Tourists banned from first wave of ‘travel bubbles’, says Anutin

[bluesofa]

Ooh look, both articles from today:

    

             Before (forgot face mask)                                       After (remembered)

 

source: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1169160-bhumjaithai’s-anutin-open-to-cabinet-reshuffle/   

 

 

[SVC Porter]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-19/thailand-aims-to-turn-away-from-mass-tourism-target-the-wealthy

 

Hmm

[Oldie]

30 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Still has the ban because the bubbles haven't been negotiated, the whole point of travel bubbles is that they are not unilateral. They are based on bilateral or multilateral agreements. So not that easy because nations need to negotiate and agree to them, but certainly can do them if they desire to.

I think this is a good idea and perhaps the only way to go. But I guess they want to gather some experience on a smaller scale in the first step. 

[Forza2002]

"Meanwhile, Anutin said he was ready to be injected with a prototype vaccine for Covid-19 as part of medical trials." Talk is cheap????, if he does have the injection will it be witnessed by journalists. I doubt that very much...

[Walker88]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6

 

According to this article, based on a Chinese study of those infected earliest with Covid-19, immunity gained via antibodies may only last 2-3 months.

 

The figure for SARS is 1 year and for MERS 34 months.

 

If this initial research is correct, the idea of 'herd immunity' is almost pointless, and even a vaccine may be of limited short term value, since the purpose of a vaccine is to have the body produce antibodies.

 

The negative implications of this early research are staggering.

[Blumpie]

When in doubt change the narrative.  

Now travel bubbles isn't tourism?  Ha!  

Of course not!  NO country on earth is going to allow their citizens back in their countries for tourism.  In Japan you can go right now, controversially, they won't let you back in no matter what your citizenship.  

[Blumpie]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6

 

According to this article, based on a Chinese study of those infected earliest with Covid-19, immunity gained via antibodies may only last 2-3 months.

 

The figure for SARS is 1 year and for MERS 34 months.

 

If this initial research is correct, the idea of 'herd immunity' is almost pointless, and even a vaccine may be of limited short term value, since the purpose of a vaccine is to have the body produce antibodies.

 

The negative implications of this early research are staggering.

That's a pretty early study.  

Edited June 19, 2020 by Blumpie
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[Paiman]

What a space cadet. 

[metisdead]

Some offensive troll posts have been removed. 

[Sundown]

36 minutes ago, SVC Porter said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-19/thailand-aims-to-turn-away-from-mass-tourism-target-the-wealthy

 

Hmm

Makes sense why clog the country with 100 dirty poor falang when 1 single billionaire can spend the same? Billionaires are all leaving Montecarlo, queuing at Thai borders waiting to get in and spend their fortunes, insiders say.

[Chivas]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

I get this awful feeling that if we in the UK get a vaccine, we will be forced also to take a Thai one - expensively

You must be joking !!  Nobody but nobody is going to accept being injected by a 3rd party country !  What are they going to do line you up at immigration bend you over assume the position and say its for your own good.........????

Edited June 19, 2020 by Chivas

[Walker88]

23 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

That's a pretty early study.  

Yes, it's early, but the disappearance of antibodies after 2-3 months has serious implications. It's not as if they miraculously reappear. Gone is gone.

 

Right now at least 100 companies and many govt orgs are working on a vaccine that this early study suggests will be essentially useless.

 

It may be that the treatment option, as with HIV, will be the way to go longer term. Of course that should excite Big Pharma to get to work on it, because there's more money to be made in treatment than cures.

[rvaviator]

Maybe only the strong and healthy will survive in the long run ..... or at least have the highest % chance of survival.

[Sambotte]

3 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

This could easily change when other members of the Govt ask genius Anutin where he thinks Thailand gets its money from...... (But they are dirty!)

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

Unwashed Filthy Farang

Are you saying it's dirty money ? ????

????

[Sambotte]

3 hours ago, SpanishExpat said:

Guess what...if China opened tomorrow and would let their people travel again, Thailand would create a "chinese travel bubble" within a few days. 

Anyway...it`s their country...so let them do what they want. However, I hope no one will help them, when they realize how huge they have damaged their economy! European countries were forced to reopen, as they saw what a disaster it would have been for the intra-EU tourism sector without a summer travel peak-season. But that`s the Thai mentality...they always react, never act proactively. Covid 19 was limited here for whatever miraculous reasons, but surely not because the government reacted pro-actively.

That won`t work with the economy...once damaged on the long-term, it will take ages to recover. Stuff like the domestic travel stimulus package is just as effective as when they gave away the shopping vouchers and announced proudly that it boosted the economy.

Yep, my opinion too.

Thailand has made the risky choice to u-turn vis-à-vis des "western farangs", especially those on long or repeated stay. After 40 years of big money for ANYONE in Thailand. They choose the mass tourism, Chineese, and possibly Indians. Better business for gouvernement and top business i guess... But not for Thaï people. Packs of Chineese, mostly on "tour", don't go to small places/businesses, don't rent condo, scooter, etc..

 

First the big risk is to become totally dependent of China for tourism revenues, maybe like Cambodia and Vietnam actually. Dependance to one big customer is not very wise.

 

Second, with the "new-normal-war-this-time-on-virus", tourism is in total uncertainty now, and for probably years. So a re u-turn favorable to long stays farangs would be wise IMO, businessly speaking. Not to mention any Thaï (not brainwashed-scapegoat oriented like it could be recently) can benefit from individual, multi-nationality, and including long term, "tourism" or expat...

[DaRoadrunner]

2 hours ago, Chivas said:

You must be joking !!  Nobody but nobody is going to accept being injected by a 3rd party country !  What are they going to do line you up at immigration bend you over assume the position and say its for your own good.........????

Don't give them ideas

[Anton9]

Myanmar just reported 23 imported new cases from Thai detention centre in the south.

Opsssssss

Edited June 19, 2020 by Anton9

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Sambotte said:

First the big risk is to become totally dependent of China for tourism revenues, maybe like Cambodia and Vietnam actually. Dependance to one big customer is not very wise.

I visited Vietnam 3x last year ..... packed out with western tourists every place I went.

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Sambotte said:

First the big risk is to become totally dependent of China for tourism revenues, maybe like Cambodia and Vietnam actually. Dependance to one big customer is not very wise.

How often do you visit Vietnam. I go twice a month from Thailand. Live bkk. 

Your typing rubbish.

Cambodia I agree. Sold out snooky for deep sea port and now Casino.

Do you live Asia or just guessing. 

[Sambotte]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I visited Vietnam 3x last year ..... packed out with western tourists every place I went.

Strange.

Visited 2 weeks (Ho Chi Minh and i forgot where else on the coast) last year, and it was full of Chineese. And restaurants big size packed with Chineese, servers speaking Mandarin (or cantonese for what i know), NOT english.

 

That said honestly i do not mind. Nothing worse than an American nowaday ???? Kidding. I mean as long as the great donkey does not travel too much at least but he is very busy with twitter and facebook i have heard ?... ????

 

Cambodia : Sihanouk is own by Chineese now.

 

The point is it changes all the tourism business.

[Sambotte]

9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

How often do you visit Vietnam. I go twice a month from Thailand. Live bkk. 

Your typing rubbish.

Cambodia I agree. Sold out snooky for deep sea port and now Casino.

Do you live Asia or just guessing. 

Being around 4 times in Cambodia, Laos (not recently), Vietnam, Malaysia (not recently), last 20 years past mostly in Thailand (but not permanent, i like traveling).

Many travelers and locals have confirmed to me the new impact of Chinese tourism in Cambodia and Vietnam recently.

[EricTh]

Tourism is a big money earner in Thailand, the people up there don't understand the hardship of low income earners.

 

Permitting work permit holders only? How many are there, just a handful because most jobs are restricted to Thai citizens only. Usually these are English teachers.

 

This doesn't help the Thai economy. I say bring on the tourists from certain countries only.

 

The same goes for foreign business men who are restricted to investors of big companies only. They are there to earn money and not spend money.

Edited June 19, 2020 by EricTh

[EricTh]

49 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I visited Vietnam 3x last year ..... packed out with western tourists every place I went.

Really? Yet the top 4 in Vietnam in 2017-2019 are still Asian countries.

 

China

South Korea

Japan

Taiwan

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Vietnam#Top_29_International_Visitors_in_Vietnam

Edited June 19, 2020 by EricTh

[BritManToo]

30 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Being around 4 times in Cambodia, Laos (not recently), Vietnam, Malaysia (not recently), last 20 years past mostly in Thailand (but not permanent, i like traveling).

Many travelers and locals have confirmed to me the new impact of Chinese tourism in Cambodia and Vietnam recently.

Was in Cambodia in March, Siem Reap didn't see many Chinese, was in Phnom Penh last year didn't see many Chinese.

Vietnam had Chinese, but they were not the majority, more Korean and western tourists.

 

But then I'm hanging out in bar and backpacker areas.

[Saraburi121]

Maybe off topic but how does a guy with an engineering degree (Hofstra Collage USA according to Wiki) get a post as a health minister? Probably been asked before on the forum, but how?  That is one post you would think that you should need a background for?

[shdmn]

8 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

"who can be easily tracked" sounds sinister, tracking wristbands possibly.

It's an app you put on your phone at a minimum.  I'd be fine with it temporarily but it's definitely a slippery slope.  Once they start doing that it's not hard to just start requiring if for all arrivals forever.

Edited June 19, 2020 by shdmn

[shdmn]

Well damn.  So looks like I won't get back there in July and probably not August either.

[EricTh]

34 minutes ago, Saraburi121 said:

Maybe off topic but how does a guy with an engineering degree (Hofstra Collage USA according to Wiki) get a post as a health minister? Probably been asked before on the forum, but how?  That is one post you would think that you should need a background for?

There are many instances of politicians all around the world where their degrees don't match their positions.

[Saraburi121]

12 minutes ago, EricTh said:

There are many instances of politicians all around the world where their degrees don't match their positions.

You are 100% right and great point, but that is one position you would think that should be filled with someone with medical education that can speak intelligently on public health to the public? 

[androokery]

I guess governments can make all kind of deals about bilateral travel bubbles and identify what kind of people would be allowed to enter their respective countries. They can set up any kind of rules and regulations about documentation and testing and basically anything they want. And then you draw the Venn diagrams of the people who may just qualify to travel to Thailand and you find that intersecting sliver to be so small that there is no way you will find an airline willing to gamble on flying in to BKK. 
 

I think it will be very difficult to open tourism up slowly, at least if you look beyond the neighbouring countries.