UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[kingdong]

51 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 So what did you mean by saying to @Rookiescot  "hope you like curried goat. Because it won't be too long before it replaces haggis as your national dish?"

hoots mon theres a moose loose aboot this hoose.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

They are not a country like the UK, we are unique, 4 countries within a country.

Oh we are unique all right.

The UK is two countries, one principality and one province within a union. 

The EU is now 27 countries within a union.

Was someone from say Germany, able to dictate what the terms of the referendum should be as you are attempting to do? Did someone from Spain try to tell us what the question should be?

Also did you have to get permission from Brussels in order to hold a referendum?

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

hoots mon theres a moose loose aboot this hoose.

Just eat your jellied eels and give us all peace.

Theres a good chap.

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'd suggest that it's pretty long odds-on that the overwhelming majority of the 1.2 million in the EU would have voted remain. As for the others, less clear.

Would they vote the same way the next time around?

I suspect not.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

hoots mon theres a moose loose aboot this hoose.

 There's a lot loose aboot this hoose. 

[mommysboy]

29 minutes ago, robblok said:

Are Scots not Brits too.. so there goes your anti Brit remark. I am anti Brexit so i would not mind the UK breaking apart because of this decision. Your pro Brexit so you see things differently.

 

I can't say that I have more a problem with Brits then other nationalities. The only remark i always make about Brits is that they seem to have a hard time not drinking. (But that could be because my sample size) My past experiences with Brits was actually quite good on camping's and such. But they were total alcoholics. Even carried a girl away that drank so much that she tried to pee standing and fell over not to wake up (ended up in a hospital for a delirium). 

 

Then you read all the protests when there is an alcohol ban many of whom are Brits. Hence my only remark about Brits and alcohol. But other then that can't think of a negative thing about them. There are idiot Dutch and idiot Brits depends on who you meet.

 

By deduction then can we safely say you are anti-English, because they are drunks?

 

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh we are unique all right.

The UK is two countries, one principality and one province within a union. 

The EU is now 27 countries within a union.

Was someone from say Germany, able to dictate what the terms of the referendum should be as you are attempting to do? Did someone from Spain try to tell us what the question should be?

Also did you have to get permission from Brussels in order to hold a referendum?

Why are you so upset about making the rules fairer to both sides, it is as if you do think there is an advantage to the SNP the way it is set up at the moment. Why are you so againgst playing on a level playing field, I suggest you do know you have an advantage and that is why you wish the rules to remain the same.

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Vogie, Am I correct in assuming that you think that overseas Scots should be allowed to vote in any forthcoming referendum on Scottish independence?

 

is it at all clear what a Scot is?

 

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why are you so upset about making the rules fairer to both sides, it is as if you do think there is an advantage to the SNP the way it is set up at the moment. Why are you so againgst playing on a level playing field, I suggest you do know you have an advantage and that is why you wish the rules to remain the same.

You are not about making things fairer. 

You are about gaming the vote in order to advantage the side which you happen to agree with. Even though all you Brexiteers claim you dont care if Scotland leaves.

But you do care dont you. You are worried that without the rest of the UK England will simply cease to be important. You equate England with the UK. England is the UK. Somehow England owns the rest of the nations in the UK because that is the natural order of things. 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are not about making things fairer. 

You are about gaming the vote in order to advantage the side which you happen to agree with. Even though all you Brexiteers claim you dont care if Scotland leaves.

But you do care dont you. You are worried that without the rest of the UK England will simply cease to be important. You equate England with the UK. England is the UK. Somehow England owns the rest of the nations in the UK because that is the natural order of things. 

I care but not for the reasons you say.

 

Now it's way past my beer time.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are not about making things fairer. 

You are about gaming the vote in order to advantage the side which you happen to agree with. Even though all you Brexiteers claim you dont care if Scotland leaves.

But you do care dont you. You are worried that without the rest of the UK England will simply cease to be important. You equate England with the UK. England is the UK. Somehow England owns the rest of the nations in the UK because that is the natural order of things. 

I have never ever what-so-ever claimed that I am not bothered if Scotland leaves, that is you inventing a rhetoric to suit your agenda, however I wouldn't give a rats tail if all the Scots Nationalists went and were re-housed on the island of Benbecula.

When you start to make things up rookie, you are a lost cause, but of course if you can show me where I have said that, I will stand the Drop of York.

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

I have never ever what-so-ever claimed that I am not bothered if Scotland leaves, that is you inventing a rhetoric to suit your agenda, however I wouldn't give a rats tail if all the Scots Nationalists went and were re-housed on the island of Benbecula.

When you start to make things up rookie, you are a lost cause, but of course if you can show me where I have said that, I will stand the Drop of York.

Would be easier to move the unionists.

Theres far less of them ????

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I care but not for the reasons you say.

 

Now it's way past my beer time.

Oh do pray tell why you want to keep Scotland in the union.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

They are not a country like the UK, we are unique, 4 countries within a country.

You mean just like how the EU is formed from multiple countries.... 

 

Come on give in he had you with his argument no way to counter it. 

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

You mean just like how the EU is formed from multiple countries.... 

 

Come on give in he had you with his argument no way to counter it. 

The EU cannot agree between themselves, Boris can make his own decisions and he has, we leave with no deal in January. Well done Boris, rejoice.

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

The EU cannot agree between themselves, Boris can make his own decisions and he has, we leave with no deal in January. Well done Boris, rejoice.

Indeed, and more good news - another fantastic trade deal in the bag! This Brexit lark is going spiffingly well, what! 

 

The United Kingdom and Côte d’Ivoire sign Economic Partnership Agreement

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Indeed, and more good news - another fantastic trade deal in the bag! This Brexit lark is going spiffingly well, what! 

 

The United Kingdom and Côte d’Ivoire sign Economic Partnership Agreement

Sometimes RR it is better to stand up to a bully than to let him kick the living daylights out of you. The EU have not negotiated in good faith from day 1, they have tried to take the mickey and you have Macron saying he still wants total access to the UKs waters, you ok with that. Merkal said "but we know that Great Britain aims for a certain measure of independence, that it is no longer member of the European Union." :Reuters.

 

Are these people on the same planet as the rest of us, these are the people we are dealing with and have been fobbed off now for 4 years, enough is enough. Good luck if you ever have to share a bed with people. Three cheers for Boris.

[RuamRudy]

45 minutes ago, vogie said:

Sometimes RR it is better to stand up to a bully than to let him kick the living daylights out of you. The EU have not negotiated in good faith from day 1, they have tried to take the mickey and you have Macron saying he still wants total access to the UKs waters, you ok with that. Merkal said "but we know that Great Britain aims for a certain measure of independence, that it is no longer member of the European Union." :Reuters.

 

Are these people on the same planet as the rest of us, these are the people we are dealing with and have been fobbed off now for 4 years, enough is enough. Good luck if you ever have to share a bed with people. Three cheers for Boris.

I agree with your first sentence wholeheartedly - that's why I want my country out of the UK. 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with your first sentence wholeheartedly - that's why I want my country out of the UK. 

What can I say but the rest of your country does not agree with you.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The EU cannot agree between themselves, Boris can make his own decisions and he has, we leave with no deal in January. Well done Boris, rejoice.

Boris will deliver a press conference at 2200hrs (1600hrs UK)

[RayC]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Sometimes RR it is better to stand up to a bully than to let him kick the living daylights out of you. The EU have not negotiated in good faith from day 1, they have tried to take the mickey and you have Macron saying he still wants total access to the UKs waters, you ok with that. Merkal said "but we know that Great Britain aims for a certain measure of independence, that it is no longer member of the European Union." :Reuters.

 

Are these people on the same planet as the rest of us, these are the people we are dealing with and have been fobbed off now for 4 years, enough is enough. Good luck if you ever have to share a bed with people. Three cheers for Boris.

And you conveniently forget Johnson's demand that the EU grant the UK access to the single market without any curbs on state aid. Something no EU member state enjoys.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.

 

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

What can I say but the rest of your country does not agree with you.

I think you will find that quite a lot of his country, and a fair number from south of the border, do actually agree with him.

 

PH

[mommysboy]

Ultimately, we can all agree that it's up to Scotland and that it's best done quickly if needs be.

 

Personally, whilst the break up of the UK would be rather sad, I do think England will be the biggest benefactor so I am fairly sanguine over the issue. 

 

If independence is what is wanted, it must be understood independence is what they will get.  it's actually quite a straightforward arrangement: Scotland will be on WTO trading status, as will the UK, and there is no need for a trade deal as Scotland would shortly be in the EU, whereupon a hard border would very necessarily be needed to prevent illegal immigrants from the EU. 

 

Depending on how things go there is no reason why we can not be cordial as we currently are to most foreign nations.  it's up to Scotland to arrange their own defence, currency, etc.  

[evadgib]

40 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Ultimately, we can all agree that it's up to Scotland and that it's best done quickly if needs be.

 

Personally, whilst the break up of the UK would be rather sad, I do think England will be the biggest benefactor so I am fairly sanguine over the issue. 

 

If independence is what is wanted, it must be understood independence is what they will get.  it's actually quite a straightforward arrangement: Scotland will be on WTO trading status, as will the UK, and there is no need for a trade deal as Scotland would shortly be in the EU, whereupon a hard border would very necessarily be needed to prevent illegal immigrants from the EU. 

 

Depending on how things go there is no reason why we can not be cordial as we currently are to most foreign nations.  it's up to Scotland to arrange their own defence, currency, etc.  

Given how long it's taken ???????? to extract itself from the ???????? I can't see this happening for a very long time.

[kingdong]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

So what do you think he meant by his  curried goat instead of haggis remark?

If you are unable to grasp the academic concept of the remark it is obviously pointless attempting to explain to you.

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with your first sentence wholeheartedly - that's why I want my country out of the UK. 

Must have got the flavour getting the living daylights kicked out of you,the bold barnier won,t be taking any prisoners

[RuamRudy]

51 minutes ago, kingdong said:

If you are unable to grasp the academic concept of the remark it is obviously pointless attempting to explain to you.

I think any suggestion that there was academic concept in the statement is a bit of a stretch. 

 

What there was, was another example of that casual racism we see so frequently from certain quarters, then a cowardly refusal to acknowledge it, not that that's surprising, as cowardice is also a typical trait of said casual racists. 

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, rott said:

A referendum in Scotland and the same in Northern Ireland. 

Try looking at a proper calendar.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Try looking at a proper calendar.

Only calendar he has is from 1690.