Night of violence across America leaves streets scarred, outrage simmering

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, yourauntbob said:

The shame is that CNN and the normal suspects are able to turn this into a racial thing instead of what it is.  Government agents following government directives created by government bureaucrats to quash peoples freedoms.  

 

where were all these protesters when Duncan Socrates Lemp was shot by police in his home.......... WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING.

 

Dont get me wrong, what happened to Floyd is completely unacceptable and its good to see people waking up.  I just wish people could come together and realize that its not a black/white issue.  Its not a blue team vs red team issue.  This is government tyranny vs the people issue

 

But I thought it was the government and the government alone that protects us from things like global warming, the virus, income inequality and evil corporations???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

39 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Police do not come from the Moon, they come from you and me, and as such they are subjects  the same perceptual constructs that influence reactions.   There is  screening  to adjust for that, but it is inevitable that sooner or later such screening will fail and an unsuitable individual  will become a cop. or that a good cope will make a dad decision,  or crack under the strain.

IMO these riots have not served to change perceptions for the better. Peaceful protest would have brought the required justice and improve relations. 

Politicians and community organizers hold their fair share of blame over this also.  

 

The 'Black Lives Matter' campaign was peaceful protest and while it did achieve a change in police recordings to include the race of people the police killed (previously not recorded), it achieved little else, and I remind you was frequently met with hostility from the rightwing. 

 

Regardless of where the police come from, they are agents of the state, they wield state powers and their abuse of those powers is not simply individual officers, it is systematic. 

 

The race of people who overwhelmingly suffer police abuse react violently - the only surprise is they don't react violently more often. 

 

If you have a problem with that, have a chat with a gun rights activist and get them to explain the argument for owning guns as a protection against an abusive Government. 

 

[Crazy Alex]

44 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Police do not come from the Moon, they come from you and me, and as such they are subjects  the same perceptual constructs that influence reactions.   There is  screening  to adjust for that, but it is inevitable that sooner or later such screening will fail and an unsuitable individual  will become a cop. or that a good cope will make a dad decision,  or crack under the strain.

IMO these riots have not served to change perceptions for the better. Peaceful protest would have brought the required justice and improve relations. 

Politicians and community organizers hold their fair share of blame over this also. 

I think a huge part of the problem is that good cops have traits very similar to good thugs. It's true. So how do you screen and get good cops and not have them act like criminal thugs on occasion? Difficult challenge. The best we can do is vigorously prosecute when they step out of line.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

But I thought it was the government and the government alone that protects us from things like global warming, the virus, income inequality and evil corporations???? 

Not this Government it isn't.

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps because she was the only white Australian murdered by a US cops in a long time. 

 

Not so Black American victims of police murders. 

 

Have any numbers on officers killed by blacks in the past decade? It's more than a few. I did a short Google search and it seems that 135 officers killed last year. 1,627 in the past decade. 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I'm talking to you right now as I see a country on fire....and a President that can do nothing to stop it accept threaten people with big dogs and ominus weapons

 

I remember the president saying he would take charge and the governors saying it was their show to run. So now you want it the other way?

[metisdead]

Off topic bickering posts about statistics have been removed.

 

Other troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

 

A post using a video from an unapproved/questionable source has been removed. 

[Starmocihc]

11 hours ago, H1w4yR1da said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373657/Shocking-moment-Dallas-rioters-hurl-ROCKS-store-owner-tried-defend-shop-sword.html

That should've been treated as a hate crime, they were calling every homosexual slur in the book while they assaulted him, he's a gay man. But those types of rules dont apply to the perpetual victims. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Starmocihc

[Dumbastheycome]

31 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I think a huge part of the problem is that good cops have traits very similar to good thugs. It's true. So how do you screen and get good cops and not have them act like criminal thugs on occasion? Difficult challenge. The best we can do is vigorously prosecute when they step out of line.

So if  for the moment it were to be accepted  that good  cops have similar traits  to  good thugs as a truth then  that would need to acknowledge the  same truth  that if screening as a prerequisite to  get  good cops  is done  by  thug  cops who are already in the system and controlling it then what is being witnessed  is  the horrible revelation  of  that.

I think the same  failure  has  occurred with  the current  Potus.

[metisdead]

Some more troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Funny enough I just saw a new Nike ad after that post supporting the "protestors". I am buying some NKE stock now. Nike is going to make a killing off of helping the black community justify this mayhem. They be woke.

The result of a peaceful protest turning into loot fest in the state of Washington

https://www.khq.com/top_video/watch-nike-store-looted-in-downtown-spokane/video_8cfc8980-a3c3-11ea-a925-6b8b9c0c2f9c.html

 

KHQ Q6, NBC affiliate 

 

 

 

[lannarebirth]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

But I thought it was the government and the government alone that protects us from things like global warming, the virus, income inequality and evil corporations???? 

Someone's gonna have a lot of 'splaing to do if there isn't a huge spike in CV 19 cases in the next week or so.

[mike787]

Only COVID can stop this.  

[sirineou]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The 'Black Lives Matter' campaign was peaceful protest and while it did achieve a change in police recordings to include the race of people the police killed (previously not recorded), it achieved little else, and I remind you was frequently met with hostility from the rightwing. 

 

Regardless of where the police come from, they are agents of the state, they wield state powers and their abuse of those powers is not simply individual officers, it is systematic. 

 

The race of people who overwhelmingly suffer police abuse react violently - the only surprise is they don't react violently more often. 

 

If you have a problem with that, have a chat with a gun rights activist and get them to explain the argument for owning guns as a protection against an abusive Government. 

 

Obviously there will be more incidence where crime is higher. A lot of progress has being achieved in the US and in the world without looting, why is it necessary now? 

 

39 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I think a huge part of the problem is that good cops have traits very similar to good thugs. It's true. So how do you screen and get good cops and not have them act like criminal thugs on occasion? Difficult challenge. The best we can do is vigorously prosecute when they step out of line.

I understand what you are saying, It takes a particular personality to be  a cop and consequently you would have a higher percentage of aggressive personalities. An Important thing to do is to prosecute those who step over the line, but it is not the best we can do, we can do better. We can train better, and supervise better. but there is also the other side of the equation. 

The community could take more responsibility for it's self and  self police, it could make a certain kind of behavior unexceptionable. People take their cues from the ones around them.In the police force and in the community.  

[RoadWarrior371]

5 minutes ago, mike787 said:

Only COVID can stop this.  

We can only hope.  That, or the Sig 716.  ????

[riclag]

3 hours ago, samran said:

Yes it is clear that rebellion against oppressive government is only allowed if you are wearing a MAGA hat and waving your constitutionally allowed weapons. 
 

Now tell me, when this happens, what will be the difference? Presumably those said weapons will be causing a bit of death and destruction - or will it somehow be different and they will just be there for show?
 

Should these people be instead waving around and shooting their weapons? Will that make it better if they used the 2A‘ers playbook? 

The right and some others,  just recently had a protest on a lock down ,its financially ruining them! Some on the right were  carrying firearms (legal to carry in that state) The result...

 Recently ,my country just experienced watching a sick serial abuser stuff out the life of a man while his fellow officers helped.

Subsequently, many protests took place around the country and you know the rest! 

Whats the difference between the two! The difference was looting ,mayhem,destruction of property, assaults ,resulting in arrests and many many injuries. I don't even know if people died as a result of these riots.

Have you ever heard of martin luther king! He was against violence and rioting to achieve recognition of injustices 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by riclag

[daveAustin]

S state of affairs all round, and at the wrong time. US cops do tend to be OTT (product of environment I guess) and that guy was out of order, but a certain element just need the excuse to riot. The black-on-black deaths and cops killing whites are also rarely mentioned. One thing's for sure, China will be be welcoming this.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If cops would do their job without unnecessary violence and if they would do it independent of the skin color that would help a lot. They choose to be cops and uphold the laws. They should do it themselves - or look for another job.

Simple answer. Recruit people that prefer to work like you want. However, I think that sort of person is unlikely to want to do a job where they can be killed merely for wearing a police uniform.

What is likely, IMO, if the current attitude towards the cops continues, the police union will call the cops out on strike so all those that don't like cops can see what happens when they are not doing their job. Those complaining will soon find they have made a "mistake".

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

The community could take more responsibility for it's self and  self police, it could make a certain kind of behavior unexceptionable.

Jokin' right?

People now are too scared to do anything because if they do they might be charged with a crime themselves, and in any case, IMO, people are so obsessed with their phone they don't care much about what happens around them.

 

Personally, I wouldn't do anything because the bad guys are bigger, stronger and more aggressive than myself, and I don't want to be beaten up for getting involved.

[baansgr]

The policeman and colleagues have been dismissed and he was charged with murder within a few days....what more do the rioters want

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, baansgr said:

The policeman and colleagues have been dismissed and he was charged with murder within a few days....what more do the rioters want

He was just an excuse. When it's a white person killed by cops in the US the world doesn't protest.

Genuine protestors don't burn buildings and loot stores.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, jimmyswale said:

Trump's advisers, panicked.

You wish!

[EVENKEEL]

The medical examiner's preliminary report said Floyd had "other significant conditions," including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, a fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use. 

 

 

[Slip]

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

S state of affairs all round, and at the wrong time. US cops do tend to be OTT (product of environment I guess) and that guy was out of order, but a certain element just need the excuse to riot. The black-on-black deaths and cops killing whites are also rarely mentioned. One thing's for sure, China will be be welcoming this.

 

and the shift from Eurasia to Eastasia has been seamlessly accomplished.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Slip
seamlessly

[MaxYakov]

President Trump just made a national speech. He promised he would do what it takes, US military and all to get the unlawfulness stopped. The rule of law seemed to me the primary focus of his speech. He is going to be accused of taking dictatorial action. If that's what it takes, that's what it takes, IMHO.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by MaxYakov

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

President Trump just made a national speech. He promised he would do what it takes, US military and all to get the unlawfulness stopped. The rule of law seemed to me the primary focus of his speech. He is going to be accused of taking dictatorial action. If that's what it takes, that's what it takes, IMHO.

 

 

 

 

 

You should read up what the ‘rule of law’ has to say about deploying the Military against US citizens.

 

Trump will do nothing other than play hide and tweet.

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

So Trump is going to use the military against the protesters, smart move lol. That's one way of starting a war in your own country.

[EVENKEEL]

19 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

So, you didn't watch it huh?  That's cool.

I watched part of it, I can laugh at it. But it doesn't belong here, bad timing.

[simple1]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should read up what the ‘rule of law’ has to say about deploying the Military against US citizens.

 

Trump will do nothing other than play hide and tweet.

 

 

I watched some news video and Military Police were deployed in the WH grounds prior to trump's speech. trump seems to only know about the use of force, don't hear from him of any form of carrot and stick approach to reduce the current society conflict. Some info for you and others...

 

the president could invoke the Insurrection Act to deploy active-duty troops without a request from a governor. Those troops would be allowed to conduct law enforcement missions. To invoke the act, Trump would first have to issue a proclamation to “immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time,” according to the law.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-considering-move-invoke-insurrection-act-n1221326