UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[tomacht8]

35 minutes ago, Loiner said:

1. Exactly why the UK does not need EU tariffs. We do not grow oranges, so will be able to import them more cheaply without the EU tariff which protects the Spanish growers.

 

2. Now we are out of the EU, we don't have to watch EU grant factory relocations to the EU and the same products being imported back to the UK. We can provide state aid where we need to or apply tariffs to EU imports.

 

4. Yes, the politicians of the past 40 years have been stupid. Fortunately, we are now free of that political Europhile stupidity.

1. Bravo

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190107-1

The UK can get oranges cheaper from Egypt and South Africa. yeah.

I would not rely on Egypt, they have problems with their neighbors because of the nile dam. However, if the UK does not support the orange growers in Spain, they will have less money and will not go on vacation to London to see the crown jewels. The bottleneck is not the procurement of products, but the sale. The question of how over 50% of UK exports to the EU can be sold elsewhere is much more interesting. And the price difference for the final consumption of the different oranges is minimal, by the way.

 

 

2. That is fine.

Before you asked why the UK shouldn't import cheaper oranges, and now you find that UK companies are moving out of the UK because they can produce cheaper elsewhere. Btw the EU does not prohibit national aid for companies to secure jobs.

Unfortunately, the competitiveness of UK companies within the EU is not the best. The productivity indices are unfortunately only in the lowest mediocrity.

After Brexit alone on the world market, tell me a few products where the UK is leading. Just for the sake of interest.

 

3. Missing

 

4. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

It is both.

The EU naturally protects its domestic markets and their workers and taxpayers. A good example was the import stop of Thai fish products because of the slave-like conditions on Thai fishing boats. Or shrimp farming with incredible amounts of pesticides. 

Yes, and due to the high tariffs on unfairly produced dumping products, a lot is subsidized with that money within the EU.

The EU is clearly also luring large companies with tax advantages if it can be proven that they create jobs within the EU.

The tax revenue from many employees (wages and sales tax) brings the state more than a high corporate tax. That is why many companies are moving in the past their production to low-wage countries like China.

 

And we don't want to talk about private tax evaders. The UK is on the front line with its Canal Islands.

The EU wants to drain these swamps.

 

And then came the much-celebrvoter has given them this license.ated Brexit. The super-rich UK tax avoiders are still grinning with joy and can hardly believe their luck that the UK

British canals are generally straight and narrow by definition. Most super-rich UK tax avoiders are actually remainers.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

You've got to get ready, I'm not telling you what is good for you (as a non Brit) - BUT in real life, the Continent is just ( edited: 20 miles/France and the Continent)  away - Brexit or no Brexit - Accept it

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/08/uk-fishing-exports-48-hours-no-deal-brexit

Yes. A bit too close for comfort.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I do believe its more like 20 miles away , France from the UK

Still to close.

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

snips

 

2)Unfortunately, the competitiveness of UK companies within the EU is not the best. The productivity indices are unfortunately only in the lowest mediocrity.

After Brexit alone on the world market, tell me a few products where the UK is leading. Just for the sake of interest.

 

4. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

 

Ah Tomacht, you must understand English exceptionalism. The only thing that is has been holding the UK back from being world dominating in all sorts of areas, is those beastly Europeans. Some people have been unkind enough as to suggest that we destroyed our own manufacturing industry in the 1980s because our government had a hand in setting the absurdly high interest rates that made investment nigh on impossible. 

  

We will triumph over all the odds with our Dunkirk spirit (OK it was a defeat, but forget that). Everybody will be so desperate to do trade deals with us that we will receive endless offers of deals which are hugely advantageous to us. All this talk of US and China taking advantage of us is just scaremongering. We are an importing nation, everyone wants to sell us goods. Exporting is totally overrated, never did much good to China, or Germany. Who cares about the balance of payments, we can just let the £ slide.

 

Why do we need young immigrants coming here and paying taxes so we can afford our pension bill, we can just have the occasional cull of old people who are considered to be lacking in true Brexiteer patriotism. 

 

If it hadn't been for the remainers we would have been flying high already. and Blah blah blah

[Laughing Gravy]

4 hours ago, Opl said:

You've got to get ready, I'm not telling you what is good for you (as a non Brit)

Well that is a first, especially on here.

4 hours ago, Opl said:

BUT in real life, the Continent is just ( edited: 20 miles/France and the Continent)  away - Brexit or no Brexit - Accept it

Thanks for the geography lesson but it wasn't needed.

 

4 hours ago, Opl said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/08/uk-fishing-exports-48-hours-no-deal-brexit

Your credibility went out of the window with this left wing rag.

 

What is wrong with a country wanting to be able to control its own food produce? Could you imagine the outcry if the UK could farm on French or Dutch land using the excuse that we signed a treaty, so we have to stick with it. That could be argued with wars hundreds and thousands of years ago.

 

I will say it again. it is not the countries in Europe I am against it is the entity called the EU. Sadly many just don't seem to know the difference. It would seem many are happy to be dictated by bureaucrats in Brussels. The people of the UK in a democratic vote, voted out.

 

Accept that.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

555. Yes.

Have you ever looked at the age structure of the population pyramid in the UK?

In addition to the horrendous debts, the few young Britons also have to earn pensions for the big group of aging pensioners.

And life expectancy is also increasing.

I am excited to see what well-paid high-tech products the UK will deliver over the next 20 years to supply the growing army of the elderly without immigration. Not to mention the possibilities of international market access.

Hallelujah.

germany had the right idea,after a heavy night on the schnapps merkel opened germanys doors to a million goat herders from the 4th century they,ll be germanys answer to their ageing population problem.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, Heppinger said:

She'll be right mate! the Magna Carta states that  "the City of London shall have/enjoy its ancient liberties".

Just to be safe though you should probably move to Australia.  While they still let you.

i want to,i,ve got all the immigration forms,one of the questions is "do you have a criminal record?" is it still a requirement ?

[Laughing Gravy]

5 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Well, then everything is fine. With Brexit, foreigners will no longer come.

But they still do come and come. Just look at the recent murders in the UK lately from immigrants. They are still coming and why is that. It must be a easy life where they come from if a hotel room is not good enough with money and food given to you.

 

They keep coming because the UK is a soft touch like many EU countries. Germany, Sweden, Denmark are all feeling it for their generosity.

 

Just remember we are all in a Thailand forum where a country doesn't put up with fool,s yet it is acceptable for your home country to do the same. No doubt the liberal lefties will be shaking in their boots with anger. Like the Lilly Allen's and other champagne socialists, I don't see her and others opening up their mansions to the immigrants but they are happy to let them into the streets of the people.

 

We have the EU to thank for that.

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well that is a first, especially on here.

Thanks for the geography lesson but it wasn't needed.

 

Your credibility went out of the window with this left wing rag.

 

What is wrong with a country wanting to be able to control its own food produce? Could you imagine the outcry if the UK could farm on French or Dutch land using the excuse that we signed a treaty, so we have to stick with it. That could be argued with wars hundreds and thousands of years ago.

 

I will say it again. it is not the countries in Europe I am against it is the entity called the EU. Sadly many just don't seem to know the difference. It would seem many are happy to be dictated by bureaucrats in Brussels. The people of the UK in a democratic vote, voted out.

 

Accept that.

wait till the eu collapses,all the remainers will be saying how clever we were to have left,

[Opl]

 

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Yes. A bit too close for comfort.

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil, move the border home

Edited July 3, 2020 by Opl

[Opl]

37 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

But they still do come and come. Just look at the recent murders in the UK lately from immigrants. They are still coming and why is that. It must be a easy life where they come from if a hotel room is not good enough with money and food given to you.

 

They keep coming because the UK is a soft touch like many EU countries. Germany, Sweden, Denmark are all feeling it for their generosity.

 

Just remember we are all in a Thailand forum where a country doesn't put up with fool,s yet it is acceptable for your home country to do the same. No doubt the liberal lefties will be shaking in their boots with anger. Like the Lilly Allen's and other champagne socialists, I don't see her and others opening up their mansions to the immigrants but they are happy to let them into the streets of the people.

 

We have the EU to thank for that.

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil

[Opl]

53 minutes ago, kingdong said:

wait till the eu collapses,all the remainers will be saying how clever we were to have left,

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil, move the border home (and save $44m!)

Edited July 3, 2020 by Opl

[kingdong]

49 minutes ago, Opl said:

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil, move the border home (and save $44m!)

ever had that feeling you,ve heard something somewhere before?

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

. Most super-rich UK tax avoiders are actually remainers.

because they,re the ones profiteering from the zero hour contracts and abuses of british workers.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil

Great response. It must have taken you a while to come up with that one.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil, move the border home (and save $44m!)

A typical remainer post keep saying the same thing over and over again.

[transam]

13 hours ago, david555 said:

No , the E.U. does not want  a free loader deal for U.K. with same privilege's as before when member of the club  ….but no membership to pay ….dream scenario from brexiteers ….forget it chaps  

You're still worried that the UK will no longer support YOU, it seems.....????

[transam]

13 hours ago, Mavideol said:

old saying.... the grass always looks greener on the other side

How true, I am looking forward to a lush lawn in the UK..????

[david555]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

You're still worried that the UK will no longer support YOU, it seems.....????

No...only trying to make clear the reality that the ever hoping brexit strategy to get a free ticket to E.U. benefits wont work ...try another U.K. negotiator and same result it shall be ...Out means out .

Prepare to bear your " Democratic 52% choice " and the consequenses....

4 years trying ...never walked away ....pathetic....????

[david555]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

What is pathetic is a non Brit here telling real Brits what to do.  Try looking after your own "Lawn".............????

Hahaha....As a non brit i am dragged in to your brexit and giving reply with full right ...i know the Englanders are not used to that... really not used to that ???? ....but Waterloo is long time past

"How dare little Europe to stand up against the rulers of the seas ! "...hahaha..????

Wait a little and the Scots    shall waking up breaking the Englanders illusion of great leaders....????????????????

 

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by david555

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post and the replies have been removed. 

[vogie]

59 minutes ago, david555 said:

Hahaha....As a non brit i am dragged in to your brexit and giving reply with full right ...i know the Englanders are not used to that... really not used to that ???? ....but Waterloo is long time past

"How dare little Europe to stand up against the rulers of the seas ! "...hahaha..????

Wait a little and the Scots    shall waking up breaking the Englanders illusion of great leaders....????????????????

 

 

Your posts are just bitter schoolyard nonsense, it reminds me of the husband who divorced her husband 4 years ago and still has to keep sending her sad messages like, "I never loved you anyway" "I don't believe the child we had is mine" "It would have been been better if I had never met you"

You know full well that it is the UK that is leaving the EU but continually say "Englanders" we are English, this can method of posting can only be described as baiting. If you cannot post without all these pathetic snide remarks, why bother at all, you are just embarrassing yourself.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Opl said:

 

Be coherent, take back all UK border posts ( such as Calais)  on UK soil, move the border home

OK.

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Hahaha....As a non brit i am dragged in to your brexit and giving reply with full right ...i know the Englanders are not used to that... really not used to that ???? ....but Waterloo is long time past

"How dare little Europe to stand up against the rulers of the seas ! "...hahaha..????

Wait a little and the Scots    shall waking up breaking the Englanders illusion of great leaders....????????????????

 

 

Were you one of them Cadbury's Smash men?

[johnpetersen]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

because they,re the ones profiteering from the zero hour contracts and abuses of british workers.

And yet it's the tories who protect zero hour contracts and foster abuse of british workers.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

 

Ah Tomacht, you must understand English exceptionalism. The only thing that is has been holding the UK back from being world dominating in all sorts of areas, is those beastly Europeans. Some people have been unkind enough as to suggest that we destroyed our own manufacturing industry in the 1980s because our government had a hand in setting the absurdly high interest rates that made investment nigh on impossible. 

  

We will triumph over all the odds with our Dunkirk spirit (OK it was a defeat, but forget that). Everybody will be so desperate to do trade deals with us that we will receive endless offers of deals which are hugely advantageous to us. All this talk of US and China taking advantage of us is just scaremongering. We are an importing nation, everyone wants to sell us goods. Exporting is totally overrated, never did much good to China, or Germany. Who cares about the balance of payments, we can just let the £ slide.

 

Why do we need young immigrants coming here and paying taxes so we can afford our pension bill, we can just have the occasional cull of old people who are considered to be lacking in true Brexiteer patriotism. 

 

If it hadn't been for the remainers we would have been flying high already. and Blah blah blah

The summary rounded off your post nicely.....blah blah blah.

[vogie]

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

. There must be something in the UK water that makes the Brexiteers smarter than all the other Brits since 47 years.

 

Ah Tomacht, you must understand English exceptionalism. The only thing that is has been holding the UK back from being world dominating in all sorts of areas, is those beastly Europeans. Some people have been unkind enough as to suggest that we destroyed our own manufacturing industry in the 1980s because our government had a hand in setting the absurdly high interest rates that made investment nigh on impossible. 

  

We will triumph over all the odds with our Dunkirk spirit (OK it was a defeat, but forget that). Everybody will be so desperate to do trade deals with us that we will receive endless offers of deals which are hugely advantageous to us. All this talk of US and China taking advantage of us is just scaremongering. We are an importing nation, everyone wants to sell us goods. Exporting is totally overrated, never did much good to China, or Germany. Who cares about the balance of payments, we can just let the £ slide.

 

Why do we need young immigrants coming here and paying taxes so we can afford our pension bill, we can just have the occasional cull of old people who are considered to be lacking in true Brexiteer patriotism. 

 

If it hadn't been for the remainers we would have been flying high already. and Blah blah blah

I think a Pulitzer Prize might just be coming your way.????

[transam]

5 hours ago, david555 said:

Hahaha....As a non brit i am dragged in to your brexit and giving reply with full right ...i know the Englanders are not used to that... really not used to that ???? ....but Waterloo is long time past

"How dare little Europe to stand up against the rulers of the seas ! "...hahaha..????

Wait a little and the Scots    shall waking up breaking the Englanders illusion of great leaders....????????????????

 

 

As already posted, schoolboy nonsense......Have you asked your accountant yet about possible tax increases now the "Englanders" have left.........?   ????................????

[johnpetersen]

9 hours ago, kingdong said:

germany had the right idea,after a heavy night on the schnapps merkel opened germanys doors to a million goat herders from the 4th century they,ll be germanys answer to their ageing population problem.

Germany: Half of refugees find jobs within five years

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-half-of-refugees-find-jobs-within-five-years/a-52251414