm anywhere

[earlinclaifornia]

16 minutes ago, rabas said:

NOTE: The specific date range Feb 1 to mid March. Why?

 

President Trump issued a "Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Non immigrants or Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus" on January 31, 2020. This prevents most foreign nationals from being able to enter the U.S. if they have travelled to China within the past 14 days.  President Trump issued a travel ban to European countries in March 2020. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-travel-exclusi/exclusive-u-s-to-add-britain-ireland-to-european-travel-ban-airline-u-s-officials-idUSKBN2110UF

You are an opportunity for fact checking in all your postings.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/