Protesters burn down Wendy's in Atlanta after police shooting

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

lol, a white girl burned down the restaurant..

Why do you think that matters?

[Jingthing]

 Mr. Brooks should not have been shot dead in the back. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-complicated-rayshard-brooks-should-be-alive/2020/06/15/70441f64-af3b-11ea-8758-bfd1d045525a_story.html

 

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It’s not complicated: Rayshard Brooks should be alive

 

Rayshard Brooks should be alive today, not dead at the hands of a trigger-happy Atlanta police officer after Brooks panicked and resisted a drunken driving arrest. The people who are attempting to justify Brooks’s killing aren’t convincing anyone. But they are illustrating just how much work we have to do to redefine what we want out of policing and to make clear that yes, black men’s lives matter even when they get drunk and fall asleep in a Wendy’s drive-through lane.

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Jingthing

[Crazy Alex]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Mr. Brooks should not have been shot dead in the back. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-complicated-rayshard-brooks-should-be-alive/2020/06/15/70441f64-af3b-11ea-8758-bfd1d045525a_story.html

 

It’s not complicated: Rayshard Brooks should be alive

You're right. He should be alive. Unfortunately, the ex-con decided to become violent with police and steal one of their weapons.

[gazza4]

THE most disgusting thing that i have seen in my 72 years of life. White America ,you should own-up to your evil past. Just look at your offspring, now marching in the streets with their human friends who happen to have colored skin. White Americans, you don't control the world to create a better one for everyone. This is the fantasy that your white leaders know that you will fall for. You actually create a continuous world of conflict to satisfy the needs of your white Billionaires.

[bert bloggs]

31 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

You're right. He should be alive. Unfortunately, the ex-con decided to become violent with police and steal one of their weapons.

Both of the guys now killed ,were offenders ,not exactly decent chaps ,but i have watched a couple of vids ,like this in America where white crims have been shot ,so its not that unusual it seems , why no protests about the death of white guys? thats what i dont understand .

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Both of the guys now killed ,were offenders ,not exactly decent chaps ,but i have watched a couple of vids ,like this in America where white crims have been shot ,so its not that unusual it seems , why no protests about the death of white guys? thats what i dont understand .

I don't believe that you don't understand. 

[Crazy Alex]

26 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Both of the guys now killed ,were offenders ,not exactly decent chaps ,but i have watched a couple of vids ,like this in America where white crims have been shot ,so its not that unusual it seems , why no protests about the death of white guys? thats what i dont understand .

Apparently, black people feel they are being targeted. Crime statistics show black men are far more violent than white men. A quick drive through a black neighborhood is congruent with crime statistics. It clearly does not make sense. It is clearly difficult to understand the obvious lack of logic. Beware of people who pretend the lack of logic is understandable. They are quite often dishonest people.

 

Even worse than your assertion, not even Black Lives Matter. I refer you back to crime statistics. Most blacks are murdered by other blacks. The only black lives that matter are ones where political points can be scored. And while everyone is counting how many black men are killed by police, there is complete SILENCE as to how policemen are killed by black men.

 

Beware of people who pretend the lack of logic is understandable. They are quite often despicable, dishonest people who can rarely make a logical case for anything. There is much about the PC thinking in the US that is not understandable. That is because it is illogical.

Edited June 16, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[bert bloggs]

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't believe that you don't understand. 

I do understand ,but if you say anything the usual crew come on and brand you racist , the left always just shout you down

[riclag]

57 minutes ago, gazza4 said:

THE most disgusting thing that i have seen in my 72 years of life. White America ,you should own-up to your evil past. Just look at your offspring, now marching in the streets with their human friends who happen to have colored skin. White Americans, you don't control the world to create a better one for everyone. This is the fantasy that your white leaders know that you will fall for. You actually create a continuous world of conflict to satisfy the needs of your white Billionaires.

Please ! Racism is in every country,blacks on black murders and injustices that they commit to their brothers and sister in their community.  It  will be till the end of time. So how does one country deal with it and make a difference! 

Some think, have all black police chiefs, is the answer! Black Politicians in the cities and even as President will surely solve the race issue.

America has come along way in recognizing that all people <deleted>,pee and bleed the same.

 

 A few bad apples in  every culture or a profession have always tainted the batch and will exist! To think they could possibly change  whats been happening since the beginning of time is ...

 

 

That man in many ways shows the need for law and order, black or white! 

 

Shooting the guy in the back  imop wasn't justified for his actions!

I would of like to have seen him knock those legs out, similar to what cops do when they shoot out a car's tire when in pursuit! 

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, gazza4 said:

THE most disgusting thing that i have seen in my 72 years of life. White America ,you should own-up to your evil past. Just look at your offspring, now marching in the streets with their human friends who happen to have colored skin. White Americans, you don't control the world to create a better one for everyone. This is the fantasy that your white leaders know that you will fall for. You actually create a continuous world of conflict to satisfy the needs of your white Billionaires.

A Wendy's being burned down in Atlanta is the most disgusting thing you've seen in 72 years? Nah, that can't be. A violent thug who just assaulted cops and stole one of their weapons being shot by police is the most disgusting thing you've seen in 72 years? Nah, that can't be it. Maybe you're upset that white kids are marching with black kids. I hope not.

 

I would love to engage you in the topic. However, you're not being very clear. OK, let's try here. Specifically, who is creating conflict to satisfy the needs of white billionaires? Please tell me how this works. And why are you so upset with white people?

[Billthekiwi]

You just have to laugh...

I mean this is really biting the hand that feeds you.

[ChouDoufu]

34 minutes ago, riclag said:

Please ! Racism is in every country,blacks on black murders and injustices that they commit to their brothers and sister in their community.  It  will be till the end of time. So how does one country deal with it and make a difference! 

Some think, have all black police chiefs, is the answer! Black Politicians in the cities and even as President will surely solve the race issue.

America has come along way in recognizing that all people <deleted>,pee and bleed the same.

 

 A few bad apples in  every culture or a profession have always tainted the batch and will exist! To think they could possibly change  whats been happening since the beginning of time is ...

 

 

That man in many ways shows the need for law and order, black or white! 

 

Shooting the guy in the back  imop wasn't justified for his actions!

I would of like to have seen him knock those legs out, similar to what cops do when they shoot out a car's tire when in pursuit! 

 

 

 

you guys watch too much teevee!

 

it's virtually impossible to shoot out the tire of moving car from another car.  they'd likely miss, hitting the pavement, ricocheting into who knows where.  and bullets wouldn't penetrate the steel belts of the tread.  maybe on the sidewall, but standard cop rounds would still probably bounce off.  that's why sop is to use spike strips rather than lone rangering the tires.

 

and shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand, or just wing him in the arm or leg?  more teevee garbage.  you've got a fraction of a second to react, to aim and fire, while your body is pumped full of adrenaline.  don't expect nice groupings like you see at the range.  at 25 yards with a police weapon, in a crisis situation, you're lucky to hit a van-sized object.  none of this shooting the wings off a fly bs.  just read the accounts of police encounters where two cops in a hallway unload their clips, hitting nothing but wall.

 

once you're in a lethal situation where you draw your weapon.....

[loong]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He didn't need to be stopped. They had his car. He could easily be arrested later. 

If he had a weapon and wanted to kill cops then why did he steal a taser and use that instead of this imaginary gun that he obviously did not have? 

Granted it's understandable that a crappy cop under pressure would have killed this man. But that doesn't change the fact that lethal force was not justified in this case. 

So you think that anybody who fights with police officers while resisting arrest should just be allowed to run away because he can be arrested later. Then when they try to arrest him later, he can just run off and the police will just leave it til later. And so on and so on.

A cop had his taser stolen. Do we know whether the other cop was aware that he had stolen the taser? No, we don't. The officer in close pursuit had his taser, so it was the other officer that had his stolen. It is very likely that the officer did not know that he had the taser.

So, the officer saw the man half-turn and aim something at him. That something then flashed. In my opinion the officer quite rightly considered that his life was threatened and so he returned fire. Lethal force, in my opinion was fully justified in this case.

If this officer is convicted of murder or manslaughter then it will be a massive travesty of justice.

[Crazy Alex]

7 minutes ago, loong said:

So you think that anybody who fights with police officers while resisting arrest should just be allowed to run away because he can be arrested later. Then when they try to arrest him later, he can just run off and the police will just leave it til later. And so on and so on.

A cop had his taser stolen. Do we know whether the other cop was aware that he had stolen the taser? No, we don't. The officer in close pursuit had his taser, so it was the other officer that had his stolen. It is very likely that the officer did not know that he had the taser.

So, the officer saw the man half-turn and aim something at him. That something then flashed. In my opinion the officer quite rightly considered that his life was threatened and so he returned fire. Lethal force, in my opinion was fully justified in this case.

If this officer is convicted of murder or manslaughter then it will be a massive travesty of justice.

Solid points. And rest assured many of the people screeching and whining about the police being heavy-handed are the very first people to complain about the police not doing enough to stop crime.

 

There is not telling what a violent thug who has just stolen a weapon will do next. And with innocent civilians around, they did the right thing and took out the garbage. And I will bet dollars to donut holes the thug in question has a serious criminal record.

[Billthekiwi]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

Please ! Racism is in every country,blacks on black murders and injustices that they commit to their brothers and sister in their community.  It  will be till the end of time. So how does one country deal with it and make a difference! 

Some think, have all black police chiefs, is the answer! Black Politicians in the cities and even as President will surely solve the race issue.

America has come along way in recognizing that all people <deleted>,pee and bleed the same.

 

 A few bad apples in  every culture or a profession have always tainted the batch and will exist! To think they could possibly change  whats been happening since the beginning of time is ...

 

 

That man in many ways shows the need for law and order, black or white! 

 

Shooting the guy in the back  imop wasn't justified for his actions!

I would of like to have seen him knock those legs out, similar to what cops do when they shoot out a car's tire when in pursuit! 

 

 

Hi,

 

If you had watched the video and saw how the offender discharged the Tazer at the policeman, seeing it pass over the head of the policeman.
The policeman could have been blinded and/or incapacitated whereby the offender could have come back and taken his firearm. Shot the policeman dead and tried for the partner.

Me I'd rather see the criminal take the fall. I want my law enforcement to go home safe each night.
Policemen are not taught to wound when they shoot. It's just too risky and for non-involved people.

As an example I was a casual shooter for a pest destruction board and one night I was out with a heavy dew on the grass. Taking aim at a running pest I let off a couple of rounds. Missed with both but heard 2 sharp thacks.. What the...?

300 metres or so in the background was a bamboo hedge. My rounds were skimming off the wet grass and hitting the bamboo. When I looked closer there was a house on the other side. The bamboo saved my bacon and maybe their's too.

When you fire at running legs the target is small. What happens in the background should someone be out of your sight with a ricochet?
Perhaps the offender doesn't die but an innocent does. That makes me the policeman feel better about it?

[CG1 Blue]

On 6/15/2020 at 8:14 AM, ThailandRyan said:

A Taser has the ability to render a person temporarily disabled for up to 20 seconds.  During that time a person who turns it on an officer can remove the officers handgun and shoot the officer with his own weapon.  So in this case I see it as a no win situation for the man who took the taser and aimed it at the police officer.

Not only that, but the officers have a duty to protect the public. He had already overpowered the officers. Surely they had a duty to stop this drunk violent man from running loose around the town with a taser (and who knows what other weapons a nutcase like this might be carrying).  

 

Black, white or purple, it was inevitable he would be shot. 

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/14/2020 at 9:02 PM, giddyup said:

Let them burn all the fast food franchises in their neighbourhoods, might do wonders for their waistlines.

Both white and black waistlines. Maybe the BLM can pay a visit to Beach Road in Pattaya and get rid of the scourge of foreign fast-food joints, which apparently don't threaten the livelihood of Thai people, nor the Thai "culture." It's rather the falang pensioner having inappropriate relations with indigenous women and bearing offspring that is the real threat, and which demands ever more stringent immigration policies.

[OZinPattaya]

5 hours ago, sirineou said:

I am not saying that there are unjustified violence. and when it is it should be investigated and prosecuted. and if it is not I will join hands with anyone willing to join hands with me and peacefully protest.

Is there racism , sure there is, what segment in society does not have racism? Don't the black community have racism?   Is there more racism in the Police community than in general society. I would say NO , why because there are systems that try to weed it out.

  Are these systems always successful?  Certainly not!! What system is?? 

These unjustified incidents are a minute proportion of police involvement.  and should be handled as such.

  How does burning down a Wendi's help anything?  What about the guy who sunk his savings and maybe mortgage his house to buy the franchise? How about all the black people that worked there that now don't have a job?  How about all the taxes the community will not collect? 

  People react based on perceptions. Will  the next cop who is hired for that position have better perceptions of that community or worst? Will he or she be more relaxed or more defensive? 

I am of the opinion of doing things that make things better , and not doing things that make things worst. Do you really think anything that has happened in the last few week or last few years with same type of reactions has made things better?  

 Or perhaps should we try a different approach of cooperation and community involvement?  Perhaps if the community saw the police as a partner rather than as an enemy thinks would be different.  

People in America are constantly conflating classism with racism; and to a degree this is understandable given that blacks in America are disproportionately disadvantaged in this respect. They suffer the worst of this classism. Believe me, how you are treated by American police officers has a lot more to do with your perceived economic status than it does your race. White trailer park "trash" in America are not exactly treated with much respect. Just watch some episodes of "Cops" if you don't believe me. The moment the police enter the wealthier suburbs--which admittedly are more predominantly white--their whole attitude and methods change. But this is fundamentally an economic bias, and not entirely unjustified. Unfortunate as it is. Now, the BLM would absolutely give no credence to my argument, because with them it is all about racial identity. Not even poor white people and poor black people and poor brown people can find any sort of solidarity, because the racial identitarians of the Left have co-opted this struggle and turned it into a race war.

[CG1 Blue]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He didn't need to be stopped. They had his car. He could easily be arrested later. 

What if you'd been walking along innocently chomping on your Wendy's burger that night; would you like to have bumped into a drunk violent man armed with (at the very least) a taser?

They couldn't just let a man like that roam around the streets on the assumption they might pick him up later.  

[olfu]

Ok. My 2 cents:

All this shooting and talking I see year after year and nothing really changing. So I did my own research:  police is independent ruling class and that's the main problem and action should be--

ban police unions,

ban pension plans,

ban mandatory pay raises,

introduce mandatory licenses.

[torturedsole]

58 minutes ago, olfu said:

Ok. My 2 cents:

All this shooting and talking I see year after year and nothing really changing. So I did my own research:  police is independent ruling class and that's the main problem and action should be--

ban police unions,

ban pension plans,

ban mandatory pay raises,

introduce mandatory licenses.

Might as well ban the police and see how long it is before anarchy reigns and your house is burned to the ground.  Be careful what you wish for.  

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/14/2020 at 10:48 PM, Eric Loh said:

Pity that the idea of warning shots has been prohibited for decades in policing even though it is allowed in police documents. It should be thoroughly re-examined and brought back with better rules and training. 

Every year people die due to idiots shooting their firearms in the air, especially on the 4th of July. In America you can get charged with manslaughter for doing this. Bullet goes up it must come down, with enough terminal velocity to kill.

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/15/2020 at 1:53 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

Meanwhile the young black female Mayor decrees he must be sacked immediately. How dare he use his weapon to defend himself when a person, over the drink drive limit, violently resists arrest, grabs a taser of an officer runs turns, and aims what might be the taser or could've been another weapon.

 

So the deceased's family think that if someone beats up the police and runs there's no right to shoot them!

 

I watched the video. He was clearly slurring his words when woke up and had been out celebrating. Failed the breath test, which he took peacefully, then decided to fight and run. Why did he suddenly decide to resist arrest? What was he afraid of? If he'd been cuffed and gone quietly he'd be alive.

 

What their seems to be is a growing idea black people should now be above the law, especially if being enforced by white officers. This is being pandered too by patronizing politicians and so called celebrities. 

 

I trust the police union will be wanting to discuss the summary dismissal by a black Mayor of a white officer - as she may be racist.

Growing idea? It's grown, fully grown. And yes, that is precisely what the BLM wants, is not for equality under the law, but for racial impunity under the law due to a vague concept of hereditary sin, which sin now justifies everything under the sun, no matter how criminal or disgusting the behavior.

 

If black people have a problem in America maybe they should hold the Democrats to task for all the promises they failed to fulfill. Something like 92% of black people voted against Trump. Call me crazy but if I vote against a particular candidate en masse I'm not really expecting too much from said candidate on my behalf. But if I keep voting for the same party every nauseating election, magically expecting different results, is that not the definition of insanity? At the very least it's not the opposition party's candidate who's to blame for your predicament, it's the party you keep voting for expecting different results, despite decade's worth of empty promises 

Edited June 16, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[daveAustin]

Not surprised. There will always be a perceived underprivileged status as long as white men walk the earth. That one black criminal gets shot, all the while 10 white criminals get gunned down (perhaps at the hand of a black cop's gun), would be immaterial. It is racism is disguise, boredom and just an excuse to cause mayhem. Yankee cops are tough on everyone - experienced it first hand - but it seems a swathe of the populace is more susceptible to getting in trouble. One could imprison or kill every white person on earth and it wouldn't change.

[Crazy Alex]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He didn't need to be stopped. They had his car. He could easily be arrested later. 

 

1) The car was already stopped, so you're right. He didn't need to be stopped.

 

2) If you're talking about not needing to be stopped after he assaulted the police and stole one of their weapons, you are obviously wrong. Surely even you realize a violent thug who has just assaulted officers and stolen one of their weapons doesn't just get to prance away for capture later. He is to be stopped then and there before he becomes violent once again. Had they followed your insane rationale and the perp hurt someone you love, you would be screeching loudly about how the cops didn't do their job! Sorry, this isn't fantasy land and we have no unicorns prancing around. You get violent with cops, you can expect an immediate response. You get violent with cops and steal one of their weapons, you can expect to be hunted down and stopped immediately.

[Tug]

On 6/14/2020 at 4:40 PM, TopDeadSenter said:

Much more. The writing is on the wall already. Next will be a major concerted move for "reparations". For this they will rewrite history to portray whites as brutes invading Africa and capturing slaves, slaves who then went on to build the white man's world. The new narrative will state slaves were never traded by blacks, and blacks never took white slaves. So financial reparations are due. It will be something like a 75% one off wealth tax, leaving white families trying to desperately live off the land in abject poverty and legally forced to kneel down to show subservience to blacks driving around in Lambos and Ferraris. Eventually those whites with common sense and drive again become wealthy and all the Lambos are wrapped around a lamp post somewhere and after wasting all their new money on crack and luxuries society will again revert to life as we know it. Rinse and repeat.

 

I'm wondering, do any TVF members think that society is more cohesive and content now that this BLM movement told us we are all racists and took over being our moral guardians and burnt down our cities? It doesn't seem to have been very cathartic from where I'm sitting. Anybody?

Well well well turns out it was a white woman who torched the hamburger stand and she’s involved in that boogaloo group of white supremacist folks same ones that murdered 2 cops during a blm protest well well well looks like someone’s trying to push folks past the edge I wonder who........

[Jingthing]

Update --

 

FELONY MURDER

 

Atlanta is throwing the book at the shooter.

His cop partner will testify against him, which is almost unheard of! 

Not sure they'll get convictions on all counts but they'll certainly get some.

The city has some new damning evidence against the shooter that hasn't been shown before now, including photos and witnesses.

They're making a big thing about how cooperative the murder victim was before being cuffed (which he certainly was) and how there was a major mistake made in violation of law as far as information not given during the arrest attempt.

 

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The former Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was charged Wednesday with felony murder and 10 other offenses in his death, the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office said.

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-cop-charged-with-felony-murder-other-charges-rayshard-brooks-death/h0j3W9OZvMgtSf3eE1i2hM/

 

To add, this level of crime potentially involves the death penalty in the state of Georgia.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Jingthing

[Crazy Alex]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Update --

 

FELONY MURDER

 

Atlanta is throwing the book at the shooter.

His cop partner will testify against him, which is almost unheard of! 

Not sure they'll get convictions on all counts but they'll certainly get some.

The city has some new damning evidence against the shooter that hasn't been shown before now, including photos and witnesses.

They're making a big thing about how cooperate the murder victim was before being cuffed (which he certainly was) and how there was a major mistake made in violation of law as far as information not given during the arrest attempt.

 

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-cop-charged-with-felony-murder-other-charges-rayshard-brooks-death/h0j3W9OZvMgtSf3eE1i2hM/

 

Yes, we all saw how cooperative the child-beating parolee was when he assaulted the cops and stole one of their tasers. Wow. Just WOW.

[Crazy Alex]

15 hours ago, Tug said:

Well well well turns out it was a white woman who torched the hamburger stand and she’s involved in that boogaloo group of white supremacist folks same ones that murdered 2 cops during a blm protest well well well looks like someone’s trying to push folks past the edge I wonder who........

Link to support claims, please.

[torturedsole]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, we all saw how cooperative the child-beating parolee was when he assaulted the cops and stole one of their tasers. Wow. Just WOW.

And the good news is the child-beating parolee didn't take the lives of one or more of the officers in attendance and the perp remains dead.