UK concerned by rise in small boats crossing from France, immigration official says

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

I think they relinquished that right once they left France, so i think you'l find they are illegals

Why do they relinquish that right when they leave France?  They are still seeking asylum.

[Heppinger]

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

Why do they relinquish that right when they leave France?  They are still seeking asylum.

Yeah i dont think window shopping for "safety" is written into law yet.

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No they arent. They are incorrectly calked illegals as an emotive call.

 

They request asylum, so until they are found to be refused asylum they are legal.

 

Nonsense. They stop being an asylum seeker once they leave the first safe country they enter and illegally enter other countries, often via the services of criminal traffickers.

 

They become criminals once they deliberately break laws in their quest to pick and choose which country they fancy sponging off.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Why do they relinquish that right when they leave France?  They are still seeking asylum.

 

The become criminals once they leave the first safe country they arrive in and criminals once they illegally enter or try to illegally enter another country.

 

They aren't allowed to pick and choose which country they fancy based on what benefits are offered. 

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

France is not the Soviet Union. People are free to leave whenever they want. 

 

 

So France doesn't have any passport or immigration checks on those leaving? Doesn't mind if you board a boat, ferry, plane or Euro train without any ID, or approriate visas?

 

PS - the Soviet Union hasn't existed for many years. 

[Sheryl]

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[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So France doesn't have any passport or immigration checks on those leaving? Doesn't mind if you board a boat, ferry, plane or Euro train without any ID, or approriate visas?

Boarding a boat isn’t illegal and you don’t need a passport check or visa for that. So what do you expect the French police to do? 

 

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The bull <deleted> HR lawyers trying to cash in on the act again.

 

Time the government got a spine. Criminals forfeit their HR when they willingly decided to become criminals. The RN and BF should blockade them as the Aussies did. Any who do get through should be interred pending return to France or return to their country of origin. No ifs or but, no exceptions.

 

France, as usual lily liver and happy to shove the problem elsewhere needs to be much harder to about stopping these illegals leaving France and returning them to either the first country they entered the EU or country of origin.<SNIP>

I snipped your rant. Lobby your MP to update HMG refugee / asylum seeker law, exit the UN Convention for Refugees etc.

 

If I am permitted...It has cost the Oz government billions for offshore detention, actually the highest cost worldwide per person. Oz still has people detained offshore, at a huge cost, because governments are unwilling to accept them. PNG government has requested the OZ government to close down the detention camps as assessed by their Supreme Court as in breach of internationally accepted HR law. BTW the majority were assessed as genuine refugees, so Oz has legally assessed refugees currently held in indefinite detention - good eh?

[Heppinger]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Boarding a boat isn’t illegal and you don’t need a passport check or visa for that. So what do you expect the French police to do? 

 

i think the french police wanted to spoil any chance these Africans have in training for the Sydney to Hobart yacht race.

[dunroaming]

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

[sirocco]

bah! roo860, the police did well not to show up.
If she had been involved, illegals and human rights associations would have filed a complaint for obstructing freedom not to reach the country of their choice.
And the police would have had 3 months suspended prison sentence.
This is France.
And the law is that of foreigners.
Good luck to those who live there.

[Heppinger]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I snipped your rant. Lobby your MP to update HMG refugee / asylum seeker law, exit the UN Convention for Refugees etc.

 

If I am permitted...It has cost the Oz government billions for offshore detention, actually the highest cost worldwide per person. Oz still has people detained offshore, at a huge cost, because governments are unwilling to accept them. PNG government has requested the OZ government to close down the detention camps as assessed by their Supreme Court as in breach of internationally accepted HR law. BTW the majority were assessed as genuine refugees, so Oz has legally assessed refugees currently held in indefinite detention - good eh?

were they the same refugee's that were molesting young children and harassing women on manus island?

[sirocco]

Dunroaming, hello

 

Frankly, comparing Thais to Africans, you're going a little hard.
You don't have to know the African people, although sometimes I find a bit of similarity between these two countries. But so little.

[Heppinger]

14 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

Thinks immigration and integration are just different spelling variations.  I take it you live with your wife and son in an area with a high African and Middle Eastern population?  Or is it a nice mostly white rural setting? 

[simple1]

26 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

were they the same refugee's that were molesting young children and harassing women on manus island?

Nasty individual aren't you. Possibly off topic, maybe the Mods will permit, because there are criminals involved in the OP situation as traffickers, plus many asylum seeker children have been disappeared in the EU, back in 2016 estimated at 10,000.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/30/fears-for-missing-child-refugees#:~:text=At least 10%2C000 unaccompanied child,the EU's criminal intelligence agency.&text=Brian Donald said 5%2C000 children,were unaccounted for in Sweden.

 

I would assume there were some criminals in the detention population, as there are in all groups of people; they would not be put up for resettlement by the UNHCR and would serve prison time. On the other side of the coin female detainees have been sexually assaulted, raped and so on by guards and staff.

 

Even in the detention environment, women have been raped, sexually assaulted and harassed by security officers and other staff members paid by the Australian government. The ASRC has records and can provide evidence of these allegations.

 

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/nauru-report/6/

Edited August 8, 2020 by simple1

[bert bloggs]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

Contact your MP

talk to your hand ,about as much use

[bert bloggs]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Nasty individual aren't you. Possibly off topic, maybe the Mods will permit, because there are criminals involved in the OP situation, plus many asylum seeker children have been disappeared in the EU, back in 2016 estimated at 10,000.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/30/fears-for-missing-child-refugees#:~:text=At least 10%2C000 unaccompanied child,the EU's criminal intelligence agency.&text=Brian Donald said 5%2C000 children,were unaccounted for in Sweden.

 

I would assume there were some criminals in the detention population, as there are in all groups of people; they would not be put up for resettlement by the UNHCR and would serve prison time. On the other side of the coin female detainees have been sexually assaulted, raped and so on by guards and staff.

 

Even in the detention environment, women have been raped, sexually assaulted and harassed by security officers and other staff members paid by the Australian government. The ASRC has records and can provide evidence of these allegations.

 

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/nauru-report/6/

Always on the side of refugees and muslims arnt you? never us 

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Always on the side of refugees and muslims arnt you? never us 

 

Unlike a number of people on this forum who come across as dedicated to generalised vilification and spite, I'm 'on the side' of justice and the Rule of Law; thankfully there are also a number of members who have the same attitude as me.

Edited August 8, 2020 by simple1

[tribalfusion001]

42 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

They are not asylum seekers they are economic migrants, they are not the UK's problem. It's not nothing to do with multi cultural country, these people pay €1000s to get in the UK and should be sent back asap.

[Martin71]

Would it be possible under The Freedom of Information Act to get the names and countries of birth, and immigration / residency status of all people in the UK convicted buy a jury in the last 10 years of :

Murder

Serious sexual assault

Human or Drug trafficking

Death by reckless / dangerous driving

I think the result will surprise some who think these poor oppressed people are really good for the country, and should be allowed in.

I have not tried to do this, as I am pretty sure what the results would show.

[johng]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

these people pay €1000s to get in the UK and should be sent back asap.

Yep send them straight back  with a flea in their ear...if they where fleeing from danger they would stop in the first safe country they get to...not risk life and limb crossing the channel in small boats.

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Yep send them straight back  with a flea in their ear...if they where fleeing from danger they would stop in the first safe country they get to...not risk life and limb crossing the channel in small boats.

Exactly and they are third world scum, who knows what they cultural values are.

[steve187]

5 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

It is the UK governments fault...not France, Europe or the immigrants.

 

If the government closed down and arrested the people running the sweat shops, farmers basically using slave labour, stopped local councils housing immigrants or providing help to them, then there would be little to attract the immigrants to the UK in the first place. 

so lets spend thousand of man/women hours doing as you suggest, instead of getting the EU to do their job, and sort the immigration process out, in the first country of arrival.

i don't believe the council house single men, of any colour 

[sungod]

57 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

I turned up legally and paid my own way

[simple1]

15 minutes ago, Martin71 said:

Would it be possible under The Freedom of Information Act to get the names and countries of birth, and immigration / residency status of all people in the UK convicted buy a jury in the last 10 years of :

Murder

Serious sexual assault

Human or Drug trafficking

Death by reckless / dangerous driving

I think the result will surprise some who think these poor oppressed people are really good for the country, and should be allowed in.

I have not tried to do this, as I am pretty sure what the results would show.

 

Gov.uk website can point you in the right direction, obviously not with individual's names

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

"The French must* ensure that migrants who are caught attempting to reach the UK by boat cannot do so again," Philp wrote.

 

*Must?

 

Ought, should, it would be helpful if they..., we would appreciate, please, pretty please....

 

must is adequate and most appropriate, don't forget that the chap is working for the empire

 

Good mouning to you

 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by melvinmelvin
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[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

Yes my Thai wife and my half cast son lived in the UK for many years ,she applied for a visa and came legally ,we lived in my house ,she worked had a NI no and paid tax ,our son went to junior school and i had paid taxes all my life so that he could ,then we came back to live in Thailand again ,i didnt row over i came with money ,with a visa ,and keep money in a Thai bank ,my wife has worked  here ,our son now runs a small company ,we have a house and a car ,purchased with earned money . now about these illigal immigrants who row over from France ,explain to me their value to our country?

how are we hypocrites?

[izod10]

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

It is also worth noting that many of those who make it to the UK are the wealthy, well educated middle and upper class who will, within a few years, assimilate and be of benefit to the UK............many might not be and hence the requirement to screen and return.

Is that right? "assimilate"  just where would that be?  Bradford? Blackburn?Preston?etc?  kebab shop on the hoof, never assimilate ,never, not wanted,never will either,better get shut ASAP. The younger ones as they reach 18  boot them out too

[jesimps]

These people aren't migrants they're illegal migrants attempting to "gatecrash" the country. It's good the politicians have finally twigged, the people have been demanding govt action for many months now. Nigel Farage has been shouting about it until he's blue in the face. These illegals are being bussed to top hotels and some given a tour of Anfield apparently. What message does that convey when they're sending reports of this 5-star treatment to their mates in the countries that they've come from. What a soft touch we've become.

[jesimps]

6 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

It is the UK governments fault...not France, Europe or the immigrants.

 

If the government closed down and arrested the people running the sweat shops, farmers basically using slave labour, stopped local councils housing immigrants or providing help to them, then there would be little to attract the immigrants to the UK in the first place. 

Don't forget the dole and free NHS treatment.