Trump visits Kenosha, not to urge racial healing but to back police

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

So that legitimizes the police shooting him in the back at point blank range?

He also had a knife. Refused to drop the knife. Had a cop in a headlock. Was tased twice. Shook free and was going for something in the floorboard of his car, with children inside. It’s not even clear if he was allowed to have those kids in the first place. 
 

Should the cops let him take off? 

[johnnybangkok]

As many of you here will know, I have gone on previous threads arguing vehemently for BLM and the protest movement but having investigated these matters further, I am going to do something that no Trump fans ever does and admit I may have got this wrong.

The situation regarding Jacob Blake is one that I don't think the BLM movement should be defending at all; an unsavoury character with a restraining order out on him, resisting arrest and trying to get into a car (not even his) with 3 children in the back. Tasered twice and going for a knife, the shooting was justified. The problem though is the optics; 7 shots being fired at point blank range!! I mean, talk about overkill.  

My view on Kyle Rittenhouse has also changed, having come out strongly against him in previous threads, I have watched a video from prominent Winconsin lawyer Robert Barnes who throws some very important light on the LEGAL aspects of this situation. Barnes himself is right leaning BUT is also a civil rights advocate and being from Winconsin, a legal expert in their law.

He addresses all of the issues to include travelling over state lines, illegal possesion of a firearm and of course the self-defence aspect.

Like it or not, Winconsin law heavily favors Rittenhouse and will likely mean his aquital. You can argue what was a 17 year old with a gun even doing on the streets that night (and I would say this again goes to the hearts of these matters)  but when you look at the video evidence and match it to Winconsin law, it's pretty much an open and shut case of self-defence (again hands up, I got this wrong).

We all need to educate ourselves a bit more on these matters and (like I did) not jump to immediate conclusions just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative. Both sides of this situation are fanning the flames and although I DO NOT agree with how Trump is handling all of this (As POTUS he needs to be de-escalating and all you Trump fans who blindly follow him no matter what he does or says have to hold him accountable more for this), BLM are not helping their cause by choosing battles like Jacob Blake and Kyle Rittenhouse. The looters and the hooligan element are now doing so much damage to the BLM cause (legitimate in so many other ways), they are literally handing Trump a victory he in no way deserves.   

 

For those interested, the video I'm talking about is on Youtube and titled 'Kyle Rittenhouse JUSTIFIED? Lawyers explain'. It's a bit long but worth the watch and throws vital legal light in an unsunsational and objective way.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

The gun was NOT illegal and it was NOT carried across state lines. That’s an open carry state as well. 

He wasn’t old enough to carry ‘open’ or otherwise.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

He addresses all of the issues to include travelling over state lines, illegal possesion of a firearm and of course the self-defence aspect.

Been trying to tell you this for days but you never listen to any of if. Glad you’ve seen the light. 
 

PS the gun never crossed state lines. 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

He was at the house of the woman he sexually assaulted, she had a restraining order out on him, and he had her keys and wouldn’t give them back. 
 

Be honest in your posts amigo, he wasn’t shot because of his rap sheet. 

He was there to break up a domestic dispute. That was one of many versions. Officers said he tried to steal a vehicle. Officers also claimed he tried to reach for something in the car. His rap sheet was included for justification to the public that he is a bad character. What's your version to shot someone 7 times in the back.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

He wasn’t old enough to carry ‘open’ or otherwise.

 

You can own an AR 15 at 17 years of age. 

[polpott]

Just now, Mama Noodle said:

He also had a knife. Refused to drop the knife. Had a cop in a headlock. Was tased twice. Shook free and was going for something in the floorboard of his car, with children inside. It’s not even clear if he was allowed to have those kids in the first place. 
 

Should the cops let him take off? 

No evidence that the knife was in his hand, watch the video. Doesn't justify shooting him in the back at point blank range, multiple times. Well maybe in America, in any other civilized country the cop would be up on a murder charge.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

He was there to break up a domestic dispute. That was one of many versions. Officers said he tried to steal a vehicle. Officers also claimed he tried to reach for something in the car. His rap sheet was included for justification to the public that he is a bad character. What's your version to shot someone 7 times in the back.

No, all of that is “spin” and what I posted are the facts. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

You can own an AR 15 at 17 years of age. 

But not carry it in a public place.

[johnnybangkok]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Been trying to tell you this for days but you never listen to any of if. Glad you’ve seen the light. 
 

PS the gun never crossed state lines. 

You never listen to ANY opposing view Mama so maybe take a leaf out of my book before you start getting all sanctimonious,

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

You can own an AR 15 at 17 years of age. 

Madness.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

You never listen to ANY opposing view Mama so maybe take a leaf out of my book before you start getting all sanctimonious,

I don’t have to do anything because I’ve been consistently right about all of these issues from day one. Everyone else has been doing their level best to spin the facts instead of being objective. 
 

That’s the good part of being right, I get to be sanctimonious. 

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Madness.

Freedom is a hard concept for subjects to understand but it still exists in some places. 
 

Like America. 

[spidermike007]

It is not within this man to urge healing, create unity, heal divisions, support blacks or any minority, or be dignified. Just not who he is. 

 

He sows discord and hatred wherever he goes, and with whatever he says. 

 

History will regard him as 44, not 45. The 44th worst ever. No worries. Only a few months to go before his ultimate humiliation. Can't wait for that. See ya Don! 

 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

No, all of that is “spin” and what I posted are the facts. 

Trump also believe in that belief but he has a mental handicap. Whats yours. 

[polpott]

9 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

You can own an AR 15 at 17 years of age. 

18 in most states. Here are the facts on AR15s

 

 

[watthong]

17 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

We all need to educate ourselves a bit more on these matters and (like I did) not jump to immediate conclusions just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative. Both sides of this situation are fanning the flames and although I DO NOT agree with how Trump is handling all of this (As POTUS he needs to be de-escalating and all you Trump fans who blindly follow him no matter what he does or says have to hold him accountable more for this), BLM are not helping their cause by choosing battles like Jacob Blake and Kyle Rittenhouse. The looters and the hooligan element are now doing so much damage to the BLM cause (legitimate in so many other ways), they are literally handing Trump a victory he in no way deserves.   

 

For those interested, the video I'm talking about is on Youtube and titled 'Kyle Rittenhouse JUSTIFIED? Lawyers explain'. It's a bit long but worth the watch and throws vital legal light in an unsunsational and objective way.

 

Your effort of self-educating is laudable but if part of it consisted of watching the video clip you are touting then you're defeating your own purpose. Keep on watching the likes of such video (tons of them out there - hint: they all have moniker clearly stating their stance) and soon you'll be in tune with the MAGA crowd. 

 

Juvenile minds are malleable - just like that of the teenage shooter/murderer Kyle Rittenhouse.

One tip: If you can't tell what's right and what's wrong - or in your own words what's "unsunsational and objective" - then look inward, not outward. Good luck,

[Mama Noodle]

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

18 in most states. Here are the facts on AR15s

Trust me, I’m an expert already. 

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

You mean alleged rapist who was at the house of his victim, who was the one that called the cops. 
 

Trump should NOT meet with Blake. 
 

 

He is not an alleged rapist. Stop lying.

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Trust me, I’m an expert already. 

Clearly not if you think that the legal age of ownership is 17.

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

A sitting President should not have to negotiate with criminals or domestic, well-funded terrorists.

They are usually part of his admin

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, polpott said:

Clearly not if you think that the legal age of ownership is 17.

That’s the thing, you think not being able to BUY one from a shop unless you are 18 means that you have to be 18 to OWN one - and that’s not true. 
 

Clearly, because you had to watch a garbage YouTube vid (did you even look at the ratio or the comments) to understand anything, it might be better for you to sit this one out. 

[Mama Noodle]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He is not an alleged rapist. Stop lying.

Sexual Assault with With Domestic Abuse as a modifier, among other things, if you really need us to be specific.  

Edited September 2, 2020 by Mama Noodle

[DefaultName]

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Im gonna be here posting the truth and facts as I deem necessary, and those are facts. 
 

He was at the house of the woman he allegedly sexually assaulted, the woman who had a restraining order out on him, the cops knew this, tried to arrest him. He resisted. Fought with the cops. Had one in a headlock. Was tased twice. Had a knife. Refused to drop the knife. Went to his car and reached into the floorboard, and was shot multiple times for his trouble. 
 

Trump should NEVER meet with or give time to this individual.

I grew up in a non-gun culture (UK) but even I am wondering at what point the police were supposed to shoot him?

When he resisted legitimate arrest?

When he pulled a knife?

When he threatened police with it?

When he refused to drop it?

When he dived into the footwell of his car for an unknown weapon?

When he came back out with that weapon?

When he attacked police with it?

 

IMO, they shot at the right time.  What I don't understand is why 7 bullets from zero range?  Aren't police trained better than that?

 

I also don't understand the riots over lowlife criminals who prey mainly on they're own colour.  Their communities are better off without them.

[simple1]

25 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

31 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

If you can own it legally, you can carry it legally. It’s incorrect to state that he was carrying an illegal gun and took it across state lines. 

 

Don't know why, but you keep on playing deceitful games. The guy was not licensed to open carry the weapon in Wisconsin.  

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, DefaultName said:

IMO, they shot at the right time.  What I don't understand is why 7 bullets from zero range?  Aren't police trained better than that?

Dunno what you mean by that. At that point of escalation they are trained to aim for center mass until the threat is  neutralized. If you’re still trying to be a threat after multiple shots you’re gonna get more. 

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Don't know why, but you keep on playing deceitful games. The guy was not licensed to open carry the weapon in Wisconsin.  

Dunno why you even bother trying to reply to me when you don’t know what you’re talking about. 

You do not need a license to open carry in Wisconsin. 

[RoadWarrior371]

45 minutes ago, polpott said:

I do tend to agree with you that its a rich vs poor issue rather than black vs white but the reason that black Americans tend to be over represented in the poor section is lack of decent schools/education and lack of job opportunities which brings us back to systematic racism in the US.

'What if I told you everything you knew was a lie?'  What if the Democrats have been selling themselves as the saviors for the blacks, and pocketing the funds for 50 years.  What if Bill DeBlasio's wife was given $900M for black education in New York, and nobody can determine where the money went?  Why is Baltimore the TOP 5 in the country in per pupil spending, but Zero graduates were proficient in math?  C'mon man, turn off CNN and take the RED PILL.  ????

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, Enzian said:

The problem here is that this more an editorial or opinion piece than a work of reporting. I've been trying to find a balanced non-biased news site or two to look at, in the middle, and it's getting harder and harder. Reuters and AP almost make it sometimes, and then something like this appears. And it's not like I don't listen to the left; because of my background I have hundreds of people I know who are are far left as it gets, absolute antifa. A guy I know once looked at us and said the only good cop is a dead cop. OK with me if he feels that way. I also read Breitbart. Where do we go?

I read both sides at this site: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Dunno why you even bother trying to reply to me when you don’t know what you’re talking about. 

You do not need a license to open carry in Wisconsin. 

Again you're being deceitful.

 

 In Wisconsin open carry is legal for any person that is 18 years or older and not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state and federal laws.

 

https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/wisconsin-gun-laws/#:~:text=There are no firearm registration,under state and federal laws.