Trump says he doesn't want to talk to Xi right now, could even cut China ties

[Mama Noodle]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Great idea. And see how Americans will respond to the prices for "Made in America".

Ive got no problem at all paying more for American and/or western made products, in fact I actively seek them out and have for years. 

 

 

[WineOh]

These two systems simply cannot coexist together.

Freedom Vs Authoritarianism.

Two super powers with vastly different outlooks on life in general.

They cannot exist on the same planet together...

 

War is the only solution.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Amazed that some people think Xi is a "good guy".

Xi is at least a consistent guy. China's politics does not change from today to tomorrow because the leader has a stupid idea - which maybe the next day will change again.

I understand if people think and vote for the left or the right or the middle. What I have difficulties understanding is why lots of people vote for inconsistent idiots. Why do people still support that serial liar? And the alternative is not only a DEMs candidate. They could for a competent GOP candidate - if they would have a spine and remove that moron.

[fruitman]

3 hours ago, Retarded said:

Just order to pull out all the American factory and see how he responds.  

And Europe should do the same! We're tired of the Chinese.

[RJRS1301]

6 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

The China threads are always good for a chuckle. You have the Trump haters hating Trump and back slapping each other over it, and when you point out that they are doing it under a Communist flag, they backtrack, get indignant, and say they have problems with China too - Yet oddly enough they never talk about them. Just Trump. 

 

Every western nation needs to start taking their supply chains and national security alot more seriously. 

Just because a person does not fully support the POTUS in all his inglorious splendour, it does not mean they " are under a communist flag" perhaps they are being analytical and not blinkered.

Seems the thread is about Trump, so why should he not be mentioned?

 

[Rimmer]

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[fruitman]

25 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I predict he'll be re-elected by a landslide victory.

Of course! After the whole Trump-Russia  disaster Americans finally should realize how foolish they look now outside the US.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Able to move factories anywhere in the world, in a heartbeat.  USA is not hobbled like other declining ex-empires.

And then? If they move them i.e. from Asia to South Africa then next thing they will start a trade war with that continent.

The problem with America and especially Trump and his supporters is they always blame the others. Look in a mirror!

[OneMoreFarang]

23 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure Xi is hoping that one day there will be an adult POTUS. What's the point of talking to a baby?

 

Yeah Im positive Communist Xi is hoping for old Joe Biden.

And that is probably for you reason enough to vote for an idiot. Yeah, great idea. The land of the free and all that.

[TKDfella]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

And nuke the Americans (and others) who use cheap labour to manufacture high profile clothing, shoe etc., brands. Any names come to mind?

And if you are wearing or using any of those items doesn't that make you an accessory? Probably most of the population eh? So how about we start the 'nuking' with you, Ha!

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Ive got no problem at all paying more for American and/or western made products, in fact I actively seek them out and have for years. 

 

 

That's wonderful - if you can afford it. But how many people are able and willing to pay double and more for Made in America?

China wouldn't be so successful if not many, probably most, people prefer to pay less. And China offers often very good quality. 

[marqus12]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

hey should have never let this happen," Trump said. "So I make a great trade deal and now I say this doesn't feel the same to me. The ink was barely dry and the plague came over. And it doesn't feel the same to me

There was never any real deal, the Chinese did not agree on anything that

Trump really wanted... that's why this "pandemic" is so heated.

[Eric Loh]

Trump cognitive disorder is rapidly manifesting. His public behavior recently is very disturbing with him losing touch with reality and his free wheeling hyperbole. He is a one man wrecking machine and a danger to his country and to the world. There is already a cold war between US and China before the pandemic and with this dangerous bravado by Trump will push it right off. Cutting ties will badly damage the America economy and will be grave for the world and force countries to choose side. As POTUS, he should be careful with his words and careful what he asked for. He represent the people; not himself.  

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

<snip> He represent the people; not himself.  

No. He's SUPPOSED to represent the people, but he only cares about himself and his cronies.

[Tagged]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump cognitive disorder is rapidly manifesting. His public behavior recently is very disturbing with him losing touch with reality and his free wheeling hyperbole. He is a one man wrecking machine and a danger to his country and to the world. There is already a cold war between US and China before the pandemic and with this dangerous bravado by Trump will push it right off. Cutting ties will badly damage the America economy and will be grave for the world and force countries to choose side. As POTUS, he should be careful with his words and careful what he asked for. He represent the people; not himself.  

I would say the majority of Trump fans, is dangerous to themselves, and they still do not know how much damage they do to their country and the world. Hillary was or is a crook, and Obama should be investigated, go and figure ????

Edited May 15, 2020 by Tagged

[johnnybangkok]

43 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Default on any debts due to China. Confiscate any Chinese owned assets and bank accounts in the US. Deport all Chinese nationals back home. Ban all trade and travel between US/China. Then maybe, just maybe, start to talk with the Chinese communist regime about deals.

 Of course it could have been easier. Had China not lied and covered up the initial outbreak. Had the WHO and western media not been so doughy eyed and loved up with the communist regime that tough questions were asked and investigative journalism was carried out properly. But no, just a love fest for all things socialist, and China certainly ticks that box.

 I wonder how many of the China cheerleaders have actually lived for a real amount of time in one of these nations? I guess none.

 

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Default on debt - then US credit rating falls off a cliff sparking rampant inflation and a deap recession https://www.bbc.com/news/business-24453400. This would effect the stock market and many TV posters pensions.

Confiscate any Chinese owned assets and bank accounts in the US  - unless the companies/individuals were breaking the law, this would be complety illegal and would have the added impact of other investors leaving the US in droves when they realise their money/assets aren't safe.

Deport all Chinese nationals back home - where do you start? What about those Chinese that are naturalised citizens? If it's Chinese parents, do the kids get deported? One parent Chinese but the other American?  

'Ban all trade and travel between US/China'- Although China exports is the region of $500 billion worth of goods to the US, this is still a small part of the nearly $5 trillion it exports in total. Banning all trade and travel would hurt the US more, as you would effectively be closing down two of the worlds largest powers to each other and in turn closing down all the US companies that rely on this trade (and who have a big presence in China). This again would result in mass unemployment and a deep recession would be all but gauranteed. https://chinapower.csis.org/trade-partner/

 

The idea that the US is so powerful that it could afford to do all these things and come out of it unharmed is a false concept perpetuated by Trump and the right wing media. Trump knows this (or should know this) so before you bring the whole world to it's knees, perhaps a slight bit of restraint might be the more prudent option.    

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The ink was barely dry and the plague came over.

 

I'm SO confused....

 

Originally, Trump's public statements included calling the CV a "hoax" by the media and Democrats...  Now it's a "plague."

 

Originally, Trump's public statements once the CV was well underway in China praised Xi and China for their handling of the CV... And now they failed to contain it and may force the U.S. to cut ties.

 

I really wish the guy would make up his mind!!!!  Ohhh, right, no MIND to make up!

 

Just more of the new, election season "Let's blame China" campaign" in an effort to deflect blame for the U.S.'s late and pathetic, "chaotic" CV response under Trump's (lack of) leadership.

 

China presumably is absolutely responsible for the origins of the virus and its original spread, and probably of concealing and delaying info on the virus. But they're not responsible for what happened and didn't happen after the fact in the U.S.  Trump is... heading for 100,000 dead and beyond.

Edited May 15, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[scorecard]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump cognitive disorder is rapidly manifesting. His public behavior recently is very disturbing with him losing touch with reality and his free wheeling hyperbole. He is a one man wrecking machine and a danger to his country and to the world. There is already a cold war between US and China before the pandemic and with this dangerous bravado by Trump will push it right off. Cutting ties will badly damage the America economy and will be grave for the world and force countries to choose side. As POTUS, he should be careful with his words and careful what he asked for. He represent the people; not himself.  

What's next? Perhaps he will ask his dear friend the Nth. Korea leader to join him against China?

[stevenl]

45 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

The China threads are always good for a chuckle. You have the Trump haters hating Trump and back slapping each other over it, and when you point out that they are doing it under a Communist flag, they backtrack, get indignant, and say they have problems with China too - Yet oddly enough they never talk about them. Just Trump. 

 

Every western nation needs to start taking their supply chains and national security alot more seriously. 

Hating Trump under a communist flag? Nonsensical statement.

 

And yes, let's talk Trump in a thread about Trump.

 

Agree, supply chains need to be looked at, as does the impact on national security.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

What's next? Perhaps he will ask his dear friend the Nth. Korea leader to join him against China?

I am more worry that Trump has the nuclear button and he always has the nuclear football wherever he goes. His mental disorder is such that he may do something total bizarre at any moment. 

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

It's just pathetic to see the numbers of posters who hate Trump to the point they support the Commie Xi. 

Remember who initialized this Wuhan Flu <deleted>, eh? 

 

I know what you mean. Really. Doesn't it just make your blood boil that guys like 45 talk out of both sides of his mouth, criticizing Xi (only to deflect from 45's abject failure to deal with CV-19), but he continues to manufacture his products in China, as does his hand-bag designer daughter. Oh, and those MAGA hats and the new MAGA "Dem Hoax Model" face masks, also made in China.

 

The US has never been in a weaker position in the world, at least since the end of WWI. 45's total lack of understanding of geopolitics is handing Asia to China for the next generation or two. 45's idiotic battles with long-term allies in Europe has given Putin a window into expanding Russian influence there, and diminishing US influence. After 9-11 Pres Bush got 80 countries to join the Coalition of the Willing to help the US take out al Qaeda's stronghold in Afghanistan. Because of worldwide utter contempt and mistrust of 45, if the US suffered another 9-11 today, it is unlikely a single nation would come to the US aid, particularly after 45 disparaged NATO. NATO's charter has Article 5, where nations pledge to come to the aid of another member in time of crisis. Article 5 has been invoked just once: after 9-11 to aid the US. That will not happen again so long as 45 sits in the WH.

 

China deserves blame for its early failure to be transparent and warn the world of the threat of CV-19. US intel, however, was aware of what was happening, and began to inform 45 as early as November 2019 of the threat and the possibility CV-19 would hit the US. By January the intel community was certain CV-19 would hit the US, but at that time 45 was still praising China and Xi for their "transparency", when 45 knew full well China was involved in a cover-up. 45 feared it would impact his re-election if measures were taken to protect the US as other nations were wisely doing, and 85,000 deaths later we see the effect of his self-serving incompetence.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Hating Trump under a communist flag? Nonsensical statement.

 

And yes, let's talk Trump in a thread about Trump.

 

Dude just because Trump is mentioned in the title does not mean that every single solitary political thread is about Trump. There is a whole body of text in the OP with a story and multiple players and context that you guys completely overlook. Because Trump. 

 

And you do, by your blind rage and refusal to look past Trump, allow yourself to overlook serious issues and play right into Chinas hands.

 

I know you guys dont like getting called out on it, its true. 

[Isaan sailor]

It’s a given.  All Trump bashers support Xi and his CCP—too funny!  Chinese communists and American liberals unite on Thai Visa!

[TopDeadSenter]

12 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Default on debt - then US credit rating falls off a cliff sparking rampant inflation and a deap recession https://www.bbc.com/news/business-24453400. This would effect the stock market and many TV posters pensions.

Confiscate any Chinese owned assets and bank accounts in the US  - unless the companies/individuals were breaking the law, this would be complety illegal and would have the added impact of other investors leaving the US in droves when they realise their money/assets aren't safe.

Deport all Chinese nationals back home - where do you start? What about those Chinese that are naturalised citizens? If it's Chinese parents, do the kids get deported? One parent Chinese but the other American?  

'Ban all trade and travel between US/China'- Although China exports is the region of $500 billion worth of goods to the US, this is still a small part of the nearly $5 trillion it exports in total. Banning all trade and travel would hurt the US more, as you would effectively be closing down two of the worlds largest powers to each other and in turn closing down all the US companies that rely on this trade (and who have a big presence in China). This again would result in mass unemployment and a deep recession would be all but gauranteed. https://chinapower.csis.org/trade-partner/

 

The idea that the US is so powerful that it could afford to do all these things and come out of it unharmed is a false concept perpetuated by Trump and the right wing media. Trump knows this (or should know this) so before you bring the whole world to it's knees, perhaps a slight bit of restraint might be the more prudent option.    

 

 

 

Well that is the defeatist stance, thank you for illustrating it so well. Another take on the situation would be for America to finally enter discussions from a position of strength. When China's pips are squeaking they will be sitting eagerly at the table, gagging for some crumbs from Donald's plate. That is where we want them. Yes, it would be easy to continue 44's route of just appeasing every other nation at our own expense. That is the cowards way out. Kick the can down the road.

 I want to see the USA and freedom triumph in this battle, others want to see a totalitarian regime win, and do all they can to wreck the USA to try proving their point.  

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, Tagged said:

I would say the majority of Trump fans, is dangerous to themselves, and they still do not know how much damage they do to their country and the world. Hillary was or is a crook, and Obama should be investigated, go and figure ????

I have figured this out. Most of Trump's associates have been indicted and in jail. Trump and family have so many legal battles that I find hard to keep track. Please tell what Hillary and Obama were or are being investigated for. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Had the WHO and western media not been so doughy eyed and loved up with the communist regime that tough questions were asked and investigative journalism was carried out properly. But no, just a love fest for all things socialist, and China certainly ticks that box.

 

Delusional!!!

 

The U.S. media I read, long before Trump converted from being a CV China lover to a CV China hater, was reporting on Chinese repression, Chinese likely undercounting CV deaths and illness, Chinese muzzling internal reporting on CV, Chinese silencing their own doctors who tried to warn about the CV, China expelling MSM U.S. journalists, etc etc etc...

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Well that is the defeatist stance, thank you for illustrating it so well. Another take on the situation would be for America to finally enter discussions from a position of strength. When China's pips are squeaking they will be sitting eagerly at the table, gagging for some crumbs from Donald's plate. That is where we want them. Yes, it would be easy to continue 44's route of just appeasing every other nation at our own expense. That is the cowards way out. Kick the can down the road.

 I want to see the USA and freedom triumph in this battle, others want to see a totalitarian regime win, and do all they can to wreck the USA to try proving their point.  

US is not in a position of strength.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I have figured this out. Most of Trump's associates have been indicted and in jail. Trump and family have so many legal battles that I find hard to keep track. Please tell what Hillary and Obama were or are being investigated for. 

You clearly misunderstood the post you replied to.

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

2 hours ago, mrfill said:

About time Trump banned the sale of Chinese made iphones, computer motherboards, memory and components.

Trump has Huawei and ZTE phones banned, as these companies are partially owned by the Chinese govt, and thus he claims their stuff to all be spying on us.

 

Yet he seems to forget they also make iPhones, and 99% of the junk in Walmart, which could easily be doing the same.

[scorecard]

11 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Dude just because Trump is mentioned in the title does not mean that every single solitary political thread is about Trump. There is a whole body of text in the OP with a story and multiple players and context that you guys completely overlook. Because Trump. 

 

And you do, by your blind rage and refusal to look past Trump, allow yourself to overlook serious issues and play right into Chinas hands.

 

I know you guys dont like getting called out on it, its true. 

"Dude just because Trump is mentioned in the title does not mean that every single solitary political thread is about Trump. "

 

Really, seems to me that's the way he would want it.