Bad News from Cambodia

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, uhuh said:

No batch tests.

Price set by the government, starting from July 1st it will be 39 euro (now its still 59 euro).

Private prices used to be anywhere between 150 and 300 euro, that's past. 

That is likely a subsidized cost.

 

$100 is not high for a non subsidized test.

[katatonic]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:56 AM, 4737 Carlin said:

Have you ever actually been to Cambodia ? Nearly everything is more expensive than Thailand.

Certainly wasn't whenever I went. Been a while but can't have changed that much.

[PatchinExPat]

You know , when half the conversations on a topic are related

to the price of flesh, (hookers) you aren't talking to the most

reliable stable people around.

I am a foreigner living in the east Asia, Thailand.

If the price of hookers and alcohol controlled my

 decisions about anything

I would have to reevaluate my reasons for breathing.

[VBF]

21 hours ago, Chivas said:

This is the end of all tourism in Asia for the forseeable future

You wait till Thailand lists its huge onerous requirements for inbound travellers and it will make Cambodia took like an attractive proposition.....

Don't sweat it..... Whatever rules they make will be changed the following week anyway, so we'll all have something else to bitch / worry about! ????

Edited June 14, 2020 by VBF
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[Catkiwi]

9 hours ago, Chivas said:

lol fella I bet you any amount of cases of beers that we're in serious restrictions for at least 2 years and probably longer. Nothing is remotely going to be like 2019 for a long long time

Sorry brother I don't see it that way and seriously hope that in this case you are wrong.... My best guess is another 6 months and it will all be in full swing again. Let's compare notes again just before Christmas, ok? Oh and 2 cases will be fine thanks...

[Catkiwi]

13 hours ago, mike787 said:

YEP!  We are ALL screwed no matter how you look at it...this Covid pandemic will cost you your life, or a lot of cash and mass inconvenience....this is going to be a very long fight as Covid is known to mutate as well.   Better make plans for the next several years. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/health/coronavirus-mutations-scripps-gene/index.html

 

What a depressing, dismal, gormless <deleted> you are. For fark sake have a little enthusiasm , optimism and stop trying to drag everyone else down to your level of defeat!! Get back up, start running and fighting for what is ours, a free world with massages, beer, BJ's and general debourtuary on tap!!!

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, PatchinExPat said:

If the price of hookers and alcohol controlled my

 decisions about anything

I would have to reevaluate my reasons for breathing.

Beer and hookers are about the only reasons I can think of for breathing.

I can't think of one thing left to do, that I haven't already done loads of times.

Maybe you could help me out with a few more suggestions to keep going after 65?

[Catkiwi]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Beer and hookers are about the only reasons I can think of for breathing.

I can't think of one thing left to do, that I haven't already done loads of times.

Maybe you could help me out with a few more suggestions to keep going after 65?

Nah, just keep doing what you are doing Mate..it's all good!!

 

[DrJack54]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Beer and hookers are about the only reasons I can think of for breathing.

I can't think of one thing left to do, that I haven't already done loads of times.

Maybe you could help me out with a few more suggestions to keep going after 65?

Do you ever get bored with your own drivel.

Reminds me of when I was 16.

Nothing wrong with bit of a stir but your posts are rubbish. Thinking thread was about entering Cambodia for perhaps border bounce for folk in Thailand asking about post amnesty. 

Dill

[Catkiwi]

4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Do you ever get bored with your own drivel.

Reminds me of when I was 16.

Nothing wrong with bit of a stir but your posts are rubbish. Thinking thread was about entering Cambodia for perhaps border bounce for folk in Thailand asking about post amnesty. 

Dill

That's a bit harsh.., "all your posts are rubbish"? Probability of what you were thinking when you were 16 is that you are a wan#er. Your comment is nasty and uncalled for. Do not presume to be a superior being within a group of people that you actually know very little about. 

Apart from that very polite reaction, by my standards, you have posted some of the most vile , ignorant, unsubstansiated comments that this forum has ever witnessed, So, get of you farking high horse and fark off back to where you crawled out from!!!

[Catkiwi]

3 hours ago, katatonic said:

Certainly wasn't whenever I went. Been a while but can't have changed that much.

I've never been. How is it? 

[uhuh]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

That is likely a subsidized cost.

 

$100 is not high for a non subsidized test.

It's tax-subsidized, but the subsidies amount to less than 10%

 

If a producer of tests is not happy with 39 euro nobody forces him to sell his product at this price. He can try to sell his tests for more,  outside of the social insurance system. Social insurance only pays him 39 euro.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by uhuh

[DrJack54]

15 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

That's a bit harsh.., "all your posts are rubbish"?

The guy I quoted is across all forums about ....hookers and how much he pays for a <deleted>. Is extremely boring. 

Sounds your similar.

[drbeach]

On 6/12/2020 at 3:49 PM, Kelsall said:

Looks like that Phnom Penh to Chiang Mai "no quarantine" budget flight ain't gonna happen. LOL

 

 

It will happen, but not anytime soon.

[drbeach]

4 hours ago, katatonic said:

Certainly wasn't whenever I went. Been a while but can't have changed that much.

He's right, except for beer. That's one thing that's definitely cheaper in Cambodia.

[DaRoadrunner]

On 6/12/2020 at 4:23 PM, BritManToo said:

I agree, it's the end of all tourism as nobody will want to travel for a 14 day quarantine.

I can't imagine any businessmen doing it either.

It's not the end. They will soon realise that nobody will go there and drop the stupid idea.

 

Expect Thailand to get similarly greedy too before we're done.

 

There will also be a period where we can leave but cannot get back in.

 

In the end, they will open up, business as usual, as they want the tourist's money.

Edited June 14, 2020 by DaRoadrunner

[drbeach]

1 hour ago, Catkiwi said:

Sorry brother I don't see it that way and seriously hope that in this case you are wrong.... My best guess is another 6 months and it will all be in full swing again. Let's compare notes again just before Christmas, ok? Oh and 2 cases will be fine thanks...

You're a huge optimist. I used to be like you, but now I think this is the "new normal", permanent future of air travel:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2020/05/10/future-air-travel-four-hour-process-immunity-passes/

 

"back to normal" may never happen again. I foresee mandatory travel vaccines, which will include more than just a covid shot and/or an immunity passport and everything else mentioned in that article.

 

Of course I hope both the article, and I, am wrong. But right now an easy end in sight to this madness seems further away than ever.

[drbeach]

Just now, DaRoadrunner said:

It's not the end. They will soon realise that nobody will go there and drop the stupid idea.

 

Expect Thailand to get similarly greedy too before we're done.

 

There will also be a period where we can leave but cannot get back in.

Maybe that's the whole idea - a polite way of persuading people not to come. Same as those tour requirements to bring in a foreign vehicle to Thailand, Myanmar, China, Vietnam and other countries. A polite way of saying: we don't want you to drive your vehicle in our country, but if you must, we'll make it so expensive and complicated that it will deter all but the most determined.

[Chivas]

1 hour ago, Catkiwi said:

Sorry brother I don't see it that way and seriously hope that in this case you are wrong.... My best guess is another 6 months and it will all be in full swing again. Let's compare notes again just before Christmas, ok? Oh and 2 cases will be fine thanks...

Fella you can make it it 50 cases or 500 if you want if you think all is back to normal in 6 months !

Not even remotely close !

Chap I'll give you some assistance. Friday the Sabai group of Hotels put back again any idea of reopening until January 2021. We'll be very lucky if by November of 2022 that entry requirements are back to what they were in 2019....restrictions and requirements will last years and rightfully so

[drbeach]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:50 PM, Catkiwi said:

Not entirely correct. We have sent a heap of people to Vietnam and another crew are heading to South Korea tomorrow. There has been a lot of red tape to get through from Thai and foreign embassies but it has been possible. There have been assurances that re entry for Thai and foreign staff is possible. Understandably probably not relevent to individual travelers with no company support. Just clarifying some of the facts. Cheers!

Another "crew" of what? Obviously not tourists. Sounds like you're talking about oil and gas workers, which is the job about half of all expats in Thailand who aren't English teachers are in.

 

Sheryl was referencing tourists. Thailand is allowing work permit holders back in, while Vietnam is kind of allowing the same, with some effort required. If that's what you were referring to, then it's clear.

[drbeach]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:10 PM, Chivas said:

This is the end of all tourism in Asia for the forseeable future

You wait till Thailand lists its huge onerous requirements for inbound travellers and it will make Cambodia took like an attractive proposition.....

Speculation again on your part, with a thinly veiled anti-Thai sentiment to it. How do you know Thailand's entry requirements are likely to be stricter than Cambodia's? You don't. You're inventing things out of thin air. BTW the previous short lived requirements, enacted in late March, were about the same in both countries, except that Thailand wanted a US$100000 policy and Cambodia "only" a US$50000 one.

[drbeach]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:26 PM, andre47 said:

I don't think so. They will allow the Chinese to come without quarantine. They run the factories. Cambodia is already a Chinese province. 

Cambodia IS a Chinese province, but that doesn't mean they'll be exempt from quarantines. Total <deleted>. If I know anything about China, it's that they LOVE controlling their citizens. One Chinese city has already said it will make tracking apps a permanent feature. Prior to corona, China was the only country in the world, that, since 2003 was conducting thermal screening at all international airports and border checkpoints.

Post corona, it's going to get downright Orwellian. Cambodia will apply the same restrictions on Chinese as on anyone else.

 

Already many garment factories there have gone bust.

 

Even in Laos, basically a Chinese colony, the government quickly closed it's border with China early in the pandemic. It also sent home Chinese nationals who were living and working up at the King Romans casino in the Golden Triangle. Wasn't expecting that to happen, but with the current crisis every government in the world has decided to become insular.

[drbeach]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:37 AM, Scouse123 said:

 

And you get that information from where?

 

Cambodia is far more in need of tourism dollars than Thailand, which has a far bigger economy.

That's right. A recent Newsweek article showed that nearly 32% of Cambodia's GDP came from tourism, but around 21% in Thailand's case (indirect sources included).

[DaRoadrunner]

9 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Speculation again on your part, with a thinly veiled anti-Thai sentiment to it. How do you know Thailand's entry requirements are likely to be stricter than Cambodia's? You don't. You're inventing things out of thin air. BTW the previous short lived requirements, enacted in late March, were about the same in both countries, except that Thailand wanted a US$100000 policy and Cambodia "only" a US$50000 one.

I bet not one person complied.

 

5 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Post corona, it's going to get downright Orwellian. Cambodia will apply the same restrictions on Chinese as on anyone else.

 

Already many garment factories there have gone bust.

They will attempt to get Orwellian but it won't work. Take your one example, garment factories will go bust. My own example.... tourist income will dry up.

 

Nope, they will have to open up. The question is WHEN?

Edited June 14, 2020 by DaRoadrunner

[drbeach]

On 6/12/2020 at 4:54 PM, PerkinsCuthbert said:

I'm afraid it would have to be. Imagine the queues backing up if the IO had to flick through each passport to check each arrival, claiming to have come from a CV-19 free country where he/she has spent the previous 14 days.

And yet that's what IOs have been doing all along - flicking through passports to check travel history. Happens on almost every trip I make into Thailand and several neighboring countries. No wonder immigration processes are so lengthy...because each officer spends like a good couple of mins going through your passport.

[drbeach]

4 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

I bet not one person complied.

 

They will attempt to get Orwellian but it won't work. Take your one example, garment factories will go bust. My own example.... tourist income will dry up.

 

Nope, they will have to open up. The question is WHEN?

Yes there is one person I have spoken to on Facebook who has complied - a western guy who lives in Pattaya. He arrived in Cambodia a few days before the current restrictions entered into force. He had the required insurance and covid certificate. He had arrived from Japan, which he reportedly found "too boring" and traveled to Cambodia, in order to get closer to his home in Thailand. He anticipates the land borders opening soon. I suspect he'll be waiting in Cambodia for a while. No idea how he got his visa though, if tourist visas aren't being issued.

 

Many garment factories already HAVE gone bust. Just read the news; I have. I know what's going on throughout the region as I don't spend all my time just on Thai Visa, but also Cambodian Expats Online, Khmer Times, Phnom Penh Post, Myanmar Times, Irrawaddy, E Vn Express and countless other regional media.

 

I hope they will open up again soon BUT I fear that governments around the world, following the UN playbook will attempt to introduce stringent travel requirements making travel forever change, compared to what it was like until mid-March 2020.

 

Will completely unrestricted travel with just a passport and visa (if required), no covid test, no mask, no vaccine and no other Orwellian requirements return? God I hope so. But my gut is telling me it won't. And for the record, I hope you're right, but right now I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel, other than a removal of quarantine restrictions.

[Scouse123]

Thailand is already right now in discussions with countries that they have bilateral agreements with, so straight away you have Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam all in the frame with very low rates of the virus.

 

These, in my view, will be the first doors to open. They are talking silly at the moment about medical travellers, business travellers etc.Those kind of travellers will be thin on the ground but you have to let them go through the motions first.Them type of traveller will not kick start any real levels of income.

 

They are however, talking about NO 14 day quarantine for travel between these countries in their ' travel bubbles '

 

They will eventually adopt western policy and live alongside the virus.

 

Sure, social distancing, masks, temperature checks, insurances, may well become the norm BUT they will open and soon as they just cannot afford not to.

 

Economics will have to win in the end. They know that they are risking civil disorder and disobedience and big spikes in both violent and non violent crimes if this continues much longer and they cannot keep sticking the begging bowl out to the West, as they also are in dire straits.

 

The silly $3000 deposit in Cambodia and quarantine etc will be dropped soon, of that I am sure, or nobody will go there.

[JTXR]

It seems to be taking a while to sink in.  If you're European or American and you like being in Thailand, you had better hope that you don't have to leave the country for any reason.  For quite some time it's going to be very difficult for anyone from those countries to get back in (diplomats and work permit holders perhaps excepted).  Just what "quite some time" is, no one can know.  Folks make predictions, but they're just guesses.

[balo]

This is just very temporary, in a few months it will get back to normal. Cambodia need tourism from any countries, including China. 99% of the travelers will not pay a $3k deposit. Forget it.  

[ubonjoe]

This topic has certainly run its course since is mostly bickering and baiting now.And It is also in the incorrect form.

If you want to discuss Cambodia visas and/ or entries it should be in the Visas and migration to other countries or the Cambodia Forum  in the Cambodia Visas subform.

There is also a special form for for the discussion  of the virus in the COVID-19: Coronavirus forum .

This topic is now