Popular Post Enzian Posted August 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 I spend months in Italy every year (till this year), I read Il Giornale every day, and I offer a few observations. Libya is no longer this summer the main point of departure, though still important. Most coming to Lampedusa are leaving from Tunisia. So their journey to the coast is much shorter, but there are surely paid smugglers still involved, if only to procure the vessels they set out in. Migrants in Italian cities add nothing to the quality of life. My favorite moment was the time in Florence when one I recognized came up to me again to ask again for money, but had to stop when his smart phone went off in his pocket. 15% of Italians live in dire poverty. The government has not enough to help them all. Salvini will go on trial in October for the time when, as Interior Minister, he refused to allow a "rescue" ship dock in Sicily, leaving it sitting aimlessly at sea for several days. The charge is kidnapping. Some significant % of migrants in quarantine centers have Covid. Some of the centers are at 400% capacity. It's easy for individuals to just walk out and away. In some places police (which are relatively few) are instructed not to pursue and return them, in order to avoid a George Floyd incident. The Nigerian Mafia continues to get better and better at pimping and drug dealing, in spite of the disapproval of the local Italian Mafia. I could go on. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post katana Posted August 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 15 hours ago, rooster59 said: Italy sends help to Banksy's overloaded migrant rescue boat By Gavin Jones Virtue signalling with other people's money ie the tax payer who will have to support them. They should all be put up in Banksy's house at his expense for the next 10 years. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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simple1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 12 hours ago, nauseus said: SOLAS also says that rust buckets with a pink panther paint job like this should not go to sea in an unseaworthy condition when crewed by idiots. Who surveyed the vessel and declared it unseaworthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, simple1 said: Who surveyed the vessel and declared it unseaworthy? who surveyed the vessel and declared it seaworthy? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) We have seen this before with Carola Rackete, yet another tatooed, vegan German activist "captain" who was indicted by the Italian authorities, among other things for violence against the Italian authorities. However a female Italian judge dismissed the claim because some incompetent Italian lawyers had referred to the Italian ship as a "war ship", which it was not. Rackete walked free. So it is the same as in the US, left-leaning judges sympathise with the leftist activists and laws are ignored. The Italian prosecution protested the release of Rackete and it went to another court, same result. So basically, if you are a leftist you are free to break the law and do whatever you want, it's the new rules in Italy. No doubt this prosecution against Klemp will be dropped as well. Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 hours ago, simple1 said: Who surveyed the vessel and declared it unseaworthy? It's listed and classed as a pleasure craft - painting "RESCUE" in pink on the side does not change the class or capability of the vessel - even French customs only used it for river and inshore work. These clowns overload it and then have to call for help, which puts even more people into danger. From the reported overhead photos it looks like they had also managed to foul at least one line or cable under the boat, which is probably why they can only make 8 knots today. Luckily for them the weather was flat this time .. but that will change next month. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Banksy has lost the plot. They should throw the book at him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, nauseus said: It's listed and classed as a pleasure craft - painting "RESCUE" in pink on the side does not change the class or capability of the vessel - even French customs only used it for river and inshore work. These clowns overload it and then have to call for help, which puts even more people into danger. From the reported overhead photos it looks like they had also managed to foul at least one line or cable under the boat, which is probably why they can only make 8 knots today. Luckily for them the weather was flat this time .. but that will change next month. I repeat the question... Who surveyed the vessel and declared it unseaworthy? (corrected typo error) The captain is very experienced, plus the crew have previously worked on rescue missions, though they seem to be overwhelmed by the numbers they have saved - better than them drowning due to lack of action by EU. Edited August 31, 2020 by simple1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirocco Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It's simple, Google is my friend. click on search. Ask him the question you just asked nauseus, with great kindness, without forgetting the key words: Banksy -Rescue. Then you will come back and give us the answer. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longchop Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Instead of rescue boats Europe should send a fleet of subs with torpedoes. Problem solved in one month. These criminal scum would not set to sea if they knew they would be sunk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, sirocco said: It's simple, Google is my friend. click on search. Ask him the question you just asked nauseus, with great kindness, without forgetting the key words: Banksy -Rescue. Then you will come back and give us the answer. Thank you I did search and found nothing saying the vessel has been declared unseaworthy. In any case the vessel has a certified sea captain, she wouldn't put to sea with an unseaworthy vessel. There are many claims based upon opinion, masquerading as fact - happy to be proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi Tea Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Ah, so grossly negative stereotyping of immigrants is not an example of racism. Gotcha! No, it isn't and no, you haven't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Longchop said: Instead of rescue boats Europe should send a fleet of subs with torpedoes. Problem solved in one month. These criminal scum would not set to sea if they knew they would be sunk. A problem with that is that the criminals are safe on the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, simple1 said: I did search and found nothing saying the vessel has been declared unseaworthy. In any case the vessel has a certified sea captain, she wouldn't put to sea with an unseaworthy vessel. There are many claims based upon opinion, masquerading as fact - happy to be proven otherwise. The boat is registered as a pleasure craft - that means it is not suitable for the task that is being used for. No doubt the Captain has a skipper's ticket but that will not stop her from making bad decisions, like overloading the boat that she is supposed to be responsible for. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Hi Tea said: No, it isn't and no, you haven't. How would you know, you’ve not been a member long enough to know what other members were saying last month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, simple1 said: I did search and found nothing saying the vessel has been declared unseaworthy. In any case the vessel has a certified sea captain, she wouldn't put to sea with an unseaworthy vessel. There are many claims based upon opinion, masquerading as fact - happy to be proven otherwise. When they crowd too many on, and probably deliberately so they have to be 'rescued' then it's unseaworthy as soon as it sets off Edited August 31, 2020 by Orton Rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi Tea Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: 4 hours ago, Hi Tea said: No, it isn't and no, you haven't. How would you know, you’ve not been a member long enough to know what other members were saying last month. What has how long I've been a member, or what other members were commenting last month got to do with your incorrect assertion of "grossly negative stereotyping of immigrants being racist" ? Reading Thaivisa members' comments is not restricted to members! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, nauseus said: These clowns overload it and then have to call for help, which puts even more people into danger. Sea watch do that on purpose, so they can justifiably claim the Italian coast guard has to rescue their "guests" which then enables them to claim asylum. And thus Sea watch can undo themselves of their human cargo and let EU taxpayers carry the burden of their moral showmanship. This is all just for show. Neither Pia Klemp nor Banksy will have asylum seekers living in their home or pay them a monthly cheque. We, the EU taxpayers can do that for them whilst they let themselves be celebrated in the left press and media. Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 37 minutes ago, Orton Rd said: When they crowd too many on, and probably deliberately so they have to be 'rescued' then it's unseaworthy as soon as it sets off Opinion, no facts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 An inflammatory / troll post has been removed along with a couple of replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Orton Rd said: When they crowd too many on, and probably deliberately so they have to be 'rescued' then it's unseaworthy as soon as it sets off hotline for boatpeople in distress https://alarmphone.org/en/category/news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 6 hours ago, simple1 said: Opinion, no facts facts : migrants pay smugglers to get them to destination, one way or the other , reason why the business is highly profitable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Opl said: facts : migrants pay smugglers to get them to destination, one way or the other , reason why the business is highly profitable. Your comment has nothing to do with my reply to the member. Nobody has denied the existence of people smugglers / trafficker's, what is also know is such people are also involved with additional criminality such as kidnapping for ransom, torture, rape and so on. Edited August 31, 2020 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, simple1 said: Your comment has nothing to do with my reply to the member. Nobody has denied the existence of people smugglers / trafficker's, what is also know is such people are also involved with additional criminality such as kidnapping for ransom, torture, rape and so on. opinions : people who one way or the other smuggle into Europe by sponsoring traffickers activities , as you just mentioned, in the host countries too, are not welcome. The member you replied to was telling facts as they are - I provided a link that proves it- not an opinion, but as they don't fit to your narrative and agenda, you label them as "opinion" , my comment was to state the difference - you just helped me to, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longchop Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 2:23 PM, nauseus said: A problem with that is that the criminals are safe on the beach. The scum dregs that pay the crims to board the boat so they can enter europe illegally and lie and cheat the system are criminals as much as the smugglers. Many are already involved in illegal activity in their home cesspot countries and bring their scams and criminality with them when they invade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Longchop said: The scum dregs that pay the crims to board the boat so they can enter europe illegally and lie and cheat the system are criminals as much as the smugglers. Many are already involved in illegal activity in their home cesspot countries and bring their scams and criminality with them when they invade I can't really agree that these passengers are necessarily criminals when they start their journeys, although many of them may well take up or be forced into criminal activities once and if they arrive at their destinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzian Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, nauseus said: I can't really agree that these passengers are necessarily criminals when they start their journeys, although many of them may well take up or be forced into criminal activities once and if they arrive at their destinations. How can you or the guy you disagree with make any such statements unless you have specific knowledge of a lot of individual cases, or data from reliable surveys? You're just saying how you prefer to see them based on your broader worldview. This is why honest investigative reporting is important. I watch this in Italian, and I can tell you that even good anecdotal evidence is hard to find. If anyone has any anything solid I would appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Enzian said: How can you or the guy you disagree with make any such statements unless you have specific knowledge of a lot of individual cases, or data from reliable surveys? You're just saying how you prefer to see them based on your broader worldview. This is why honest investigative reporting is important. I watch this in Italian, and I can tell you that even good anecdotal evidence is hard to find. If anyone has any anything solid I would appreciate it. Read again and then try and understand what I said. The key word that I used is necessarily. I am actually agreeing with you and also agree that good evidence is hard to find. Edited September 1, 2020 by nauseus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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