Coronavirus: What global travel may look like ahead of a vaccine

[webfact]

Coronavirus: What global travel may look like ahead of a vaccine

By Mal Siret

BBC News

 

Hong Kong International Airport is testing a "full-body disinfection" device//EPA

 

Sun loungers separated by plexiglass. Blood tests and sanitiser spray-downs before flights. These might sound extreme, but they are real measures some in the travel industry are looking at to keep holidaymakers feeling safe and comfortable in a post-lockdown world.

 

It's too early to say when international travel might restart again - Argentina, for example, has extended flight bans until September and a UK minister has said he won't be booking a summer holiday anytime soon.

 

But what will overseas trips look like when they're able to be taken again? Here's what you might expect.

 

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52450038

 

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[tribalfusion001]

Do you think there is an agenda about a vaccine going on, no more "normal" without a vaccine, hmm.

[cornishcarlos]

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Do you think there is an agenda about a vaccine going on, no more "normal" without a vaccine, hmm.

 

Been saying that for weeks... But you will be labelled a conspiracy theorist on here !!

[tribalfusion001]

7 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Been saying that for weeks... But you will be labelled a conspiracy theorist on here !!

I never have been, me and couple of friends in BKK always laugh at another mate who says about 9/11, NWO etc. But this pandemic stinks of control and hidden agendas.

[OnTheGround]

Way too early to speculate. Second wave and what else might happen.

Early next year is the time to speculate, when we know more about this pandemic.

 

We humans can't wait to get back to normal life again, and many don't comprehend the severity of this virus, or don't care.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, OnTheGround said:

Way too early to speculate. Second wave and what else might happen.

Early next year is the time to speculate, when we know more about this pandemic.

 

We humans can't wait to get back to normal life again, and many don't comprehend the severity of this virus, or don't care.

It's not "severe" for every country. Not to minimise the personal tragedies involved, some countries are worse affected by lockdowns than the virus.

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

they are real measures some in the travel industry are looking at to keep holidaymakers feeling safe and comfortable in a post-lockdown world.

and what about those of us that think those precautions are a waste of time? It's like when they made middle England mothers drink their baby's bottle milk in case they were Islamic terrorists smuggling bombs on board. Tailor the precautions to the situation by all means, but one size does not fit all.

 

Just more reasons not to fly. Don't buy shares in aircraft just yet, IMO.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Do you think there is an agenda about a vaccine going on, no more "normal" without a vaccine, hmm.

 

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Been saying that for weeks... But you will be labelled a conspiracy theorist on here !!

A question to both of you, who's agenda?

 

 

 

[Pilotman]

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge.  The natural laws of nature have been ignored for far too long., The planet is overpopulated, polluted by Human kind and the scientists find ever more ingenious, some would say irresponsible, ways to circumvent natural selection and the immutable laws of the Universe. This is Nature fighting back, and it will win in the end, if not this time, then next time, or the one after that.  Humans are stupid, short sighted, selfish and ignorant and this is the result.  Get used to it, it can  and will only get worse.  

[cornishcarlos]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

A question to both of you, who's agenda?

 

 

 

Those who stand to make a lot of money from vaccinations..

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, cornishcarlos said:

Those who stand to make a lot of money from vaccinations..

Can you provide a half believable explanation of  how they have managed to coordinate news reports, government  responses, co-opted the medical profession and all on a global scale. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Both partners have agreed to operate on a not-for-profit basis for the duration of the coronavirus pandemic, with only the costs of production and distribution being covered. Oxford University and its spin-out company Vaccitech, who jointly have the rights to the platform technology used to develop the vaccine candidate, will receive no royalties from the vaccine during the pandemic. Any royalties the University subsequently receives from the vaccine will be reinvested directly back into medical research, including a new Pandemic Preparedness and Vaccine Research Centre. The centre is being developed in collaboration with AstraZeneca.

 

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-04-30-oxford-university-announces-landmark-partnership-astrazeneca-development-and

[timendres]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you provide a half believable explanation of  how they have managed to coordinate news reports, government  responses, co-opted the medical profession and all on a global scale. 

I feel it is a confluence of common interests. Much of the media needs clickbait and sensationalism. This encourages them to present the worst view of the pandemic. Gates and company are seriously vested in the entire vaccine ecosystem, so they want to flatten the curve to prevent herd immunity before they can cash in. The WHO (as in Tedros) was chumming up with the CCP to present their story. Fauci wants to avoid looking like he shutdown America for no good reason, which he did. Politicians cannot be seen as doing nothing and risking lives, so they must take actions that follow the existing storyline, because otherwise they will be crucified in the press. Big Pharma wants to develop the treatment drugs that will sell in mass quantities at premium prices. The medical profession was dealing with what appeared to be one of the worst outbreaks in a number of years, and did not want to overflow their capacity. All of these combined to promote the concept that this virus was exceptionally lethal, and that the infection curve must be flattened.

 

As a specific example of the bias, consider this May 2 New York Times article:

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Cuomo reports slight uptick in deaths but fewer hospitalizations in New York.

 

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo arrived on Saturday to the New York City Transit’s Corona Maintenance Facility in Queens to deliver a sliver of bad news in the fight against the coronavirus: The state’s daily death toll went up slightly after a consistent decline in the past few days.

 

“That number has remained obnoxiously and terrifyingly high,” Mr. Cuomo said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

 

I added the bold underline to the last sentence, as this was the take away from many media reports.

 

YET, here is the chart from NYC's very own health department website:

 

 

Does that chart suggest "terrifyingly high"? Or does it suggest that the wave has passed?

 

What Cuomo should have said is "We are past the worst phase of this wave of the pandemic, and now we need to remain vigilant while life returns to normal".

 

[ukrules]

It's about time the world got serious on AntiViral research, by serious I'm talking about an international scale research effort.

 

They do it in other areas like power, for example the long term ITER project which started in 1988, comes online in 2025 and will apparently be completed in 2035. Tens of billions of dollars have been pumped into this project and it is expected to change the world on a long term basis and this is just for the working prototype fusion reactor in France. Part of the problem with politics is that they often don't think long term enough.

 

If the governments of the world throw say $10 Billion (or more) per decade into public antiviral research I reckon they could end up with something that eliminates viruses. Work has been done in this area before but I believe it dried up due to lack of funding.

 

Think about that - they were working on something that would stop all viruses dead, like a broad spectrum antibiotic destroys nearly all bacteria but various people over time decided that this wasn't needed so it wasn't funded.

 

A clear need has been demonstrated now.

[Pattaya46]

43 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge.  The natural laws of nature have been ignored for far too long., The planet is overpopulated, polluted by Human kind and the scientists find ever more ingenious, some would say irresponsible, ways to circumvent natural selection and the immutable laws of the Universe. This is Nature fighting back, and it will win in the end, if not this time, then next time, or the one after that.  Humans are stupid, short sighted, selfish and ignorant and this is the result.  Get used to it, it can  and will only get worse.  

A bit harsh in the way you write it, but I agree on the substance 

Nature doesn't need us to produce deadly virus. No lack of serious epidemics in human history. Difference in modern times is that local epidemics became world pandemics, because of our huge (over)population and too many travels (trains, planes,...)

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge.  The natural laws of nature have been ignored for far too long., The planet is overpopulated, polluted by Human kind and the scientists find ever more ingenious, some would say irresponsible, ways to circumvent natural selection and the immutable laws of the Universe. This is Nature fighting back, and it will win in the end, if not this time, then next time, or the one after that.  Humans are stupid, short sighted, selfish and ignorant and this is the result.  Get used to it, it can  and will only get worse.  

 

All down to those pesky humans and their scientific developments.

 

Were you a supporter of Pol Pot? Want to turn the clock back when disease, famine and war killed millions and millions and life expectancy was considerably less for all but the elites?

[mrfill]

32 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

A bit harsh in the way you write it, but I agree on the substance 

Nature doesn't need us to produce deadly virus. No lack of serious epidemics in human history. Difference in modern times is that local epidemics became world pandemics, because of our huge (over)population and too many travels (trains, planes,...)

The Black Death in the 1340s didn't do so bad, wiping out two thirds of the population of Europe and Asia (the known world at the time). Venice introduced a 40 day isolation period in 1347 for foreign ships (quaranta giorni ) which is where we get the word quarantine from. And it returned twice.

[malibukid]

50 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

All down to those pesky humans and their scientific developments.

 

Were you a supporter of Pol Pot? Want to turn the clock back when disease, famine and war killed millions and millions and life expectancy was considerably less for all but the elites?

what needed is a comprehensive global birth control initiative .  too many stupid humans breeding.  most have no business have offspring. i suggest a license to reproduce.  one must meet stringent finical, health including genome testing for inheritable diseases and psychological  criteria.

Edited May 4, 2020 by malibukid

[johng]

5 minutes ago, malibukid said:

what needed is a comprehensive global birth control initiative .  too many stupid humans breeding.  most have no business have offspring. i suggest a license to reproduce.  one must meet stringent finical, health including genome testing for inheritable diseases and psychological  criteria.

While I fully agree that there are too many humans breeding,   do not at all I agree with your

"breeding criteria"   ..genome testing  "the perfect race"  that's stuff of WWII !!

[johng]

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge. 

Yes still the thin end      Flu kills more every year.

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

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COVID-19: There have been approximately 244,122 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 66,385 people have died of COVID-19, as of May 3, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

 

[cornishcarlos]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you provide a half believable explanation of  how they have managed to coordinate news reports, government  responses, co-opted the medical profession and all on a global scale. 

 

 

 

Global scale is not required, just a few main stream media outlets influencing people. It then grows through social media and bingo, everyone thinks nothing will ever be the same until we have a vaccine !! If you think that can't be done, then I guess you believe elections can't be manipulated either ?? 

[3NUMBAS]

some docs have spoken out and say there wont be any vaccine

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

 

 

London (CNN)As countries lie frozen in lockdown and billions of people lose their livelihoods, public figures are teasing a breakthrough that would mark the end of the crippling coronavirus pandemic: a vaccine.

But there is another, worst-case possibility: that no vaccine is ever developed. In this outcome, the public's hopes are repeatedly raised and then dashed, as various proposed solutions fall before the final hurdle.

Instead of wiping out Covid-19, societies may instead learn to live with it. Cities would slowly open and some freedoms will be returned, but on a short leash, if experts' recommendations are followed. Testing and physical tracing will become part of our lives in the short term, but in many countries, an abrupt instruction to self-isolate could come at any time. Treatments may be developed -- but outbreaks of the disease could still occur each year, and the global death toll would continue to tick upwards.

[Tropposurfer]

12 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Do you think there is an agenda about a vaccine going on, no more "normal" without a vaccine, hmm.

Yeah it’s a conspiracy by China to tople US and other western countries righteous domination of the globe and take over the world and enslave us all????

[natway09]

Pilotman,,,, I applaud you,,, great landing

Will the Thai government accept tourists from the US, UK, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, Africa etc

before Christmas ?

If they do then this time next year we will be in loskdown again ....or vaccine maybe or stay home

[skytrooper70]

9 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge.  The natural laws of nature have been ignored for far too long., The planet is overpopulated, polluted by Human kind and the scientists find ever more ingenious, some would say irresponsible, ways to circumvent natural selection and the immutable laws of the Universe. This is Nature fighting back, and it will win in the end, if not this time, then next time, or the one after that.  Humans are stupid, short sighted, selfish and ignorant and this is the result.  Get used to it, it can  and will only get worse.  

In short, Charles Darwin's "survival of the fittest" meets Mother Nature's "culling the herd."

[Krataiboy]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

A question to both of you, who's agenda?

 

 

 

Could they possibly have meant movers and shakers like these?

 

"Through the sheer size of their grant-making, personal networking and active advocacy, large global foundations, most notably the Rockefeller Foundation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have played an increasingly active role in shaping the agenda-setting and funding priorities of international organizations and governments.” - Extract from a special report published by the Global Policy Forum in 2015.

 

https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/January-2019/WHO,-Pharma,-Gates.aspx

[timendres]

3 hours ago, natway09 said:

Pilotman,,,, I applaud you,,, great landing

Will the Thai government accept tourists from the US, UK, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, Africa etc

before Christmas ?

If they do then this time next year we will be in loskdown again ....or vaccine maybe or stay home

I seriously doubt, after witnessing the cost of this global shutdown, that there will be another like it, unless a more serious virus comes along. What is more likely is that governments will better prepare for these outbreaks. Things like "mask alerts", better testing and tracing, isolation protocols for the most vulnerable, better distancing in close quarters establishments, etc. will more likely be the result.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Covid 19 is the thin edge of the wedge.  The natural laws of nature have been ignored for far too long., The planet is overpopulated, polluted by Human kind and the scientists find ever more ingenious, some would say irresponsible, ways to circumvent natural selection and the immutable laws of the Universe. This is Nature fighting back, and it will win in the end, if not this time, then next time, or the one after that.  Humans are stupid, short sighted, selfish and ignorant and this is the result.  Get used to it, it can  and will only get worse.  

Well said.

I was going on about overpopulation when climate change was big ( that seems so long ago now ), but not much support.

Possibly more lives saved by not having as many cars on the road than have been lost to Corona. Perhaps private cars should be banned.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

All down to those pesky humans and their scientific developments.

 

Were you a supporter of Pol Pot? Want to turn the clock back when disease, famine and war killed millions and millions and life expectancy was considerably less for all but the elites?

Given human abuse of antibiotics, a return to plague killing millions is entirely possible.

If the lockdowns continue, poverty WILL be reducing life expectancy.

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well said.

I was going on about overpopulation when climate change was big ( that seems so long ago now ), but not much support.

Possibly more lives saved by not having as many cars on the road than have been lost to Corona. Perhaps private cars should be banned.

I hope that the massive drop in world pollution during Covid 19 will show  human kind what we need to  do to save the World and send a strong message to our so called 'leaders', but I doubt it.   Once this is over, if it ever is, humans will revert to type. 

[Rimmer]

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