UK says PM's adviser did not break lockdown rules with 400 km drive

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No idea - other than he'll be 12 years old in August. So go on tell us?

I was just wondering why Evadgib was bringing him into the picture. 

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Ignored? He is a lowly opposition MP and yet he as all over the media few weeks back. Cummings is a far bigger scalp and is the architect of the government's catastrophic COVID failure. Kinnock isn't responsible for the UK having the worst COVID death rate in Europe. 

 

Yes, and of course he's a socialist, and son of socialist grandees. And laws and rules don't apply to them, do they?

 

So you think that Cummings is totally to blame for the UK's death rate? 

 

Regardless of the UK government's performance, and that's something they will be accountable to the electorate for, it's not an excuse to apply hypocrisy, and dual standards, based on political opinion. Kinnock is an MP, son of senior politicians and clearly being groomed for higher things. There is no excuse for the media deliberately ignoring Kinnock's law breaking. 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Family is for life

(Think about it)

if one has one which is not my case thus should never generalize any comment

[jimmyswale]

In an article earlier this year, Cummings said the European Research Group, of which around 80 Tory MPs are members, “should be treated like a metastasising tumour and excised from the UK body politic”. Some are getting the knives well and truly sharpened now. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/european-research-group

Edited May 24, 2020 by jimmyswale

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

The thing all these fanboys either don't realise or choose to ignore is that DC is laughing at them. These little people who have been sticking to the rules, even as their closest loved ones are dying alone just down the road, or being laid to rest with barely a handful of mourners- the little people are accepting the harsh restrictions the government imposed. But not DC - he can do as he chooses and his fanboys cheer him on! Kim Jong Un must be looking on with amazement. 

Keeping the Rhubarb brigade at bay is no indication of being a fan RR; "Innocent until outed by left wing media" an' all that...

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes, and of course he's a socialist, and son of socialist grandees. And laws and rules don't apply to them, do they?

 

So you think that Cummings is totally to blame for the UK's death rate? 

 

Regardless of the UK government's performance, and that's something they will be accountable to the electorate for, it's not an excuse to apply hypocrisy, and dual standards, based on political opinion. Kinnock is an MP, son of senior politicians and clearly being groomed for higher things. There is no excuse for the media deliberately ignoring Kinnock's law breaking. 

I am not responsible for enforcing the rules - I am merely pointing out that (1) you were incorrect when you said Kinnock's behaviour wasn't covered by the media, and (2) that it makes sense that a man who has been instrumental in designing the UK response to COVID would be headline news when he repeatedly flouted the rules he helped design. 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Keeping the Rhubarb brigade at bay is no indication of being a fan RR; "Innocent until outed by left wing media" an' all that...

So until Guido Fawkes reports it, your fingers will be in your ears?

[david555]

Steve Baker asking for Cummings resign on video

 

https://youtu.be/7XlgEif5QtA

 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by david555

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if one has one which is not my case thus should never generalize any comment

It hasn't stopped you (& I don't for one second believe you don't have any blood relatives constituting 'family' as per my point)

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, jimmyswale said:

Steve Baker writing that Cummings must go.

 

Enough is enough. I and others saved him once before when he was driving Vote Leave to implosion. Not today. Dominic Cummings must go before he does any more harm to the UK, the Government, the Prime Minister, our institutions or the Conservative Party.

Time is up. It is time for Dom to resign so Boris can govern within the conventions and norms which will see us through. It is time to get competing expert advice, decent software and better decisions, end the lockdown and start a long, hard recovery.

 

 

https://thecritic.co.uk/boris-must-take-back-control/

 

4 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

In an article earlier this year, Cummings said the European Research Group, of which around 80 Tory MPs are members, “should be treated like a metastasising tumour and excised from the UK body politic”. Some are getting the knives well and truly sharpened now. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/european-research-group

The Critic' is edited by Christopher Montgomery, a strategist with the European Research Group of Tory MPs and backed by Conservative and Brexit Party millionaire donor Jeremy Hosking is out at the end of next month.

[jimmyswale]

7 Tory MPs now they are getting an unprecedented amount of emails from constituents horrified at the rank hypocrisy of it all. 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

I was just wondering why Evadgib was bringing him into the picture. 

 

Patel's son?

 

Or Abbot's. 

 

If the latter, Abbot was embarrassed when asked to justify his private schooling when she speaks out against private education. Her son then got himself arrested, I believe also charged for assaulting officers and there was some issue that if Labour had won, his mum would've likely been Home Secretary and might have swept it all under the carpet. He pleaded guilty as was due to be sentenced early April. He has been charged in court before with serious offense. All very strange has he is a Cambridge graduate and was working as a diplomat. Interesting reading.

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

It hasn't stopped you (& I don't for one second believe you don't have any blood relatives constituting 'family' as per my point)

I don't have to clarify anything but let's give it a last try.... parents dead, no siblings, no kids, no cat and not dog, what else do you need to understand that I don't give a hoot about your opinion

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not responsible for enforcing the rules - I am merely pointing out that (1) you were incorrect when you said Kinnock's behaviour wasn't covered by the media, and (2) that it makes sense that a man who has been instrumental in designing the UK response to COVID would be headline news when he repeatedly flouted the rules he helped design. 

 

I said the media haven't been calling for Kinnock to resign, nor have they been hounding him. And he's an elected MP.

 

AFAIK, Cummings went on one trip to County Durham. How many times was this repeated or what other trips did he make?

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

So until Guido Fawkes reports it, your fingers will be in your ears?

Only if set to bagpipes.

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

7 Tory MPs now they are getting an unprecedented amount of emails from constituents horrified at the rank hypocrisy of it all. 

How did they fare when it was Priti Patel?

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I was just wondering why Evadgib was bringing him into the picture. 

You managed that without any help, pal????

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Patel's son?

 

Or Abbot's. 

 

If the latter, Abbot was embarrassed when asked to justify his private schooling when she speaks out against private education. Her son then got himself arrested, I believe also charged for assaulting officers and there was some issue that if Labour had won, his mum would've likely been Home Secretary and might have swept it all under the carpet. He pleaded guilty as was due to be sentenced early April. He has been charged in court before with serious offense. All very strange has he is a Cambridge graduate and was working as a diplomat. Interesting reading.

Yeah, I was being facetious, sorry. Patel showed similar innumeracy recently so abacus could easily apply to her also. 

 

Fully off topic, but I am not sure that third party projections of what Abbott may or may not have done in a specific eventuality can correctly be called an 'issue'. 

[650yorkie]

Does this mean those fined for breaking the lockdown get their money back and can sue for harassment ????

[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I said the media haven't been calling for Kinnock to resign, nor have they been hounding him. And he's an elected MP.

 

AFAIK, Cummings went on one trip to County Durham. How many times was this repeated or what other trips did he make?

A second trip to Durham and a birthday day out to visit a castle with his wife according to some.

[Letseng]

21 hours ago, vogie said:

Shock, horror and go to the foot of our stairs, what father would not want to be with his child whilst his mother was ill. Well done Dom for being a decent human being. All your fiercist critics on here would have done exactly the same, infact they wouldn't be much of a father if they didn't. But hey let's make it political and crucify the guy for being decent.

No, he wasn't decent. He did what  thousands of others were told not to do. Plus close family lives close to him. No  reason to travel all this distance.

[david555]

3 minutes ago, 650yorkie said:

Does this mean those fined for breaking the lockdown get their money back and can sue for harassment ????

Is your Family name Cummings ? You might stand a chance …., if not so …..sorry the law is for all common people the same ????

 

 

[david555]

At 11 Clock U.K.time

[batata]

16 hours ago, evadgib said:

What admission? He says he acted 'Reasonably and legally' and as yet i've seen nothing concrete to suggest otherwise.

because he said so we have to believe it, always 2 versions to a fact

[vinny41]

26 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

7 Tory MPs now they are getting an unprecedented amount of emails from constituents horrified at the rank hypocrisy of it all. 

You have to question is there another reason behind why  European Research Group are out for cummings head was cummings pushing Boris for a Brexit extension

[batata]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

It could be argued that leaving the house to do what is right towards his family and someone else leaving his house to get his leg over are two very different reasons, how could anyone not see a difference there?

 

be so kind to explain how you would deal with it, let's pretend half of the UK citizens had the same or a similar urgency and drove 400+ miles cross country, potentially meeting / infecting 1,000's or 100,000's  people, that would justify doing the right thing for the family ?? let's hope none of the potentially infected were your relatives

[evadgib]

35 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I don't have to clarify anything but let's give it a last try.... parents dead, no siblings, no kids, no cat and not dog, what else do you need to understand that I don't give a hoot about your opinion

the last bit was never in doubt & I couldn't help noticing you've mentioned having in laws (& presumably a wife/spouse) in another thread.

Don't bother replying; I'm not that interested other than to expose the hypocrisy.

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[batata]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

One was an adulterer whose married lover broke the rules, and probably lied to her husband, to visit him for sex. Not exactly enhancing his credibility! And he and his lover have probably got some other problems now too!

 

The other visited her second home, twice, without any justifiable reason, other than she wanted to. And she had to be pushed.

 

Neither have the "balls" you seem to applaud. Although the former was certainly using his!

 

 

and that's your excuse

[david555]

Even From The Tory graph bible …. he is done .... R.I.P. Cummings 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-dominic-cummings-cases-deaths/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-dominic-cummings-cases-deaths/

Boris Johnson is facing a revolt among Tory MPs over his decision not to sack Dominic Cummings, as a growing number of backbenchers call for him to go.
Prominent member of the 1922 Committee Steve Baker warned that Boris Johnson’s advisor was “burning through Boris's political capital at a rate that we just can ill afford in the midst of this crisis”.
Mr Cummings is under renewed fire after reports surfaced that the 48-year-old made a second trip to County Durham, despite social restrictions.

[jimmyswale]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You have to question is there another reason behind why  European Research Group are out for cummings head was cummings pushing Boris for a Brexit extension

I've never heard that - most probably Cumming's never holds back and has made a load of enemies along the way. For people like Baker it is the political and personal.