20 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

Stadtler reported him.  Stadtler loves those who do nothing but insult yet provide no proof of their claim.

Being a tattle tale doesn't become Stadtler.

Stadtler has some experience with making a 100 percent Thai Citizen also a USA Citizen via a consular report at birth.

 

Stadtler's minor Stadtler cannot be President of the United States.  Little Stadtler was neither born in the Embassy nor in the USA. 

1 minute ago, Stadtler said:

You are trying too hard.  Desperation never looks convincing.

Oh, come on, you have to admire my wit. Go ahead and give me a like.

34 minutes ago, Excel said:

An exemplary and brave lady indeed. Better not push the Thai/American connection to much as simple searches reveal the it was her American Father responsible for her upbringing, not her Thai Mum who abandoned her apparently. 

Ouch, hadn't read that. Her father clearly did a good job. She's really bright and easy to like (which can't be said of some of the others on Biden's shortlist).

The exact definition of natural born citizen has never been settled in court. So it is still somewhat ambiguous. John McCain had a similar issue as he was born in the Panama Canal zone. 

8 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

Stadtler has some experience with making a 100 percent Thai Citizen also a USA Citizen via a consular report at birth.

 

Stadtler's minor Stadtler cannot be President of the United States.  Little Stadtler was neither born in the Embassy nor in the USA. 

And what part of squired US citizenship at birth do you not understand - person is natural born (US by birth) and can be president if elected.

2 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Oh, come on, you have to admire my wit. Go ahead and give me a like.

Stadtler nor Mrs. Stadtler is impressed.  Color both of Stadtler as not amused and a bit bored.

 

Pardon Stadtler while he yawns laboriously.

Just now, lopburi3 said:

And what part of squired US citizenship at birth do you not understand - person is natural born (US by birth) and can be president if elected.

What part of what is written on the form do you not understand?

 

Stadtler is a natural born citizen.  Stadtler's child is not.

 

It doesn't say Stadtler's child acquired natural citizenship at birth, rather it says the young Stadtler acquired citizenship.

 

Read what you want, but you should remove the rose colored glasses.

42 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

Unless she was birthed at the US Embassy in Bangkok, she started life as a 100 percent Thai Citizen.

 

... 

Nonsense.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The exact definition of natural born citizen has never been settled in court. So it is still somewhat ambiguous. John McCain had a similar issue as he was born in the Panama Canal zone. 

John McCain was born in the ceded portion of the canal zone which was ceded to the USA from Panama.  John McCain was born in America.

 

When Stadtler visits the US Embassy in Bangkok, he steps onto American soil.

 

What is the purpose of being so obtuse?

Just now, Jingthing said:

Nonsense.

Write that word 100 times and it will have no more weight than writing it once.

 

It's a featherweight response.

Just now, Stadtler said:

What part of what is written on the form do you not understand?

 

Stadtler is a natural born citizen.  Stadtler's child is not.

 

It doesn't say Stadtler's child acquired natural citizenship at birth, rather it says the young Stadtler acquired citizenship.

 

Read what you want, but you should remove the rose colored glasses.

Not my glasses but the way the court has ruled in recent years.  Natural meaning is by birth under most current rulings.

2 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Not my glasses but the way the court has ruled in recent years.  Natural meaning is by birth under most current rulings.

Which court?

1 minute ago, Stadtler said:

Which court?

5 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

What part of what is written on the form do you not understand?

 

Stadtler is a natural born citizen.  Stadtler's child is not.

 

It doesn't say Stadtler's child acquired natural citizenship at birth, rather it says the young Stadtler acquired citizenship.

 

Read what you want, but you should remove the rose colored glasses.

Stadtler's child might have been if he had been employed by his Govt (ie military, diplomat etc posted to LoS) on the day the child was born.

HTH

(We Brits define it as 'Crown Service')

I think she would be a good and a smart choice for VP.  Solid record, smart, served her country, a Mom, experienced politician and seems in touch with reality and a bit of sense about her. Hard to say that about many politicians in the US. 

1 hour ago, Stadtler said:

She cannot become President.  She was not born on American soil. 

 

Full stop. 

 

She will not be chosen.

Wait for Trump to say "She doesn't have a leg to stand on". Oh wait, that would be a Biden style gaffe.

Troll, inflammatory posts and replies removed.

 

32 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Which decision?

39 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Not my glasses but the way the court has ruled in recent years.  Natural meaning is by birth under most current rulings.

At birth, Stadtler's offspring was 100 percent Thai. 

The topic starts with Thai-American, not American-Thai.

 

The topic reflects the proper order of things.  Duckworth was born a Thai.  She is a naturalized American, that it is retroactive to her birth does not convey upon her natural born Citizenship.

 

Naturalized yes, natural no.

 

She cannot be President.

 

Again, Full Stop.

2 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

At birth, Stadtler's offspring was 100 percent Thai. 

Being born on Thai soil does not make you a citizen - your child was 100 percent Thai and US based on parents citizenship.  That Embassy report of birth say that he is US by birth.

2 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

The topic starts with Thai-American, not American-Thai.

 

The topic reflects the proper order of things.  Duckworth was born a Thai.  She is a naturalized American, that it is retroactive to her birth does not convey upon her natural born Citizenship.

 

Naturalized yes, natural no.

 

She cannot be President.

 

Again, Full Stop.

She is not naturalized - she is a citizen by birth just as your child is.  

It has never been challenged by at the SCOTUS but she is a natural born citizen of the united states.

Even MacCain was born in the Canal Zone. I was born on a foreign military base to two US parents too.

Even Obama, who nobody ever denied his Mother was American is a natural born citizen of the US and it does not matter who is father is or where he was born. Kenya, Hawaii, The South Pole, or anywhere else.

Here's another piece, written by two former US Solicitor Generals, Neal Katyal (under Barack Obama) and Paul Clement (under George W Bush).  They note that the argument that a natural US citizen cannot be born abroad is a spurious one:

 

"We have both had the privilege of heading the Office of the Solicitor General during different administrations. We may have different ideas about the ideal candidate in the next presidential election, but we agree on one important principle: voters should be able to choose from all constitutionally eligible candidates, free from spurious arguments that a U.S. citizen at birth is somehow not constitutionally eligible to serve as President simply because he was delivered at a hospital abroad."

 

And precedence is clear that:

"... the original meaning of the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent."

https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Being born on Thai soil does not make you a citizen - your child was 100 percent Thai and US based on parents citizenship.  That Embassy report of birth say that he is US by birth.

Stadtler is baffled by this statement.  Mrs. Stadtler is flummoxed. Little Stadtler wants to know why you are all quoting non-existent law and precedent.

 

Little Stadtler has an IQ over 156 and will start law school soon. 

 

According to Thai Law, little Stadtler started out life as a Thai.  Little Stadtler has a Thai passport and ID. 

 

If Stadtler had not gone to the embassy of the USA to naturalize wee Stadtler, the little Stadtler would still only be Thai.

 

Full Stop.

 

Stadtler is most dismayed at the results of our current education system up some of the adults here.

 

21 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

The topic starts with Thai-American, not American-Thai.

 

The topic reflects the proper order of things.  Duckworth was born a Thai.  She is a naturalized American, that it is retroactive to her birth does not convey upon her natural born Citizenship.

 

Naturalized yes, natural no.

 

She cannot be President.

 

Again, Full Stop.

That order is the American custom of indicating national/ethnic background which could be generations ago.

Such as Italian American, etc.

 

Coincidentally, Duckworth shares a connection with our great president Barack Obama to Indonesia, Illinois, and Hawaii. 

 

I don't think she will be the pick. Just a feeling. But maybe.

6 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Here's another piece, written by two former US Solicitor Generals, Neal Katyal (under Barack Obama) and Paul Clement (under George W Bush).

A piece of what?

 

Your "piece" has not pedigree.

 

 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 

Like I said it was confusing since the requirement said natural born 

Natural born what does it mean ?

This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence according to wiki

 

Your question is one that has beguiled legal scholars from the country's inception. There was no debate concerning Article II, Section 2, leaving it difficult to divine "intent", nor have there been higher court rulings on the matter. Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican nominee for president, would possibly have faced a court challenge by Democrats, had he won the election, as he was born in the Arizona Territory prior to statehood. More recently, in his bid for the Republican nomination for the 2008 election, John McCain was declared by a Senate resolution to be "natural born" although he was born of US citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.

 

If Senator Duckworth were to be selected by Biden as VP candidate, I would expect a reprise of the campaign to question her eligibility in the same gruesome manner in which they attacked the eligibility of President Obama. 

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's nonsense.

That order is the American custom of indicating national background which could be generations ago.

Such as Italian American, etc.

Interesting that you are so bothered by the order.  I'd love to have you as a patient.