Trump denies being told about Russian bounties to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan

[metisdead]

Some more troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[geriatrickid]

18 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

citation needed.

 

do we at least have one british official publicly claiming on the record they had been briefed.  or is the this same anonymous reports of unnamed officials with knowledge of....not authorized to speak...blahblah?

Ok. How about John Bolton briefed President Trump on the Russian bounties to kill American soldiers in March 2019?

 

[mikebike]

19 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

If we weren't in the midst of watching violent leftists savages invading America as we speak, maybe your post wouldn't be so laughable.

Funny that the leftist savages seem to dislike one person whereas your sort seem to hate everyone who doesn't share your view...

[shdmn]

Not only did he know before he tried to get Putin invited back into the G7, bunker boy knew about this before he tried to invite the Taliban to Camp David.  Let that one sink in!

Edited June 30, 2020 by shdmn

[ChouDoufu]

41 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Ok. How about John Bolton briefed President Trump on the Russian bounties to kill American soldiers in March 2019?

 

great!  you fell for it!

 

the fake news article made many unsourced, unproven, unverifiable claims.  one of the claims was that bolton briefed trump on the russian project.  get it?  unnamed officials claim bolton told trump.  it wasn't bolton on the teevee last night claiming that.

 

Bolton declined to comment Monday when asked by the AP if he had briefed Trump about the matter in 2019. On Sunday, he suggested to NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Trump was claiming ignorance of Russia’s provocations to justify his administration’s lack of a response.

 

https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

 

gosh, you'd think a man with a new book all about the evils of trump would jump at the chance to prove himself.   he's careful to not directly answer the questions.

 

Bolton said that if the reports are true, the U.S. should 'consider a number of strong measures against Russia.' 

 

and then this:

 

Bolton admitted to CNN's Jake Tapper that while he doesn't know about this specific situation detailed in the report, it sounded to him like an effort form the president to shift the responsibility away from himself.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468117/Bolton-Trump-denying-knew-Russia-paid-Taliban-kill-troops-day-office.html

 

but wait, there's more!

 

John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said on “This Week” that he was not aware of the intelligence assessment, but he questioned Mr. Trump’s response on Twitter.

 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-russia-taliban-troops-trump-20200628-bczkrdfrqbf7hcuieol5nvklnq-story.html

 

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[Bluespunk]

Afghanistan war: Trump got written briefing on 'Russia bounties', reports say https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53231840

[jimmybcool]

Boy is this confusing.  

 

On the one hand the left wants to sell the meme that Trump is a Russian stooge.  Well if so - why would Russia offer bounties to kill US soldiers making Trump look bad?  What's the gain here for Russia or Trump?  Is he their enemy or stooge?  Can't have it both ways.

 

On the other hand the taliban has always been in the business of killing any western troops regardless of who is president.  So why would Russia need to offer bounties?  Like they would change their intent?  Suddenly that easy target of Americans is hit because NOW they get some cash from Russia?  

 

Then the question many have of why didn't Trump hear or respond to the briefing about Russian offered bounties.  Well, if there WAS no offered bounties and therefore no corresponding briefing to the never happened event he wouldn't have missed much.  And it seems that the US government denies such an event.  The Russians deny such an event.  Heck I haven't even heard corroboration from the Taliban not that I'd put much stock in anything they said.  

 

I have no love for Trump.  Or Obama.  Or Clinton.  Or Bush.  But jeez at least use some rational logical thinking on these conspiracies.  This one makes no sense at all.  Applying occams razor it seems more likely that this is yet another false story to fill the news cycle.  Our media sucks.  If they have no corroboration that this actually happened it should never have been released.  

 

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

8 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Boy is this confusing.  

 

On the one hand the left wants to sell the meme that Trump is a Russian stooge.  Well if so - why would Russia offer bounties to kill US soldiers making Trump look bad?  What's the gain here for Russia or Trump?  Is he their enemy or stooge?  Can't have it both ways.

 

On the other hand the taliban has always been in the business of killing any western troops regardless of who is president.  So why would Russia need to offer bounties?  Like they would change their intent?  Suddenly that easy target of Americans is hit because NOW they get some cash from Russia?  

 

Then the question many have of why didn't Trump hear or respond to the briefing about Russian offered bounties.  Well, if there WAS no offered bounties and therefore no corresponding briefing to the never happened event he wouldn't have missed much.  And it seems that the US government denies such an event.  The Russians deny such an event.  Heck I haven't even heard corroboration from the Taliban not that I'd put much stock in anything they said.  

 

I have no love for Trump.  Or Obama.  Or Clinton.  Or Bush.  But jeez at least use some rational logical thinking on these conspiracies.  This one makes no sense at all.  Applying occams razor it seems more likely that this is yet another false story to fill the news cycle.  Our media sucks.  If they have no corroboration that this actually happened it should never have been released.  

 

 

 

 

you missed the beauty of the setup.  in order to get to the bottom of this, we need.................an investigation.

 

and jinkies!  we'll have to be extra thorough about it!  shucks, it might not be over until......oh. lessee.......mid-november?

[Opl]

On 6/29/2020 at 10:11 AM, johnmcc6 said:

you can't rely on anything from the new york slimes.

“This president does read and he also consumes intelligence verbally. This president and I’ll tell you, is the most informed person on planet Earth when it comes to the threats that we face. You have Ambassador O’Brien who sees him in person twice a day, who sometimes takes upwards of half a dozen calls with this president. He’s constantly being informed and briefed on intelligence matters, but I’m not going to allow The New York Times to dictate when we give and when we don’t give top secret information.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/06/30/trump-most-informed-earth.html

[jcsmith]

On the Bolton quote, the claims are that Bolton has admitted to colleagues that he briefed Trump, but similar to testifying at the impeachment Bolton seems wary to go too far out on the limb to try to salvage his political career later.

Forbes had a decent summary of the info that is out there and where its sourced. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/30/trump-reportedly-briefed-on-alleged-russian-bounties-at-least-three-times-since-march-2019/#5f7a466746af

 

Again though there is virtually zero chance Trump wasn't briefed on this. Zero. 

[Silurian]

All this controversy is not helping Donald in the election. A steady decline in the past 30 days currently with a 23 point gap.

 

Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. President

 

[Silurian]

Republicans are abandoning Donald's American Dream in droves!

 

Poll: Republican satisfaction with state of the country drops to record-low 19%

 

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Until June 30, Republican satisfaction with the state of the country had stayed above 50% for nearly all of Trump’s presidency, according to Pew. The latest survey shows 19% of Republicans and those who lean Republican are satisfied with the direction of the country, compared to 7% of Democrats and those who lean Democrat.

 

[bendejo]

18 minutes ago, Silurian said:

Poll: Republican satisfaction with state of the country drops to record-low 19%

 

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Trump and the White House have pushed back on the claim that he was briefed, with Trump tweeting that “nobody briefed or told” him, Vice President Mike Pence or Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, slamming the article as “reported through an ‘anonymous source’ by the Fake News New York Times,” and claiming “everybody is denying it.”

 

Notice that it's all about him and his scandal.  No one on his team is responding to the problem itself.  With a real president, this is where the threat of cold war would warm up.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

 

Notice that it's all about him and his scandal.  No one on his team is responding to the problem itself.  With a real president, this is where the threat of cold war would warm up.

 

 

A real President will immediately asked that the bounty claim to be investigated (long overdue) and called for an internal investigation as to the failure of the relevant agencies to brief him. He and his WH folks are lying through their teeth.

[ChouDoufu]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

A real President will immediately asked that the bounty claim to be investigated (long overdue) and called for an internal investigation as to the failure of the relevant agencies to brief him. He and his WH folks are lying through their teeth.

do you know how intel works?  do you how raw information is processed?  do you have any idea how much garbage is to be found amongst the massive ammount of communications hoovered up by our intel agencies? 

 

99.999% is carp.  the few gems have to go through vetting and verification and corroboration before they get sent up the chain.  there's so much misinformation, disinformation, lies, mistaken translations, misunderstandings, misquotes, rumors.....if every potential threat was transmitted to the president for consideration, there'd be no time for tweeterings.

 

it's likely something like this bounty program WAS mentioned somewhere during a random intercepted conversation or a low-level interrogation.  it would have been flagged and researched.  if uncorroborated, it goes in the report up the chain, however many levels depending on the confidence level.  "random guy on the street repeats a rumor he heard in a bar" won't make into the president's daily briefing.

 

you think every single time the russians collect an american soldier on their cellphone saying "we oughta nuke moskao," a report goes directly to emperor putin to consider retaliation?

[mtls2005]

trump is a busy guy, he doesn't have time to read a one-pager (per issue) PDB.

 

Monday, two days ago, was a rough one with a single activity: Lunch with the VP.

 

Back in Feb - when the bounties were first raised in his PDB- trump was super busy meeting with Diamond and Silk, and the same day had a 45-minute meeting with producers behind a dramatized play about ex-FBI members Peter Strzok and Lisa Page

 

Here he is getting a "readout" from flotus this week.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

The issue is no longer that Trump lied about this, it’s not even why did he lie, lying is what he does.

 

The question is now why did Trump

fail to take action and why did he continue to lobby in favor of Russia?

 

Questions that clearly don’t bother his dwindling base but which are troubling for patriots, Republican and Democrat alike.

 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

do you know how intel works?  do you how raw information is processed?  do you have any idea how much garbage is to be found amongst the massive ammount of communications hoovered up by our intel agencies? 

 

99.999% is carp.  the few gems have to go through vetting and verification and corroboration before they get sent up the chain.  there's so much misinformation, disinformation, lies, mistaken translations, misunderstandings, misquotes, rumors.....if every potential threat was transmitted to the president for consideration, there'd be no time for tweeterings.

 

it's likely something like this bounty program WAS mentioned somewhere during a random intercepted conversation or a low-level interrogation.  it would have been flagged and researched.  if uncorroborated, it goes in the report up the chain, however many levels depending on the confidence level.  "random guy on the street repeats a rumor he heard in a bar" won't make into the president's daily briefing.

 

you think every single time the russians collect an american soldier on their cellphone saying "we oughta nuke moskao," a report goes directly to emperor putin to consider retaliation?

He was briefed 3 times since 2019 demonstrating the quality of the intelligence report to be included in the briefs. He didn’t act on it; that’s the travesty. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/30/trump-reportedly-briefed-on-alleged-russian-bounties-at-least-three-times-since-march-2019/#7dae0c6d46af

 

As it seem, each day brought new intelligence information like the money transferred wired to key Taliban leaders by Russia. Intelligence even had their names. Soldiers have been reporting of large cache of money found in Taliban hideouts. The intelligence is credible by many sources and yet Trump act indifferent and intend to invite Putin to US G7 meeting. 

 

 

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

He was briefed 3 times since 2019 demonstrating the quality of the intelligence report to be included in the briefs. He didn’t act on it; that’s the travesty. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/30/trump-reportedly-briefed-on-alleged-russian-bounties-at-least-three-times-since-march-2019/#7dae0c6d46af

 

As it seem, each day brought new intelligence information like the money transferred wired to key Taliban leaders by Russia. Intelligence even had their names. Soldiers have been reporting of large cache of money found in Taliban hideouts. The intelligence is credible by many sources and yet Trump act indifferent and intend to invite Putin to US G7 meeting. 

 

 

oh man, he did (does) pay attention to any/all reports received, he's so worried about the orange tan that he forgets the basics

[Morch]

On 6/30/2020 at 12:25 PM, Mavideol said:

typical reaction from any head of government, complete denial of any wrong doing..... he denies being informed, Putin denies being involved, did anybody expected anything else from them??? I didn't

 

I expect a better class of denials. He's doing it wrong. The usual play is getting old. Shouting fake news, blaming the democrats and immediately making strong claims stuff didn't happen. It's a routine, and IMO, lived out it's effectiveness by now. Might work for some - mostly his base and Putin fans.

 

Best people? The best people would have known that flat out denying this could be countered. The best people would have advised for initiating an investigation which could have seen this delayed post elections. Them best people would know to avoid moves highlighting partisanship on this one, as it detracts from the President's position and plays into rival's hands. These best people should have made it clear to him this was potentially a big deal.

 

Putin, now....there's a man who can deny with style. Short comments, no drama, let it sink in the infinite sea of information and news. A bit later, if he feels like it, he might repeat the denial with a shade of a smile.

[Morch]

18 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

Boy is this confusing.  

 

On the one hand the left wants to sell the meme that Trump is a Russian stooge.  Well if so - why would Russia offer bounties to kill US soldiers making Trump look bad?  What's the gain here for Russia or Trump?  Is he their enemy or stooge?  Can't have it both ways.

 

On the other hand the taliban has always been in the business of killing any western troops regardless of who is president.  So why would Russia need to offer bounties?  Like they would change their intent?  Suddenly that easy target of Americans is hit because NOW they get some cash from Russia?  

 

Then the question many have of why didn't Trump hear or respond to the briefing about Russian offered bounties.  Well, if there WAS no offered bounties and therefore no corresponding briefing to the never happened event he wouldn't have missed much.  And it seems that the US government denies such an event.  The Russians deny such an event.  Heck I haven't even heard corroboration from the Taliban not that I'd put much stock in anything they said.  

 

I have no love for Trump.  Or Obama.  Or Clinton.  Or Bush.  But jeez at least use some rational logical thinking on these conspiracies.  This one makes no sense at all.  Applying occams razor it seems more likely that this is yet another false story to fill the news cycle.  Our media sucks.  If they have no corroboration that this actually happened it should never have been released.  

 

 

 

 

If entertaining the notion that Trump is a Russian stooge, then his "purpose" isn't necessarily to succeed or fail, but rather to act in a manner weakening the USA. Widening internal divisions, damaging relations with foreign allies, disengaging from international agreements and organizations and so on and so forth. That's without the added value of Trump, as in the person and personality, doing all of the above in his unique style.

 

As for the Taliban, addressed earlier in topic. Yes, perhaps they do not need incentives. But I don't think that most similar outfits reject such extras either.

 

The waffle bit about it never happened and that's why Trump is in the clear - yeah, just that this doesn't fit the information released or statements aired. Read the topic, read links provided.

 

"I have no love for Trump."

 

 

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

If entertaining the notion that Trump is a Russian stooge, then his "purpose" isn't necessarily to succeed or fail, but rather to act in a manner weakening the USA. Widening internal divisions, damaging relations with foreign allies, disengaging from international agreements and organizations and so on and so forth. That's without the added value of Trump, as in the person and personality, doing all of the above in his unique style.

 

As for the Taliban, addressed earlier in topic. Yes, perhaps they do not need incentives. But I don't think that most similar outfits reject such extras either.

 

The waffle bit about it never happened and that's why Trump is in the clear - yeah, just that this doesn't fit the information released or statements aired. Read the topic, read links provided.

 

"I have no love for Trump."

 

 

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[Morch]

18 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

you missed the beauty of the setup.  in order to get to the bottom of this, we need.................an investigation.

 

and jinkies!  we'll have to be extra thorough about it!  shucks, it might not be over until......oh. lessee.......mid-november?

 

There's a setup. Got to be. Because Trump would never. Putin would never. Sure.

 

And investigations near elections times? The villains. Neither Trump nor the Republicans would stoop to such lows. If one lives in la la land. Or pretends to forget pretty recent events.

 

Guess the best course of action would be not looking into it? Or perhaps only after the elections? Or maybe just decide it's a hoax and call it a day?

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

He was briefed 3 times since 2019 demonstrating the quality of the intelligence report to be included in the briefs. He didn’t act on it; that’s the travesty. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/30/trump-reportedly-briefed-on-alleged-russian-bounties-at-least-three-times-since-march-2019/#7dae0c6d46af

 

As it seem, each day brought new intelligence information like the money transferred wired to key Taliban leaders by Russia. Intelligence even had their names. Soldiers have been reporting of large cache of money found in Taliban hideouts. The intelligence is credible by many sources and yet Trump act indifferent and intend to invite Putin to US G7 meeting. 

 

 

 

sure, you can believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it.  i shall wait for evidence to be produced.  so far just evidence-free claims.

 

"according to reports from the New York Times and the Associated Press" doesn't qualify as sufficient evidence.  all we have so far are unsubstantiated claims.  your link provides nothing on the names or the amounts of cash wired to the taliban by russia.  that i'd like to see!!!

 

do you have anything signed off on by real people?  or just gonna rely on "unnamed officials claim"?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

sure, you can believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it.  i shall wait for evidence to be produced.  so far just evidence-free claims.

 

"according to reports from the New York Times and the Associated Press" doesn't qualify as sufficient evidence.  all we have so far are unsubstantiated claims.  your link provides nothing on the names or the amounts of cash wired to the taliban by russia.  that i'd like to see!!!

 

do you have anything signed off on by real people?  or just gonna rely on "unnamed officials claim"?

OK I get your point, you want some hard evidence and don’t accept reports in papers/media across the political spectrum, that’s entirely your choice.

 

But these allegations are extremely serious, you would be well advised to consider what will your response be if they are reliably demonstrated to be true.

 

At the very least you should consider taking a position that allows for the possibility that the allegations are true.

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

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"according to reports from the New York Times and the Associated Press" doesn't qualify as sufficient evidence. 

It does. It just doesn’t for you. And if you’re expecting that any of those media outlets exposes their sources, potentially putting them at risk, for some nutjobs who live in a video game fantasy world of alternative facts and conspiracy theories, then it’s just not worth it. We can’t entertain every nutjob who believes the moon doesn’t exist until he has personally travelled there. We need to accept that people like them exist and that we cannot help them. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[ChouDoufu]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

OK I get your point, you want some hard evidence and don’t accept reports in papers/media across the political spectrum, that’s entirely your choice.

 

But these allegations are extremely serious, you would be well advised to consider what will your response be if they are reliably demonstrated to be true.

 

At the very least you should consider taking a position that allows for the possibility that the allegations are true.

 

 

 

i don't believe i've claimed they are false, only that they have not been proven to be true.

 

if the reports WERE deemed credible, and trump WAS briefed on this, AND he chose to ignore it, he needs to suffer the fate of all traitors.

 

good enough?

 

but so far, we've got one paper with a blockbuster report (minus sources and details and evidence), and a hundred others writing "the report says."

 

no, it's all "officials claim."  there's no print out of a daily briefing with the info circled.  there are no named officials publicly saying they did brief trump.  even bolton won't say he briefed trump on this, and he denies knowing any details.  i'd expect to see the moskau pee tape before anything of substance appears on this one.

 

 

[metisdead]

Some bickering posts and replies have been removed. 

[bangsaenguy]

Surely, copies of briefs given him have duplicates. If a duplicate does not show that he was in formed, he is innocent. If a brief shows he was informed, he should be tried for treason

[shdmn]

Do not believe: NATO allies, US Intelligence Services, US Military, Congressional Republicans and Democrats, Staff from the White House.

DO believe a compulsive liar with a school girl crush on Putin.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by shdmn