Trump says coronavirus under control as U.S. death toll rises

[ChouDoufu]

155,000 dead americans.

 

well, it is what it is.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

155,000 dead americans.

 

well, it is what it is.

If they ever build a tiny presidential library for the trump "presidency" that quote should be above the door; "It is what it is".

[ChouDoufu]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If they ever build a tiny presidential library for the trump "presidency" that quote should be above the door; "It is what it is".

 

library?  at this rate he'll be lucky to get a reading room at a strip mall.

 

it is what it is.  155,000 fellow citizens had friends and family that will be voting, and they'll be thinking about this comment when they mail in their ballots.

 

it was what it was.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If they ever build a tiny presidential library for the trump "presidency" that quote should be above the door; "It is what it is".

Right under 'I take no responsibility at all'.

[Eric Loh]

25 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If they ever build a tiny presidential library for the trump "presidency" that quote should be above the door; "It is what it is".

Will be quite appropriate on his cell wall; "it is what it is". 

[ChouDoufu]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Will be quite appropriate on his cell wall; "it is what it is". 

 

how large a room will be needed to house the books various DA's will be throwing at the ex-president?

[johnnybangkok]

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[Logosone]

24 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

library?  at this rate he'll be lucky to get a reading room at a strip mall.

 

it is what it is.  155,000 fellow citizens had friends and family that will be voting, and they'll be thinking about this comment when they mail in their ballots.

 

it was what it was.

I don't think you can lay the blame for a once in a lifetime virus pandemic on Donald Trump.

 

The US response has been sub-par, but because of the CDC producing test kits too late, then not producing ones that worked. It has been a scientific failure in the US, like in the UK, but not a political failure. 

 

Trump is not to blame for the virus.

[keith101]

2 hours ago, animalmagic said:

You cannot realistically use the ratio of deaths per number of cases as a representative figure to show how well they are doing.  The number of cases is not a constant and, as 45 himself claims, they do more testing than anybody else in the world and therefore find more cases.  USA has a pretty good health system and should, hopefully, be more effective in treatment preventing death.  End result is the number of deaths can be kept lower whilst the number testing positive is only getting higher.  An engineered statistic to show how well they are doing.  Today 100 deaths per 1000 cases is 1 in 10, tomorrow 200 deaths per 4000 cases is 1 in 20!

Number of deaths per population is the more accurate as the health system, as said before, is providing good care and reducing deaths whilst the baseline figure of total population is a constant and provides a valid comparison. 

Sounds like someone was told to find some figures to justify his claims.

The US is only 18th in the world for testing per population which is how it is actually calculated , so he was wrong about that as he is about everything related to the Corona Virus and deaths mean nothing to a Psychopath like Donald . 

[mtls2005]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Right under 'I take no responsibility at all'.

 

And next to "I really don't care. Do you?"

 

Classy couple arent't they?

 

 

 

 

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, keith101 said:

The US is only 18th in the world for testing per population which is how it is actually calculated , so he was wrong about that as he is about everything related to the Corona Virus and deaths mean nothing to a Psychopath like Donald . 

He obviously meant per million population. However on that measure I understand the UK and Russia test more than the US. It has to be said though the US test more than any other nation on earth except the UK and Russia, per million figures.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Logosone

[mtls2005]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Trump is not to blame for the virus.

 

Exactly.

 

Various place, people, things trump has blamed via tweet:

 

China

Obama

Past Presidents

Fauci

Birx

The Media

Governors

General Motors

Hospitals

 

 

[Enoon]

48 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If they ever build a tiny presidential library for the trump "presidency" that quote should be above the door; "It is what it is".

 

And over the Medicine and Health section (610 in the Dewey Library Classification system)......."Just Flu"

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

 

I actually checked Germany earlier, turns out there is a small rise in case numbers recently as well.

 

Spain as well. 

You can see 'small rises' in a lot of countries but with the US there has been nothing but rises. It hasn't gone down in 6 months and it is still in it's 1st wave.

[EVENKEEL]

Lots can happen in 3 mos. The US has time to get covid under control, the stock market is cruising along. People vote with their pocket books, if Trump can get a handle on unemployment he will still have a chance. Amazing, no.

[Logosone]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You can see 'small rises' in a lot of countries but with the US there has been nothing but rises. It hasn't gone down in 6 months and it is still in it's 1st wave.

Well, cases in the US may have started to fall now, we'll have to see:

[JulesMad]

8 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

"It is what it is."

 

 

Best President ever.

 

 

You call that organism (can't call it human!) a president?!? Biggest lying idiot in human history.... He has NEVER said anything true....

[natway09]

According to the goose it has always been under control.

The fact that it is not & never was is not relevant to him.

Why spoil a good story with the facts.

He has always led from behind on this one, rather than at least show some sympathy which is impossible for this man, Hopefully, if the people have half a brain, he will be gone next year

 

[mtls2005]

trump attends first Coronavirus Pandemic Task Force meeting since April.

 

Steady fella, don't overdue it.

 

 

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Lots can happen in 3 mos. The US has time to get covid 19 under control, the stock market is cruising along. People vote with their pocket books, if Trump can get a handle on unemployment he will still have a chance. Amazing, no.

Yes, it is truly amazing believing trump cold get a handle on covid getting under control, in three months. Or that unemployment could possible get better in that same three months. 

[Jonnapat]

That interview was amazing and the Australian interviewer had trump in knots.

Sometimes giving stupid replies and other times ignoring the questions. 

I said "amazing" but truthfully so embarrassing. 

[Pib]

This twitter post sums up Donald's COVID leadership

[EVENKEEL]

27 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Yes, it is truly amazing believing trump cold get a handle on covid getting under control, in three months. Or that unemployment could possible get better in that same three months. 

I understand that's what the dems are banking on,

[Siamjim]

however again we see only what they want us to see...they never mentioned the recovery rate has also gone up in the 2.5 mil

 

[bunnydrops]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Lots can happen in 3 mos. The US has time to get covid under control, the stock market is cruising along. People vote with their pocket books, if Trump can get a handle on unemployment he will still have a chance. Amazing, no.

That is unfortunately true but we can hope enough people evolve to vote with their brains. 

[bunnydrops]

18 minutes ago, Siamjim said:

however again we see only what they want us to see...they never mentioned the recovery rate has also gone up in the 2.5 mil

 

If you don't die you have only one other choice.

[ThaiFelix]

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Trump would still say the coronavirus is under control even if he was the last man on earth and everyone else had died of corona. He's beginning to remind me of that Iraqi minister of information (or spokesman for the Iraqi goverment, something like that) at the beginning of the first Gulf War. He was giving press conferences and assuring everyone that everything was under control and that Iraq was not under attack, while outside you could hear the air raid alarms and bombs and missiles exploding.

His name was Tariq Aziz.  But dont forget Aziz would have had a gun to his head to lie like he did.......Trump does it freely!

[ThaiFelix]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

I sincerely believe it's his ego/narcissism that overrides everyone else's advice. I also think HE believes he did a great job at this and all previous horror shows. All Biden has to do is lay low, not make any blunders, and he will sail into the oval.

I totally agree.  Its denial based on his ego/narcissism.  Have a look at the bodylanguage in the pic in the OP.  Arms crossed tightly across the chest refusing to accept anything other than his own opinion.

[Shaunduhpostman]

https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

 

Also a link to another source with more from Guptera and others such as nobel laureate and Stanford professor Dr. Michael Levitt who has based on classic epidemiology modelling and prediction created by William Farr put  August 25th as the date COVID19 will be essentially done with. He has been correct in his predictions about China and Sweden to his credit: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-3-0-its-over/?itm_term=home

 

(Irony/Sarcasm alert for the first sentence) Interview with conspiracy theorist,  frothing at the mouth ranting raving  menace  to society, Dr.  Sunetra Gupta, who probably used to date Alex Jones, and as a distant secondarily important side note is a professor of epidemiology at Oxford with much in depth and complex nuance to report on herd immunity which is what, along with our own immunity, protects us from being infected by the hundreds of trillions of viruses are present in each every human body and in practically infinite numbers all around us. There is also much in this interview  regarding her contention that to report death totals among vast swaths of populations such as entire nations as large as the UK, and certainly the US and other large countries,  is an incorrect and inaccurate way to get a picture of what is happening with the "virus". To quote Gupta from the article "COVID 3.0- Its Over," "When you think of the US as a whole, you’re missing the fact that the epidemic appears to be over in the north east and growing in the south west. Why would you put them together? There’s no reason to lump a rise in cases in Arizona with everything else." In the article linked above, Guptera elaborates more on this and in a nutshell she says that what is happening with people's immunity and their seroprevalence levels (anything that shows up in a blood test indicating exposure to a virus or whatever is being looked for) is very different from city to country and between different areas of countries, especially as large and diverse geographically and population-wise as the U.S. So to take what I infer is Guptera's perspective, I would assume that the OP is presenting yet another skewed msm/WHO/UN/Big Pharma perspective by using US death rates as a whole to support yet another alarmist position. In another article others present what epidemiology has long known regarding  how flu virus develop more slowly in warmer areas. A video that encapsulates that position based on the work of epidemiologist R. Edgar Hope Simpson:

 

 

And from the interview linked above:

 

Maggie: The expression “herd immunity” has entered the same realms as austerity and Brexit. It has become a sort of danger word because of that whole debate at the very beginning. The minute you say herd immunity, the popular newspapers say you want to kill all the old.

 

Dr. Guptera: It’s just a technical term. It’s just a technical term for the proportion of the population that needs to be immune in order to prevent the disease from spreading, which is the central concept in vaccinations. It’s a fundamental epidemiological concept, which clearly has been subverted. I guess the fact it includes the word herd has made it easier. The truth is that herd immunity is a way of preventing vulnerable people from dying. It is achieved at the expense of some people dying, and we can stop that by preventing the vulnerable class in the process. In an ideal situation, you would protect the vulnerable as best you can, let people go about their business, allow herd immunity to build up, make sure the economy doesn’t crash, make sure the arts are preserved, and make sure qualities of kindness and tolerance remain in place. We live, it seems, in this state of terror. Yes, international travel facilitates the entrance of contagion, but what it also does is it brings immunity."

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Shaunduhpostman
addding a link

[candide]

2 hours ago, Shaunduhpostman said:

https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

 

Also a link to another source with more from Guptera and others such as nobel laureate and Stanford professor Dr. Michael Levitt who has based on classic epidemiology modelling and prediction created by William Farr put  August 25th as the date COVID19 will be essentially done with. He has been correct in his predictions about China and Sweden to his credit: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-3-0-its-over/?itm_term=home

 

(Irony/Sarcasm alert for the first sentence) Interview with conspiracy theorist,  frothing at the mouth ranting raving  menace  to society, Dr.  Sunetra Gupta, who probably used to date Alex Jones, and as a distant secondarily important side note is a professor of epidemiology at Oxford with much in depth and complex nuance to report on herd immunity which is what, along with our own immunity, protects us from being infected by the hundreds of trillions of viruses are present in each every human body and in practically infinite numbers all around us. There is also much in this interview  regarding her contention that to report death totals among vast swaths of populations such as entire nations as large as the UK, and certainly the US and other large countries,  is an incorrect and inaccurate way to get a picture of what is happening with the "virus". To quote Gupta from the article "COVID 3.0- Its Over," "When you think of the US as a whole, you’re missing the fact that the epidemic appears to be over in the north east and growing in the south west. Why would you put them together? There’s no reason to lump a rise in cases in Arizona with everything else." In the article linked above, Guptera elaborates more on this and in a nutshell she says that what is happening with people's immunity and their seroprevalence levels (anything that shows up in a blood test indicating exposure to a virus or whatever is being looked for) is very different from city to country and between different areas of countries, especially as large and diverse geographically and population-wise as the U.S. So to take what I infer is Guptera's perspective, I would assume that the OP is presenting yet another skewed msm/WHO/UN/Big Pharma perspective by using US death rates as a whole to support yet another alarmist position. In another article others present what epidemiology has long known regarding  how flu virus develop more slowly in warmer areas. A video that encapsulates that position based on the work of epidemiologist R. Edgar Hope Simpson:

 

 

And from the interview linked above:

 

Maggie: The expression “herd immunity” has entered the same realms as austerity and Brexit. It has become a sort of danger word because of that whole debate at the very beginning. The minute you say herd immunity, the popular newspapers say you want to kill all the old.

 

Dr. Guptera: It’s just a technical term. It’s just a technical term for the proportion of the population that needs to be immune in order to prevent the disease from spreading, which is the central concept in vaccinations. It’s a fundamental epidemiological concept, which clearly has been subverted. I guess the fact it includes the word herd has made it easier. The truth is that herd immunity is a way of preventing vulnerable people from dying. It is achieved at the expense of some people dying, and we can stop that by preventing the vulnerable class in the process. In an ideal situation, you would protect the vulnerable as best you can, let people go about their business, allow herd immunity to build up, make sure the economy doesn’t crash, make sure the arts are preserved, and make sure qualities of kindness and tolerance remain in place. We live, it seems, in this state of terror. Yes, international travel facilitates the entrance of contagion, but what it also does is it brings immunity."

 

 

 

The interview from Prof. Gupta is quite interesting and is worth reading. We can only hope she is right. However:

- the role T cells may play is just starting to be investigated,

- she is herself quite cautious and calls her hypothesis a possibility among other possibilities (other hypotheses). as any scientist does.

I am also a bit puzzled about one fact. If there is a high cross-immunity from previous coronaviruses, older people would be more immune, as was the case with H1N1 or the Spanish Flu. It's not the case with Covid-19.

 

About the lockdown issue:

- one of the main aim of lockdowns was to prevent hospitals from being overloaded, and to prevent an horrific situation in which people may have died without care in hospitals' corridors.

- it has been done in a context of shortage of protective and other equipment, no knowledge on how to treat this disease, and most of it nearly no knowledge about the virus itself. In this context, delaying as long as possible was a sound strategy.

So lockdown has been a good decision in this particular context. It may be criticised ex-post thanks to new knowledge (I.e. Gupta's research, in case it is confirmed by other studies).

 

PS. I don't see anything in Gupta's interview supporting any conspiracy theory.

Edited August 5, 2020 by candide