Biden condemns Portland violence, says Trump 'recklessly encouraging' it

[Scott]

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[Eric Loh]

Portland went from peaceful to the current state of violence since Trump exacerbated the situation and turning the city into a political pawn. He is creating a false narrative of the federal government rescuing the law abiding citizens of Portland from mob of anarchists. He has enriched the narrative further by using federal law enforcement officials in unmarked vehicles to grab protesters off the streets. He has emboldened police officers to use disproportionate force against peaceful protesters and now he given tacit support to the right wingers to confront the protesters. He is not a leader but an enabler to further his agenda. Biden is right to challenge him to condemn both sides. 

[Sujo]

Trump has called the right wing nutters going in to portland, great patriots.

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Portland went from peaceful to the current state of violence since Trump exacerbated the situation and turning the city into a political pawn. He is creating a false narrative of the federal government rescuing the law abiding citizens of Portland from mob of anarchists. He has enriched the narrative further by using federal law enforcement officials in unmarked vehicles to grab protesters off the streets. He has emboldened police officers to use disproportionate force against peaceful protesters and now he given tacit support to the right wingers to confront the protesters. He is not a leader but an enabler to further his agenda. Biden is right to challenge him to condemn both sides. 

The protesters in Portland went from peaceful to violent because they were whipped up and infiltrated by the most militant ANTIFA cell in the entire USA, Rose City Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

 

This Antifa cell is the oldest and most militant in the United States. What a coincidence that the violence is worst in the city that has the oldest and most militant Antifa cell.

 

And who enabled, supported and encouraged the protesters, and let Antifa run riot in Portland? The Democrats, ie Biden's tribe.

 

If anyone is reponsible for Portland it is Biden and Antifa.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The protesters in Portland went from peaceful to violent because they were whipped up and infiltrated by the most militant ANTIFA cell in the entire USA, Rose City Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

 

This Antifa cell is the oldest and most militant in the United States. What a coincidence that the violence is worst in the city that has the oldest and most militant Antifa cell.

 

And who enabled, supported and encouraged the protesters, and let Antifa run riot in Portland? The Democrats, ie Biden's tribe.

 

If anyone is reponsible for Portland it is Biden and Antifa.

Who is the president. This is happening now under trump, not biden.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, because the Democrats encouraged BLM to run riot, they encouraged ANTIFA to run riot and when Trump wanted to reign in the excess the mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal trooops, the mayor of Washington refused to grant Trump use of the police, the Democrat mayor of Chicago refused Trump's offer to send federal troops.

 

This is happening because Biden's tribe, the Democrats, refused, sabotaged and prevented every attempt by Trump to end this outrageous violence.

No, trump can stop it. He wont do it. In 2016 he stated he will stop the violence and crime.

 

Its funny how this is all under trump and yet he says this is what it will be like under biden.

 

Its here and now under trump, he owns it.

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

No, trump can stop it. He wont do it. In 2016 he stated he will stop the violence and crime.

 

Its funny how this is all under trump and yet he says this is what it will be like under biden.

 

Its here and now under trump, he owns it.

So the left basically enourage BLM to run riot, send their violent street thugs the ANTIFA to burn cars, and when Trump is trying to engage the police the left mayor refuses to allow Trump the use of police, as happened in Washington, or simply outright refuse to co-operate like in Portland or Chicago.

 

It is the leftists who unleashed this violence. It was Trump who tried to fight it.

 

But you're blaming Trump for the violence, like Biden. How dishonest, hypocritical and false.

[Thailand]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

So the left basically enourage BLM to run riot, send their violent street thugs the ANTIFA to burn cars, and when Trump is trying to engage the police the left mayor refuses to allow Trump the use of police, as happened in Washington, or simply outright refuse to co-operate like in Portland or Chicago.

 

It is the leftists who unleashed this violence. It was Trump who tried to fight it.

 

But you're blaming Trump for the violence, like Biden. How dishonest, hypocritical and false.

The buck stops where?

[RoadWarrior371]

19 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Who is the president. This is happening now under trump, not biden.

Looks like a Democratic led city is burning. That is on the local Government. Stop shifting blame.  Local and State Government is directly responsible for Police, Health, welfare.  Executive Branch can make war.  Read up on the powers of Federal vs. State Government.  Actually, read up on a lot. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

So the left basically enourage BLM to run riot, send their violent street thugs the ANTIFA to burn cars, and when Trump is trying to engage the police the left mayor refuses to allow Trump the use of police, as happened in Washington, or simply outright refuse to co-operate like in Portland or Chicago.

 

It is the leftists who unleashed this violence. It was Trump who tried to fight it.

 

But you're blaming Trump for the violence, like Biden. How dishonest, hypocritical and false.

Two paragraphs of nonsense to support a ridiculous conclusion.

 

Trump is campaigning on the allegation that a Biden Presidency will result in violence and lawlessness.

 

The evidence he presents is violence and lawlessness under his own administration.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Thailand said:

The buck stops where?

Trump has already stated where he believes it doesn’t stop.

[chilli42]

Well it certainly has taken the Democrats long enough to realize that supporting the BLM rioters is losing them supporters.  So no it’s all Trump’s fault.  I would happily pin many problems on Trump but blaming him for this situation is just not credible. The Dem’s will say or do anything to be elected (same to be said if the GOP).  

[Peterw42]

41 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No, trump can stop it. He wont do it. In 2016 he stated he will stop the violence and crime.

 

Its funny how this is all under trump and yet he says this is what it will be like under biden.

 

Its here and now under trump, he owns it.

Yes, its amazing the disconnect trump can maintain, He is the president and has been for 4 years, yet any problems are the fault of the previous administration, or the next administration (unless its him) . 

The art of not being responsible for anything.

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Well it certainly has taken the Democrats long enough to realize that supporting the BLM rioters is losing them supporters.  So no it’s all Trump’s fault.  I would happily pin many problems on Trump but blaming him for this situation is just not credible. The Dem’s will say or do anything to be elected (same to be said if the GOP).  

Nobody is supporting ‘rioters’.

 

Away with your nonsense.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

The protesters in Portland went from peaceful to violent because they were whipped up and infiltrated by the most militant ANTIFA cell in the entire USA, Rose City Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

 

This Antifa cell is the oldest and most militant in the United States. What a coincidence that the violence is worst in the city that has the oldest and most militant Antifa cell.

 

And who enabled, supported and encouraged the protesters, and let Antifa run riot in Portland? The Democrats, ie Biden's tribe.

 

If anyone is reponsible for Portland it is Biden and Antifa.

Not a snippet of mention from you on the Patriot Prayer who are no stranger to violence in Portland and link to many racist attacks. How typical of Trump's supporters.  

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

So the left basically enourage BLM to run riot, send their violent street thugs the ANTIFA to burn cars, and when Trump is trying to engage the police the left mayor refuses to allow Trump the use of police, as happened in Washington, or simply outright refuse to co-operate like in Portland or Chicago.

 

It is the leftists who unleashed this violence. It was Trump who tried to fight it.

 

But you're blaming Trump for the violence, like Biden. How dishonest, hypocritical and false.

Dems have denounced the violence.

Trump has the authority to fix it but refuses to do so. He even calls the far right vigilantes great patriots.

 

As usual, he creates chaos, blames everyone else. If he cannot fix it then voting for him will not fix it, why is he saying this is what it will be like under biden when this is what it is under trump.

 

This is trumps america, maga.

[Ireland32]

Faux News , Tucker and Chump are at Fault for flaming this <deleted>, should all be replaced immediately and Closed down 

[RoadWarrior371]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

 

Trump has the authority to fix it but refuses to do so. He even calls the far right vigilantes great patriots.

 

 

You are clearly lathered up for the left, not sure what is going on there, but you seem to have zero understanding of how the USA works regarding separation of powers.  Trump is the Executive branch, he can wage war.  For emergencies, he can intercede in the states, if invited.  However, in Portland, where the local Government owns police, health, local policy, here is their current position:

 

[Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler refused President Trump's offer to send federal law enforcement to the city to control downtown protests that have continued for more than 90 days.

"On behalf of the City of Portland: No thanks," Wheeler wrote in an open letter to Trump Friday. "We don’t need your politics of division and demagoguery."]

 

I will not address the rest of your ramblings, but allow you to take a few deep breaths to relax. 

 

[Logosone]

21 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Not a snippet of mention from you on the Patriot Prayer who are no stranger to violence in Portland and link to many racist attacks. How typical of Trump's supporters.  

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer

It's true, the presence of Patriot Prayer has radicalised the oldest Antifa Group in the United states, Rose City Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

 

The presence of Patriot Prayer, who just had one member shot dead, has created a hyper ANTIFA on steroids so to speak, and led this Antifa group to become extremely aggressive in Portland.

 

It's true that this antagonism contributed to electrify the base of Rose City Antifa in Portland. But to deny that it is Rose City Antifa that are at the core of Portland's problems is to be disingenous in the extreme.

[Logosone]

20 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Dems have denounced the violence.

Trump has the authority to fix it but refuses to do so. He even calls the far right vigilantes great patriots.

 

As usual, he creates chaos, blames everyone else. If he cannot fix it then voting for him will not fix it, why is he saying this is what it will be like under biden when this is what it is under trump.

 

This is trumps america, maga.

Look, the people who re-introduced violence into political discourse were the left, BLM, Antifa and their Democrat apologists. It was not Trump, not the right wing, they did not cause massive nation-wide city destructions like in Portland, the BLM, Antifa and their Democrat apologists caused this.

 

It is of course a bare-faced lie to claim that Trump refuses to fix it, rather he tried many times, to get the police force in Washington which was refused by the mayor, to send troops to Chicago, which was refused by the Democrat mayor, to send troops to Portland which was sabotaged by the mayor.

 

So the reason Trump can not fight the anarchists, Antifa and BLM all out is because the Democrat mayors sabotage him time and time again. So every reason to vote for Trump en massse and send a clear message to the Democrat mayors that their enabling of leftist extremism is not wanted.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

If anyone is reponsible for Portland it is Biden and Antifa.

 

 

 

Rather than opinion, provide credible sources, otherwise one assumes all you're doing is repeating trump propaganda messaging. In the bigger picture, countering trump's misinformation...

 

A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator. Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by simple1

[RichardColeman]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

"I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same," Biden said in a statement, adding that "we must not become a country at war with ourselves."

I guess Biden wont be more specific for fear of losing the black vote !

[riclag]

24 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

Faux News , Tucker and Chump are at Fault for flaming this <deleted>, should all be replaced immediately and Closed down 

Grow up! Sticks and stones

Edited August 31, 2020 by riclag

[Sujo]

31 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Look, the people who re-introduced violence into political discourse were the left, BLM, Antifa and their Democrat apologists. It was not Trump, not the right wing, they did not cause massive nation-wide city destructions like in Portland, the BLM, Antifa and their Democrat apologists caused this.

 

It is of course a bare-faced lie to claim that Trump refuses to fix it, rather he tried many times, to get the police force in Washington which was refused by the mayor, to send troops to Chicago, which was refused by the Democrat mayor, to send troops to Portland which was sabotaged by the mayor.

 

So the reason Trump can not fight the anarchists, Antifa and BLM all out is because the Democrat mayors sabotage him time and time again. So every reason to vote for Trump en massse and send a clear message to the Democrat mayors that their enabling of leftist extremism is not wanted.

He has other ways to fix it, but refuses to do so.

 

Insurrection Act is but one avenue he has.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Sujo

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He has other ways to fix it, but refuses to do so.

 

Insurrection Act is but one avenue he has.

Trump has every right to send federal troops to cities like Portland in law, that's not the issue. 

 

The issue is that these cities then refuse to co-operate with federal troops, even start legal actions against federal troops with the aim of getting them to leave and demonise federal troops who risk their lives to restore order in the Democrat cities which the Democrat mayors can not do.

 

In an ideal world there would be co-operation between the city and the federal authorities with the aim of combatting the anarchists, Antifa, BLM and other extremists that are causing the destruction.

 

However, Democrat mayors, blinded by their hatred of Trump, refuse to co-operate with federal authorities to restore order, even when it is plain that the Democrat mayors can not restore order.

 

Only a clear mandate in the elections for Trump can remedy this, and thankfully we see Trump has mounted a great catch-up in the polls, so there is hope that Trump will be re-elected.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It's true, the presence of Patriot Prayer has radicalised the oldest Antifa Group in the United states, Rose City Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

 

The presence of Patriot Prayer, who just had one member shot dead, has created a hyper ANTIFA on steroids so to speak, and led this Antifa group to become extremely aggressive in Portland.

 

It's true that this antagonism contributed to electrify the base of Rose City Antifa in Portland. But to deny that it is Rose City Antifa that are at the core of Portland's problems is to be disingenous in the extreme.

I see you are on your ANTIFA soap box again.

 

ANTIFA Anti Fascists, count me in.

 

 

[MaxYakov]

How to lose an election 101: Make statements like this one in the face of easily available evidence to the absolute contrary:

 

"What does President Trump think will happen when he continues to insist on fanning the flames of hate and division in our society and using the politics of fear to whip up his supporters? He is recklessly encouraging violence," the former vice president added."

 

I predict a Trump landslide based on items like the above from Biden. I say this is not exactly rocket science.

 

I also say: Come on, Man! 

Edited August 31, 2020 by MaxYakov

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, MaxYakov said:

How to lose an election 101: Make statements like this one in the face of easily available evidence to the absolute contrary:

 

"What does President Trump think will happen when he continues to insist on fanning the flames of hate and division in our society and using the politics of fear to whip up his supporters? He is recklessly encouraging violence," the former vice president added."

 

I predict a Trump landslide based on items like the above from Biden.

It really is very silly of Biden to make stupid comments like this, when it is clear as crystal who is causing the violence in Portland, the oldest ANTIFA group Rose City Antifa, leftists BLM supporters and all Democrat apologists who encourage this violence.

 

Very hypocritical of Biden, dishonest and just a transparent lie.

[candide]

5 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Actually, more unarmed white people are killed by cops than blacks each year. 

I guess you don't have any source to back this claim.

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

I guess you don't have any source to back this claim.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

 

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883