SURVEY: Does Thailand need Submarines?

[Skeptic7]

Thailand already has an abundance of sub-everything. Last thing it needs and certainly cannot afford are submarines. Can't even manage the simple land vehicles! 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, davemos said:

Yes and add the fact theyre old outdated Chinese models .Why buy old outdated subs ? 

Why buy any subs, old or new - - same same, useless 

 

2 hours ago, davemos said:

 

 

[Mavideol]

Thailand does not need submarines, Prayut  does

[Enoon]

7 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The Gulf of Siam isn't deep enough to hide submarines so the second they leave the docks they can be tracked leaving them totally ineffective. 

 

They will be based on the Andaman Coast.

 

China will "help" expand facilities for them (and its own vessels) there.

 

China and India's maritime rivalry has a new flashpoint: the ...

 

 

[keithathome]

New subs, new aircraft, new tanks: keeping all his mates happy so he will be well supported next time !!!!!!!!!

[DUNROAMIN]

10 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Thailand does not need conscripts nor does it need submarines, unless it wants to align itself with the Chinese military.  

 

According to Wikipedia, the Japanese subs did very little during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchanu-class_submarine

One acted as a power source for a tram line after a power plant was bombed by the Allies.  The military only acts in its own interests and can do whatever they want.  Hopefully they will get voted out next time around.  They are an embarrassment to the good people of Thailand. 

 

"Navy Chief of Staff Adm Sittiporn Maskasem said any delay in purchasing the subs could affect the country's marine security and Thailand’s credibility in international trade."    The Chinese are good business people.  They will take slow payments due to the pandemic caused by them.  Marine security from whom?   China?   Again, what an embarrassment.  

They must be worry somebody is going to take over the country for its rich reserves of oil, gas, iron ore, rare metals, gold and silver mines. Amazing Thailand.

[Tagged]

Well it depends wich side they allie with, the west or the Chineese. If they allie with the west, for sure they need subs"

[ThailandRyan]

9 hours ago, dbrenn said:

Other countries' navies have them, so why not Thailand's? 

Thats the age old adage of "Well Johnny has one so I need one". Once again spoiled brat attitudes from the Navy who have an aircraft carrier collecting dust. The Airforce with its Blimb and no its not the Goodyear Blimp for flying over races or sporting events.

[owl sees all]

8 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The Gulf of Siam isn't deep enough to hide submarines so the second they leave the docks they can be tracked leaving them totally ineffective. 

The military are looking to the future. Rising sea levels and all that.

 

Airships and drones are the future.

 

[Neeranam]

To keep good Diplomatic ties with China it's necessary. 

I see nothing wrong with it, this is nothing compared to what the US spend on defense, last year 20 quadrillion baht. 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

To keep good Diplomatic ties with China it's necessary. 

I see nothing wrong with it, this is nothing compared to what the US spend on defense, last year 20 quadrillion baht. 

 

What a world superpower spends on defence is of little relevance to a minor country such as Thailand wishing to purchase ineffective submarines which can operated along one coast.

 

If Thailand wants to maintain diplomatic ties with China handing over the same amount of money as the subs will be equally as useful. 

 

The Subs are a daft idea.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What a world superpower spends on defence is of little relevance to a minor country such as Thailand wishing to purchase ineffective submarines which can operated along one coast.

 

If Thailand wants to maintain diplomatic ties with China handing over the same amount of money as the subs will be equally as useful. 

 

The Subs are a daft idea.

22 billion baht is not a lot of money. 

 

That superpower is massively in debt, Thailand is not. 

 

I really can't see what the fuss is about. 

[ThailandRyan]

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

22 billion baht is not a lot of money. 

 

That superpower is massively in debt, Thailand is not. 

 

I really can't see what the fuss is about. 

Really, you can not see why the fuss, lets see millions out of work, economy tanking and relying supposedly on tourism, and instead of using the money to help the country they go and buy expensive toys which are for the most part old and useless.  Hmmm, lets see, yep nothing wrong with spending richly and rubbing it in those faces of the public who have lost most of what they have because of the Covid lockdowns and then a lack of assistance from there country.

[Bigz]

3 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

A look at the map shows that Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore guard the Street of Malakka, not Thailand.

 

And even if the mighty Thai submarine fleet would rush out to secure foreign shores, what would they expect the enemy to do? Laugh himself to death?

But let them buy their new toys. Money must change hands and that keeps the country running. Sadly they cancelled the deal with the stone old German submarines and took chinese instead.

The subs will be as usefull for Thailand's savety as their proud airplane carrier is.

The Malacca strait (not street of malakka) is just south from the Thai Andaman shores. Much of Thailand's exports and imports goes through that strait. Now obviously you are not a strategic thinker but in case of a conflict with the neighbours be it Malaysia or Myanmar the first logical step would be to block Thailands commercial fleet through the strait. If Thailand had a capable sub fleet it would be very risky to make such a move. Thailand doesn't need to compete with the super powers it only needs to be competitive militarily with its neighbours. Just in case...

 

[IAMHERE]

10 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The Gulf of Siam isn't deep enough to hide submarines so the second they leave the docks they can be tracked leaving them totally ineffective. 

Maybe the western ocean border needs protecting from bad guys.

[IAMHERE]

Well, if for some reason China needs some subs in the region and can't get them there fast enough they could fly submariners into Udapoa and 'rent' chinese made subs locally. I'm sure suitable arrangements could be made with Thai authorities and their good friend China.

[Kinnock]

I think people are being overly harsh on the Junta - have you never accidentally bought some junk from China when browsing Lazada?

 

[GeoMill]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

22 billion baht is not a lot of money. 

 

That superpower is massively in debt, Thailand is not. 

 

I really can't see what the fuss is about. 

Had these been different time's i'd agree with you. But when the Thai economy is falling as hard as it is now because of the global pandemic buying a bunch of useless subs is very irresponsible. Spend the money to help those within Thailand in dire need instead. Bt 22b  is not a lot of money, but it can help out a lot of people. Remember Thailand was supposed to have money to help those that lost their jobs. Only the money was suddenly gone. Probably fell into deep pockets somewere. so it's only a fair trade to give this money back to the people. ????

[3NUMBAS]

luxury yachts parked up in monaco have small subs so let em have some toys

[lamyai3]

Shouldn't option 2 have been:

"Hells no, it's a waste of money!"

[baansgr]

I assume every other country in the world should cease/reduce military expenditure to help it's citizens through Covid times?

[jerolamo]

ho wait... i know now, it is a little "pocket submarines" the for special forces commando divers... the one you can go with one or two commandos inside for a suicide bomb attack mission. Italians divers commando was the first to use it and name was "maiale".

https://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/image/9494?iImg=3

look at this at minute number 6, it is incredible, but they did it. French did it the same later:

there is also some more "modern" submarines from Russian country, ust after the second world war, for at least 2 people inside, it is now used for drug transport in the south america border costs...

 

 

i get it now...

[wotsdermatter]

11 hours ago, fxe1200 said:

We must not forget, that the Royal Navy has maintained and paid an active submarine division for almost 70 years, but has not one submersible ship. Now after all that time, they want to stop twiddling their thumps and insist on that new expensive toy. I believe that the navy should dissolve the division immediately.

Sad to say your comment includes some atrociously false information.  When I served in the R.N. it included a year at H.M.S Dolphin the then submarine base for the R.N.  The Royal Navy Submarine Service was founded in 1901, so that negates the first part of your statement.  They had the largest submarine fleet in the world at the beginning of WWI.  A submersible ship is not a submarine and is a completely different vessel.  Also, submarines are called boats.  Finally, currently, the R.N. has 7 atomic submarines in service.  Always do proper research before putting digits to keyboard.

'nuf sed

 

[pegman]

 Do you actually think they got voted in fairly last election?

[Meat Pie 47]

I guess this topic should be renamed "does Thailand need a new government"

[dbrenn]

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thats the age old adage of "Well Johnny has one so I need one". Once again spoiled brat attitudes from the Navy who have an aircraft carrier collecting dust. The Airforce with its Blimb and no its not the Goodyear Blimp for flying over races or sporting events.

I think that's how national defence works. If other navies have them, so should ours. Most countries do the same. 

[Grumpy John]

9 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

Well, if for some reason China needs some subs in the region and can't get them there fast enough they could fly submariners into Udapoa and 'rent' chinese made subs locally. I'm sure suitable arrangements could be made with Thai authorities and their good friend China.

Is "Udapoa" the name the new secret sub base?  I thought the subs would be parked next to the aircraft carrier at Sattahip. ????

[Blumpie]

***k, why not twelve?  

[Curt1591]

No.

There aren't many protesters at sea!

[a977]

19 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

Thailand doesn't need what the Generals want.

Thailand doesn't need the Generals full stop.